kellerpj
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/05 00:53:59
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Actually, paying for "Addwords" is the way to get it at the top of Google's search list.
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/05 01:33:13
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mwmcbroom If the desire is to have the product's name consistently at the top of a google search list, the one sure-fire way to do it is to invent a name. As some of y'all have tried doing so far. I don't like any of them though. Inventing words is not an easy task.
Actually listings Bandlab as a Google Music Production Business would top the search engines over addwords FREE.
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/05 01:34:19
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/05 01:35:51
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☄ Helpfulby Joon kim 2018/03/05 14:46:57
What about Cake? Everyone loves Cake right?
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/05 03:25:50
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I second Project5 V3.
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☄ Helpfulby Joon kim 2018/03/05 14:47:26
They are probably brainstorming to find names, and not sure they look here. But I like Phoenix, as mentioned earlier. I guess it would suit Phoen1xPJ well
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/05 14:14:52
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Has "Sonic Artistry" been suggested ?
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/05 17:09:28
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Why not call It Eat It Well yer had your Cake!!
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2018/03/06 04:38:38
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 05:00:53
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Changing the name of Sonar would be like Chevy buying Ford and calling them Klutzmobiles. It is totally nuts. BandLab is and should always be the parent name, but the product names would maintain a loyal user base with appropriate version names etc as things move forward. By the way, some of the names thrown out here illustrate why none of those people are running software companies. geesh.
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 05:02:58
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One things for sure. None of us have careers in product branding on the horizon. All of these are awful And yes I've read them all.....
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 05:07:52
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Sonar was the new name, it was Cakewalk before, so it's been changed before for marketing reasons. I don't mind the clean slate, I think it makes some sense. If you google Sonar, there is plenty of dirt, some of it out of date dirt. Videos and instructions are out of date.
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 05:28:04
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kellerpj Actually, paying for "Addwords" is the way to get it at the top of Google's search list.
kellerpj Actually, paying for "Addwords" is the way to get it at the top of Google's search list.
Why pay the extortionate fee for AdWords (upwards of $5-$10 minimum per click just for one visitor to the site) when you could simply have a unique name that be at the top of organic results when people Google it? I presume you're talking about having the new DAW's website come to the top of results when people Google the new name. Or are you talking about it being at the top of results when people Google "DAW"? Well if you Google "DAW" right now, no particular DAW is anywhere near the top of the results. In fact no DAW even makes the first five pages of results - not even Pro Tools. What you do have on the first page (the only page that matters) is mostly articles about DAW's. So for whatever reason, no DAW manufacturer has ever managed to achieve SEO for that search term. In fact it seems the major DAW manufacturers have failed to achieve any kind of good SEO for any search term except the actual names of their DAW's. Even Googling "Digital Audio Workstation" failed to return Pro Tools as a result - the only 2 DAW's for that search term (which I can't imagine gets many searches) are Tracktion and Ardour. The only way DAW manufacturers are getting to the top of Google is through Google's brand carousels. These generally appear when you search for "best" something, or add a qualifier like "software." So if you search for "Best DAW" or "DAW software," Google will display a carousel of the major brands at the top. Surprisingly enough, Sonar actually does OK here, appearing 5th in line in the carousel for "DAW software" and 3rd in line for "best DAW". I haven't seen any AdWord ads for any DAW manufacturers, which suggests to me that the avenue has already been explored by DAW marketers and abandoned as ineffective. AdWords aren't really that effective in many cases - it really depends on the industry. I know I've spent small fortunes on them for my business without much success. The main problem is that people tend to avoid search engine ads like the plague. I know I do - if I search for something and some ads appear at the top of the results, I just ignore them and go straight to the organic results.
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 06:24:34
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 13:28:50
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sharke Or are you talking about it being at the top of results when people Google "DAW"? Well if you Google "DAW" right now, no particular DAW is anywhere near the top of the results. In fact no DAW even makes the first five pages of results - not even Pro Tools. What you do have on the first page (the only page that matters) is mostly articles about DAW's. So for whatever reason, no DAW manufacturer has ever managed to achieve SEO for that search term.
Given that most folks today turn to Google (or other search engines) when they are first looking into a new topic, it appears that all of the DAW companies have dropped the ball in this area. I started thinking about how someone who is new to this would start their search. They probably have no idea what a "DAW" is, but they know what they want to do. So I did a search for "audio recording" - and the first result is "Online Voice Recorder" (hardley what you would call a DAW by rather a simple web based voice recorder) followed by "Audacity", followed by how-to articles. If you put in "record music on my computer" you also get a ton of "how to" articles, but not a single DAW on the first few pages (except for Audacity). Other generic recording searches reveal similar results. Just this cursory look at this area appears to show that there is a huge potential marketing area that has been completely overlooked by any of the DAW companies. Seeing as Audacity is open source and not really backed by commercial marketing resources, it is interesting this is the one DAW that shows up most often (although even it is not typically that high on the results list). One would think that SEO of your product would be a prime interest to these companies. In the past, there had been a ton of discussion about how Cakewalk didn't market SONAR very well. Based on these generic audio recording searches, it would appear no one is doing a very good job.
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 16:15:53
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daryl1968 Nigel
Thought you'd go for Eric or Acacia
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 16:18:41
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daryl1968 Nigel
Thought you'd go for Eric or Acacia
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 16:24:55
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sharke One things for sure. None of us have careers in product branding on the horizon. All of these are awful And yes I've read them all.....
...and thanks for reading them all for me. (Really! I mean that!) Another thing I missed by not reading the whole thread... Why would SONAR need to be renamed at all? There was a bit of a headslap back when it went from Cakewalk to SONAR, but I've gotten over it. Now, "SONAR" has a lot of years of traction and mindshare with a passionate user base. Why on earth would you want to squander all that valuable existing branding by doing some stupid "New Coke" thing? Really?!
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 16:29:16
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Studioguy1 Changing the name of Sonar would be like Chevy buying Ford and calling them Klutzmobiles. It is totally nuts. BandLab is and should always be the parent name, but the product names would maintain a loyal user base with appropriate version names etc as things move forward. By the way, some of the names thrown out here illustrate why none of those people are running software companies. geesh.
...and this would be further evidence that I didn't read the whole thread. You had already said what I said. That being said...I still like SPlat. (Thanks Craig!)
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 21:06:03
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MandolinPicker Given that most folks today turn to Google (or other search engines) when they are first looking into a new topic, it appears that all of the DAW companies have dropped the ball in this area. I started thinking about how someone who is new to this would start their search. They probably have no idea what a "DAW" is, but they know what they want to do. So I did a search for "audio recording" - and the first result is "Online Voice Recorder" (hardley what you would call a DAW by rather a simple web based voice recorder) followed by "Audacity", followed by how-to articles. If you put in "record music on my computer" you also get a ton of "how to" articles, but not a single DAW on the first few pages (except for Audacity). Other generic recording searches reveal similar results.
You might find better results from "produce music On computer" - but you still don't get products on the first page. Just articles that lump all the DAWs together. Or which computers are best for producing music. Or the 12 best programs for producing music - from 5 years ago... It is almost like you can only find these things if you already know about them.
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/06 21:11:02
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dantarbill
sharke One things for sure. None of us have careers in product branding on the horizon. All of these are awful And yes I've read them all.....
...and thanks for reading them all for me. (Really! I mean that!) Another thing I missed by not reading the whole thread... Why would SONAR need to be renamed at all? There was a bit of a headslap back when it went from Cakewalk to SONAR, but I've gotten over it. Now, "SONAR" has a lot of years of traction and mindshare with a passionate user base. Why on earth would you want to squander all that valuable existing branding by doing some stupid "New Coke" thing? Really?!
Because legal reasons. Because in the industry, if you ask anyone about DAWs, they all purposely never mention SONAR (unless you've managed to ask a SONAR user). It's always the same "Big Three": Pro Tools, Logic, and Cubase. After that all the other DAWs may or may not get mentioned except SONAR. SONAR has a stigma, somehow, in the rest of the industry. So if we want the new product to get noticed, move forward and attract new, younger, fresher users, we need to lose the baggage that SONAR as a name has picked up.
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Re: Sonar's new name
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/07 08:28:04
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/07 10:10:23
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I quite like Pulse! Or Pulsar...
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Jarsve What about Cake? Everyone loves Cake right?
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2018/03/07 11:54:53
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Re: Sonar's new name
2018/03/08 02:59:41
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Ok , Cant resist ......... BANDOR - Bandlab Digital Audio Workstation :)
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Re: Sonar's new name
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