John


This is not aimed at anyone in particular. But this place is full of great guys and gals. I like to think we are a somewhat tolerant group. I do believe that Ben has some personal problems that we can deal with. I am the most guilty of being harsh with Ben I don't like misinformation being spread. I think its a bad thing to let pass.  Now I think we are piling on. Ganging up on him and I don't believe he deserves that. You forum members have been extremely kind to me through the years. I consider you all to be a part of my family to a degree. I ask that we let it go now. Let Ben be. He has not done such awful things that we need to make him feel so unwelcome.

We know him. We know what to expect from him. Therefore we can deal with it in a kind and thoughtful manor.

Some of you may feel that I am going too far here. However, in good conscious I have to speak out. Let his apology end it. Let us be remembered as the kind of people we really are.

Looking back this morning, I was glad I refrained from further commenting last night. 


To be honest, however, I don't think I was zen enough to consider accepting an apology - whatever that means (who am I to go on accepting or refusing apologies, after all). Not yet. 


There's still a certain amount of discomfort when I read Ben's posts, but I think your post just gave me the little friendly poke in the ribs I needed to call my attention elsewhere and just put it all back into perspective, to just let go of it. 


So thanks for counterbalancing that, John. 

To present a flip-side to all this: I think anyone who goes stomping around calling other people the uneducated masses and yobs and all of that other nonsense can go and blow it out of their hole. Especially when said self-proclaimed "academic" can't spell, can't form a coherent argument, and self evidently doesn't know what the hell they're talking about in the subject area they so overbearingly claim to be a "master" of. I realise this doesn't chime with the bonhomie of the latter part of this thread, but you know, I am only human, and a lumpen prole at that. If Ben wants to act like a sane and civilised person, then that's fine. If he doesn't, then absolutely screw him in the ear.

Rain I just read your post.  Fantastic! You do have a way with words. I thank you for your insight into what I was trying to say. But you said it a whole lot better. Well done again.

John T


To present a flip-side to all this: I think anyone who goes stomping around calling other people the uneducated masses and yobs and all of that other nonsense can go and blow it out of their hole. Especially when said self-proclaimed "academic" can't spell, can't form a coherent argument, and self evidently doesn't know what the hell they're talking about in the subject area they so overbearingly claim to be a "master" of. I realise this doesn't chime with the bonhomie of the latter part of this thread, but you know, I am only human, and a lumpen prole at that. If Ben wants to act like a sane and civilised person, then that's fine. If he doesn't, then absolutely screw him in the ear.
 ,john,
.your better than that,we should be joining together to make shure cakewalk dont
 start getting sloppy or gready, (IT HAPPENS)to companys even with the best intentions.
not taking others opinions to heart, and rippin them. where all musicians, i think
i remember when this forum was a place i would come to get deals, help, share music and make friends
now it seems to be eveyones is a critic .
 ZEN master said it best, i too needed to step away and see that??
il make bronwies for everyone, and we can all sit around and write a song about it.
 call it
  I like cake, but il still eat brownies .
 

promusic27:
To forgive is one of the best cancer treatments out there...
　
well said Brazil dude;
being angry, vindictive, spiteful, revengeful is terrible for your immune system.
 
Obrigado

FRED!

John


This is not aimed at anyone in particular. But this place is full of great guys and gals. I like to think we are a somewhat tolerant group. I do believe that Ben has some personal problems that we can deal with. I am the most guilty of being harsh with Ben I don't like misinformation being spread. I think its a bad thing to let pass.  Now I think we are piling on. Ganging up on him and I don't believe he deserves that. You forum members have been extremely kind to me through the years. I consider you all to be a part of my family to a degree. I ask that we let it go now. Let Ben be. He has not done such awful things that we need to make him feel so unwelcome.

We know him. We know what to expect from him. Therefore we can deal with it in a kind and thoughtful manor.

Some of you may feel that I am going too far here. However, in good conscious I have to speak out. Let his apology end it. Let us be remembered as the kind of people we really are.

 
Who are you, and what have you done with John?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 

Straummy,

Why do you care if he went to the john.

Me know understand.

Like I said in the original thread that prompted this subsequent thread of an apparent apology.  I had no intent of calling Ben out or in any way was my response intended as an insult as I think we, several of us involved in the conversation, were reading the original OPs question as relating to several possible scenarios, and offering up our knowledge to how we saw the question. 

I think the whole thing went south unfortunately and to be honest I've generally never seen the side Ben presented of himself prior to that thread - I've always understood that he considers himself as quite knowledgeable when it comes to audio engineering and just never thought anything of it.  Most of the other stuff I've read from him in the past has been, like many other posters around here, seemingly genuine attempts at assisting others or sharing his knowledge, other posts have been more humorous in nature (of those I've read that is), but generally with little negativity.

Like John, I think bad information repeated, can make things worse for others.  So when I see an answer that makes me ask what or why not, I'll try to correct what I believe to be wrong information, tending to always point to the fact that I could be wrong and would appreciate if someone correct me if I've misunderstood.  "As always - individual mileage may vary" is common ending of any post where I understand I'm providing opinion, not fact, since I by no means consider myself an expert when it comes to recording music; I'm just a musician trying to get better at capturing his craft.

So I'm currently choosing to write this whole indecent off as wrong time wrong place, a bad outcome to what should have been a harmless thread.  I know we certainly all have bad days that we hope don't define us among others, so I going to consider these one of those bad days.  I tend to judge people based upon patterns of behavior and never upon single bad experiences.  I hope Ben's future days have happier endings than this one did.  I awake (given the conditions I have, as I laid out in the original thread) greeting each days as one more with those I love, doing things I enjoy as often as possible. 

I'm not one to preach forgiveness, but as I said I'm also not quick to judge.  I'll see what comes from future interactions.

But for now, there is no lingering ill will from me and I wish Ben future better days. 

Dufrane...party of three!

John T


The actual quote is "a litle learning".

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Wow, the Pope really misspells "little???"  Who knew!
(If there's actually a serious conversation going on somewhere here, then it shouldn't be done here in the basement Coffee House! )

I think Ben is really BOBBY!

I've said my Mea Culpa and I will leave it at that, I put up a whole line of insults that John 20000 posts said to me before I went on the offensive, I said sorrr to the OP for not reading or perhaps misunderstanding is question.

I'm not saying John was wrong or I am right but have a look at the thread and the insults that he was giving to me, before I even started drifinting into overdrive.

Yea I said some dribble, to stir the pot and once again Mea Culpa.

I know I came onto this forum like some cowboy, not knowing much about forum etiqute and I think we all need to understand that and give people some leway.

I think John T and John 20000 posts should think about this more than anyone.

Guess what?  I don't know everything, I never said I did but I did come accross brash and overconfident.

I have my own theories we all do, I just pointed to my marks 89% so I am somewhere in the ball park when it comes to audio ****.
 
Yes I try and help people because when I went to audio school, they kept the formula's or the how to do stuff like it was the formula to lead into gold, or was that Smurfs into gold
 
So Mea Culpa and I will try and stay away from The John and John dectective agency.
 
Christ, I'm trying to read the paper and do other things, more appoinments today and all I do is chat to you guys!!
 
Neb

Hey I said it with a wink, steve so it wasn't a boost or it wasn't suppose to be:  it's just hey I know some ****, and when I say **** I mean ****.

Once again, I do not know everything and have never said I did.

The day you say that is the day you die!

Neb

Qualifications are only really useful if you are going for a job that requires them eg a teaching position. Of course many professions do require them eg a doctor but music and sound engineering does not. I have many qualifications, more than you my friend including a Bachelor degree in Jazz performance. (I must say though that is one qualification that is worth a lot, but even so I have composed hundreds of hours of music for theatre, TV and film and I did not learn any of it in any course. I just had to do it the hard way and keep making mistakes until I figured it all out and what worked and what didn't!)

I am a sound engineering teacher as well and that puts me well above what you know too. The only reason I have made it to that level is because I love doing it and I have a way with explaining things to people, plus it earns a bit of extra cash! But even so I still feel all my best knowledge has just come from experience and sheer persistence. I would rather be like Danny Danzi any day of the week than studied ten courses in sound engineering.

One trend that I observed on a recent documentary on this was that now what is happening is that perspective employers of people are now doing internet searches to see what their perspective employees have posted on line before they hire them. They are checking them out before hand to see what sort of people they really are. It's one thing to present yourself well in a job interview but another being a complete idiot on line. I know for a fact that people have been rejected (and sacked) just on this basis alone.

Maybe it is not fair but interesting none the less. When you post even in the Sonar forum you are not just posting to a tiny group of people here, you are posting to the whole world! Ben how would you feel if you were going for a very good well paid job and they did some searching and came across the conversation that happened the other night. They would not be impressed. You would be dead in the water mate! It is not hard to track down who you are and where you have posted. I did it in minutes.

Watch what you post. If you are nice, pleasant and always positive you will never go wrong. The moment you think you have to be negative about something or a person that is when you need to stop. I love that line 'Step away from the computer' that someone posted recently. That really made me laugh!

If you are going to send a nasty email to someone in the height of emotional stress, a better option is to write it all down and save it in your drafts folder. Check it the next day before you send it and I guarantee you will never send it.

It is a bit like your subconscious mind. Watch what you think. If you keep thinking bad things then bad things will happen!