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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/11/29 10:21:39 (permalink)
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Thanks to everyone fro their help, but this is all I want to accomplish:
 
1)  I create a new file - basic
2)  I have track 1 - audio, track 2 - midi
3)  A was able to load Addictive Drums to the audio track under FX - AD2 is set for Studio Rock - Perfect. 
4)  I wasn't able to load Addictive Drums to the midi track - do I even need to?
5)  The step sequencer view is not selectable.
 

 
Okay... let's get this sorted first. I'm kind of surprised you haven't gotten this step figured out yet. It's in the the Reference Guide tutorials. Did you go through those tutorials at the start of the manual? If not your REALLY should. It is step by step and covers the basics like these.
 
There are a bunch of ways to insert a synth (which in this case will be Addictive Drums) but this is the absolute simplest until you figure out the Browser and other stuff.
 
With your blank project open (or any project... doesn't matter) go to the top of the Sonar screen and click Insert > Soft Synth > VST2 > Addictive Drums 2
 
After you click on Addictive Drums 2 in that last drop down menu the "Insert Soft Synth" dialog window opens up. It has a bunch of checkboxes. For now we will keep this ULTRA simple and use the Simple Instrument Track option.
 
So make sure the following options are checked...
 
Simple Instrument Track (this creates a single track for your MIDI and Audio)
 
Synth Track Folder (this doesn't matter for this setup but essentially it puts all tracks related to a synth into a convenient track folder such as multi output tracks... this is handy for more complex setups)
 
Synth Property Page (This just opens the the synth property page once the synth is inserted so AD2's GUI will pop open after you click OK)
 
Synth Rack View (this will open the "Synth Rack" in the "Browser"... I just want you to see the Synth Rack because that's a better place to insert and manage sysnths once you are more confortable)
 
Now click OK.
 
Your Simple Instrument Track will be created and automatically routed to/from AD2. The AD2 GUI will open up. If there isn't a kit loaded already in AD2 load one using the Preset Picker at the top left of the AD2 GUI.
 
Now you should be able to hit on the kit pieces and get sound. You will see the track you just created registering the hits.
 
Do that and come back.
 
 
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/11/29 10:23:52 (permalink)
Or do what scook says... which is what I was going to start moving you toward. Eventually I would have got you up to having all the kit pieces routed to their own audio tracks (all synth outputs Stereo or Mono options does this).
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/11/29 10:25:51 (permalink)
A simple instrument track will work instead of the "MIDI Source" and "First Synth Audio Output" in the image I added above. The reason I selected that MIDI+Audio option is it would be more familiar to the OP.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/11/29 10:34:51 (permalink)
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A simple instrument track will work instead of the "MIDI Source" and "First Synth Audio Output" in the image I added above. The reason I selected that MIDI+Audio option is it would be more familiar to the OP.





You are totally right. I was just going for the absolute simplest option to get him something to play around with then start moving toward the split MIDI/Audio track set up.
 
I think at this point Anthony just needs to let rip a little jam session to make him feel like this is gonna be worth it.
 
Either way though... MIDI source + First Synth Audio Output is only slightly more complex than the SIT. (two tracks vs. one).
 
If you got this I'll go fiddle with some other stuff I got cooking.
 
Cheers.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/11/29 10:43:26 (permalink)
Got it!!!  Wow!!  Think I'm in cut time - but this is pretty cool.
 
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/11/29 10:47:24 (permalink)
Ozz mentioned the VSTi/soft synths were new to you. Scook's method is definitely how you want to go about inserting them.

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/11/29 12:21:07 (permalink)
Anthony I will do a video tomorrow if I get a chance. I won't do it on the drum maps as the explaination given earlier in this thread was quite good. I was wondering would you prefer to have a track for each kit piece?
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/01 06:52:04 (permalink)
Yes eventually I will. Tonight I am going to play around with a separate file and try to do that. If I'm successful, I'll create a template of that. My drum machine was made in1989. Boss Dr. Rhythm. This is definitely a few steps up. The rolls sound like rolls instead of a piston hitting the drum at the same volume.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/01 08:27:03 (permalink)
Cool, I was going to do a video last night but my interface h as clapped itself. Direct monitoring is not working. I'll have another go tonight and hopefully I can help in some way.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/01 10:21:04 (permalink)
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The long/short name was a help recommendation in cakewalk. It was based on the error message I only got with the drum map-loaded cakewalk file. Looking in the directory on my computer I did have that 'problem'. Short names were not visible.


I'm assume this is it...?

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2681013

I see the cakewalk quote:

'Ultimately we will try and move away from this dependency but it involves backwards compatibility issues with projects so we can't completely sever this tie.'.

That was in 2012 not sure if anything changed or not. This isn't a hack I'd like to dive into anyway.

the original post from Noel http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2681013 is last edited on June 01, 15 1:04 AM, but obviously itg's not clear what was edited (the red text?): "If you found this thread be advised that as of SONAR X3 this information here is somewhat out of date"
hth

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/01 12:33:56 (permalink)
There is a project template, track template and drum map created for AD2 in this blog http://blog.cakewalk.com/drum-maps-ad2-in-sonar/
 
Create a new project using the project template, open the step sequencer and everything should be setup.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/01 16:54:54 (permalink)
AnthonyMangos
Thanks to everyone fro their help, but this is all I want to accomplish:
 
1)  I create a new file - basic
2)  I have track 1 - audio, track 2 - midi
3)  A was able to load Addictive Drums to the audio track under FX - AD2 is set for Studio Rock - Perfect. 
4)  I wasn't able to load Addictive Drums to the midi track - do I even need to?
5)  The step sequencer view is not selectable.
 

 
I think the key to his problem is/was in step #3.
Inserting AD2 in the FX bin. 
Or not.
 

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/02 06:41:56 (permalink)
Everything works perfectly when I do a simple instrument track. When I created a separate file and inserted the soft synth to set the kit pieces to different tracks - I get no sound. The same problem as the drum map. If I can figure out the settings I need to change, the drum map should also work fine. Sometimes the step sequencer is unselectable - can't figure that one out. But this is pretty cool. Thanks. A lot.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/02 08:02:01 (permalink)
You can also open the step sequencer from the upper right area in the AD2 GUI. Looks like a grid box.
 
If you create a project (or insert a track template) from that blog post mentioned above, you should also have everything routed already. Definitely shy away from piece-parting track routing together (for now), as it can be a bit cumbersome for routing, and in most cases unnecessary.

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/02 08:33:28 (permalink)
I followed the instructions for inserting sift synth. When I don't do 'simple instrument track' I get no sound. I can see where the kit pieces are registering on the master -but no sound. I'll need to be at my computer to describe exactly. I can't remember is I armed a track to make v the step sequencer selectable - it was greyed ore and wouldn't let me select it.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/02 13:21:14 (permalink)
Sounds like you are still not entirely clear on inserting and routing. This can be a little difficult to wrap your head around until you have that "Aha" moment. I'll try to explain a little better.
 
Just like in the physical world, there are three things necessary.
1. An instrument - Keyboard, synth, guitar (this has to be unloaded from the truck, and setup on stage)
2. Input to play/control the instrument (a musician has to provide the input (play it) or the instrument will just sit there)
3. Output so you can hear it. (you must connect it to an amp, otherwise you won't hear it)
 
In the "virtual" world you have the same.
1. VSTi - AD2, Kontakt, TTS, etc. (these have to be "inserted" into your project)
2. Input - VSTis use MIDI as input. (a MIDI track acts as the musician)
3. Output - VSTis create audio output (an audio track acts as the amp)
(Routing is the cables)
 
So, in order to "hear" AD2 you need to do the following.
1. Insert the VSTi into your project. You can do this any number of ways. (1) Click the insert menu, insert a soft synth. You can insert a simple instrument track or MIDI + Audio. (2) Or you can press "B" to bring up the browser, click the synths tab, click the "+" buttom and add your synth there.
2. You NEED a MIDI track to send the control messages to the VSTi. Set the Output of that MIDI track to the synth (AD2)
3. You NEED an Audio track to play back the audio the VSTi is generating. Set the INPUT of that audio track to your synth. (AD2)
 
Any clearer?
 
 

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/02 16:47:13 (permalink)
Perfectly clear. Thanks! ! I bet it created just midi tracks for the separate kit pieces. When I chose simple audio it created both
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/03 07:20:13 (permalink)
This is only $9.99 on Cakewalk's site and is a comprehensive video on this (And many other Instruments):
https://shop.cakewalk.com/1244/catalog/product.151198/language.en/currency.USD/?id=Bn4qw3inr3
 
It was created for Sonar X3, but the steps remain the same (just might be in slightly different places).  I have this and I am still wrapping my head around the whole MIDI thing. 
I do Live sound and play drums and up to this point have not synthesized any of my work...I may start.  I really like the cello & sax sounds!
 
 
 
 

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/03 08:08:11 (permalink)
Anthony, usually ONE MIDI track will control the entire kit. You can have each piece routed to it's own AUDIO track to mix yourself.
 

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/03 17:05:21 (permalink)
Anthony, I did this video earlier. It's not perfect havent got much time at the minute, my 2 kids are sick. Did the best I could, It shows the three ways to set up addictive drums and a little bit on the step sequencer. Anything you would like to ask just let me know. Heres the link to the vid ---->  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5lyNXUDE24
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/03 22:04:49 (permalink)
Troll?

If it's not in the mix, it's not in the master 
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/03 22:42:37 (permalink)
Nah, just someone a bit confused about how MIDI and audio tie together, track routings and such. As were we all at one time, everyone has to start somewhere and a modern DAW is about as complex as software gets from a user point of view.

In some ways those of us who came across MIDI when it was a new idea, recording = tape and you had maybe a couple of compressors, a few fx and a mixer had much less of a learning curve to deal with.

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/04 05:38:38 (permalink)
Not a troll. Success! I followed this link. http://blog.cakewalk.com/...-your-addictive-drums/

I bet someone posted that link earlier and I was too frustrated to pay attention. Sorry if that's true.
And everything is working fine. I have the drums on separate tracks and am renaming the rows in the step sequencer. Should finish up tonight. I don't think I had 'Accept MIDi input' checked when I previously tried to save to multiple tracks. There's like 8 different snare sounds - I always felt the snare sounds was the bane of early drum machines. Thanks everyone.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/04 05:39:14 (permalink)
Sausy1981 - Ill watch you're video at lunch today.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/04 05:48:21 (permalink)
Well, Anthony... man up and retitle this thread... your anger was misplaced and the title should reflect this.
 

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/04 08:00:40 (permalink)
I will, but I really don't think my anger was misplaced. Forum searches, community boards etc. - could be better. Those instructions should have been right with the products. They would sell more.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/04 11:15:02 (permalink)
Yes you do need to change the title. Your anger is misplaced. What you have seen here is a forum that has worked its magic on your behalf. But it isn't magic. It is hard work where members went out of their way to spoon feed you the answer. The answer was there all along. You just didn't know where to look. If you had done the tutorials, read the manual and taken it step by step you would have not been angry and this thread would not have happened.
 
The members wanted you to see what they see.  A great program beautifully designed to make one's work easier and simple to do. I have watched the members here do their very best to explain it to you in various ways hoping one would strike you as a light being turned on. That kind of dedication is uncommon. But it is common place on this forum.
 
In the past and on other forums RTFM would have been the response. Not here, Not now. Rather people not only gave you the answer but did so with good cheer and using tools not often offered.
 
Yes you need to change the title and you need to thank everyone that contributed. You also need to thank goodness for this forum!  
 
         

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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/04 11:40:37 (permalink)
At least add [SOLVED] to the title.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/04 12:58:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/12/04 13:21:59
Well... technically he still may not like Sonar because he hasn't had a chance to fully test it. Probably unfair of him to have made that statement BEFORE actually putting it through the paces but still it could turn out that after fully learning the program he would prefer something else.
 
That is more of a subjective assessment only he can make but at this point he really does not have all the necessary info to make that assessment.
 
I would suggest maybe in the meantime the title at least be changed to... "Not sure if like Sonar Professional, but still testing/learning".
 
Gotta say though... he sure got a pile of free tutoring with the squeaky wheel method. Perhaps that was the plan all along.
 
lulzity
 
Keep at 'er, Anthony. Based on what you claim your needs are you're gonna like it once you get over the hump.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional 2015/12/04 13:12:37 (permalink)
I'm gonna cogitate on whether I will rescind my suggestion. 
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