Ebony Blue

JavaMan

Few businesses can survive for long without bringing in fresh, young users.

 
Respectfuly,
 
What does bringing in fresh young users have to do with "current" users having to go to twitter to preview new features?

Because obviously Cakewalk is trying to expand its reach by embracing technologies that appeal to younger users and potential new users. A bunch of "current" users basically flew off the handle and responded like Cakewalk had announced that the only way to continue using Sonar would be if you created a Twitter account.
 
-eB

Ebony Blue

Glennbo

Ebony Blue

I recently posted a forum topic proposing a feature that I thought would really set Sonar apart from other DAWs and was a bit disappointed in the level of response. It appears that most forum members aren't really interested in loop-based recording, which is a key feature in one of the most popular DAW's around right now Ableton Live. I'm also pretty sure that 'Project 5' came about as a result of 'Live's' popularity.  

Yeah, people who actually *PLAY* music on an *INSTRUMENT* are so old school and obsolete!!!  Reminds me of the line from Southpark where the kids who are playing Guitar Hero tell the dad who is showing them he can actually play the song on a real guitar, that "real guitars are for old people."

You definitely won't catch me defending something as creatively useless as 'Guitar Hero' or 'Rock Band'.  However, I don't subscribe to the notion that PLAYing music on real INSTRUMENTS is necessary to create quality music. Personally, I view a person's ability to combine musical elements into something that is unique and capable of evoking an emotional response from its intended audience as being just as valuable as mastering any single instrument. I know many talented musicians and singers that have no clue about how to create a listenable product out of a song.
 
The quality of loop-based recording should also not be under-estimated. Most modern loop libraries are played by real musicians with skillz that we don't have, using gear that most of us can't afford. They allow people with creative abilities to express themselves without the cost, space and time associated with dealing with real musicians. I'm also a big fan of live music and can appreciate musicianship as well as anyone. However, the reality is that it is no longer a necessity to making good music, especially from a production standpoint. Ultimately its up to the audience to decide if something works or not.
 
-eB

dontletmedrown


Is Ableton really that popular?  I personally don't know anyone who uses it.

Ebony Blue

My main issue with the Twitter alarmist postings is that we ALL know that regardless of how Cakewalk deciminates the info, its going to wind up in this forum within minutes... simply because that's how this forum rolls. So the need to complain about using Twitter publically is basically no more than trolling or whining. It also may make Cakewalk think twice about doing similar things in the future when they really shouldn't need to.
 
-eB

Glennbo


Personally, I think Cake needs a swift kick in the @$$ to remember that there are actual musicians out there, who actually do play instruments, and need a DAW that behaves like a recorder that records actual performances with emotion in them.  Sadly, I feel that they have lost sight of people like that, and as a result have blown some long running users down the road, where adding 60 gigabytes of loops and samples doesn't cut it as a new enhanced feature.

Susan G


Hi eB-

we ALL know that regardless of how Cakewalk deciminates the info, its going to wind up in this forum within minutes... simply because that's how this forum rolls.

That's fine, and I have no problem with that. I still would prefer to hear it directly from CW, rather than through a "Twitter" filter. As long as they post a direct quote here, that's fine, but otherwise, I'd have to go to the Twitter site to verify it, and I don't really want to do that.

Thanks-

-Susan

A while back I posted about Sonar's lack of support for pen/touch interface. Again I got a couple of responses but the reality is that few people seemed concerned. This is despite that fact that Microsoft is really touting pen/touch support as one of the key enhancements in Windows 7. As it stands right now Sonar is pretty much unusable on a tablet PC. In all fairness, so is Ableton Live right now, but they have at least publically stated that they are working to improve pen support. Some newer DAWs like Reaper have no problem at all with pen and touch support.

PaPi

I totally agree. It's pretty pathetic that some people equate real musicians who've spent most of their lives perfecting their instrument playing and composition skills to something "old" and "not hip."

PaPi

I encourage young people to pick up a real instrument and study real music. Ah, the horror... Why bother when all you need is a few loops and a nice body to impress the American Idol crowds? Right?

PaPi

cryophonik

PaPi

I totally agree. It's pretty pathetic that some people equate real musicians who've spent most of their lives perfecting their instrument playing and composition skills to something "old" and "not hip."

And, as a person who has spent most of his life perfecting his instruments and his knowledge of music, I think it's fantastic that so many more young people are making music nowadays than ever before, even those 14-year olds "making beats" on FLS, and I find it pathetic (and a sure sign of insecurity) that "accomplished" musicians look down their noses at them, rather than encourage them.

I encourage young people to pick up a real instrument and study real music. Ah, the horror... Why bother when all you need is a few loops and a nice body to impress the American Idol crowds? Right?

Glennbo

John


The premise seems a bit reaching for this thread. How someone uses Sonar should have no importance to how anyone else uses it. Also how CW chooses to make their app known as long as it doesn't embarrass us shouldn't matter either.

I am a fully grown person. I don't have to have anyone dictate what is the right way for me to do something.  As far as Sonar being "your Father's DAW so what if it does what its advertised to do and it does.

Image is not everything. Substance counts a lot more to grown people then it does to the young. Image doesn't count much at all to grown up people.  

If Sonar isn't the hippest thing on the block so be it. It works for me.

What Cake should do is first, totally fire their entire marketing department...

However, the reality is that most non-musicians could give a rats-a** if today's 'real music' was played using 'real instruments' by 'real musicians'.
 
They just want to be moved by the music, which ultimately is what making music is all about...
 
-eB