AnthonyMangos
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I just purchased Sonar Professional and to be honest, I don't like it. I didn't like the download process, don't like the updates and having to be on the internet, hate the default view, and lack of paper manuals. I'm stuck with it, as I also bought a new computer and bought a new soundcard solely for this - a grand total for frustration. I've contacted customer support via e-mail, but still have not heard - I can't deal with their hours (1 PM - 6 PM). I've found time to type this but I won't be home from work until 7 PM. Really? I have used an ancient version of Cakewalk with an old computer before and I loved it. Can I get Sonar to work like this?? I found the download process and command center confusing and not user-friendly. How do I get the time scale view like I had on the old Cakewalk? Not piano roll, not console and not event list. Does session drummer have a decent manual. I figured out how to program one measure but not how to save them. My goal last night was simply to download the Sonar without incident and get the timescale view (I think that is what they called it). Mission not accomplished. I think I downloaded the products, but no confirmation that it was properly activated. I'll install my Roland Quad-Capture tonight. That has a very well-written, professional manual.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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☄ Helpfulby Joey Adams [Cakewalk] 2015/11/12 16:57:17
Seems to me you haven't given it a chance and if you are used to an ancient version you're gonna have a big learning curve to really appreciate it for what it is.
Just a guess but maybe this "Time Scale" thing you're talking about is the Step Sequncer? Like a bunch of little boxes that you turn on and off to create beats and note sequences?
Otherwise you're gonna have to be a little more descriptive.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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☄ Helpfulby Joey Adams [Cakewalk] 2015/11/12 16:57:15
Welcome to the forum Anthony. It sounds to me that this version is a shock to you and you are lost. My advice is stay with it and run some of the videos under Cake TV to get a feel for the program.
Also there is a manual that is over 2000 pages long with a tutorial section that is a good starting point. Forget every thing you knew about the old version and think new. Start fresh and look at it as an adventure.
Then when you get stuck come here and ask a question. We are here 24 7.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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☄ Helpfulby Joey Adams [Cakewalk] 2015/11/12 16:57:24
Just go to groove3.com website and go through the video tutorials, and never look back afterwards. It's a new tool and inevitably you are going to have to start more or less from scratch.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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Sounds like a bad case of future shock! I really don't think it's possible to jump from an "ancient" version of a program to a modern version without being frustrated that your neural pathways need rejiggering. We've all been through it.
In this day and age you're going to have to download stuff off the internet and consult PDF manuals. The days of paper manuals are long gone and that's a good thing for the trees, however if you prefer a real manual then have a look at buying a Sonar book. Video courses like Groove3 are the way to go however. A little patience and effort in the early stages of learning Sonar will make things 1000% easier down the line.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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Nothing to really say that hasn't already been said, but I had jumped from pre x version into x3(and now plAtinum) and I loved it. It did take a lil getting used to navigation wise. The downloading from the command center is rather easy to me. I never had to change paths for anything. I downloaded and installed and everything just starts up the way its sopposed to. Like the other guy said, I'm not sure what u mean by the time scale. U can access the piano roll/step sequencer by a right click on a midi track tho. If you have a direct descriptive question I'm sure many ppl here would happily answer for u and help u.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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☄ Helpfulby sharke 2015/11/04 00:52:23
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/03 21:02:05
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Sorry to say that most manufacturers nowadays do not provide written manuals, especially software vendors. With a 2000 page Sonar manual, the cost of the software would go up significantly. Even those who do provide a manual, they are usually a "Quick Start" manual and you still have to view the full .pdf manual to get all of the details.
Also, Sonar is not out of the ordinary. If you were to buy any other DAW, it would be the same smell with manual and features. That's the way Paint Shop Pro started out, small and simple shareware, but look at it now! Fortunately, there are a zillion resources out there on the web like those that others have alluded to, including Cakewalk's own videos. When I started doing this decades ago, these did not exist.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/03 23:49:40
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Well you don't have to like Sonar. There's plenty of Daws around and maybe one of the others will fit you better.
I'm guessing the Time Scale you're referring to is simply the Track view: tracks listed down the left with time across the top. The time can be measured in a variety of forms including Samples, MBT (Measures Beats Ticks) SMPTE, HMS (Hours, Minutes, Seconds Frames). Just click the box with red numbers in it and with each click the type of measurement will change.
You probably need to do the tutorials as if you're a completely new user.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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Man it's true that we are exceptionally lucky to have the internet as a resource these days. It's hard to remember what it was like back before the days when you could Google anything, ask detailed questions on forums, instantly dial up thousands of video tutorials and reference material etc. I remember learning how to program back in the early 90's with a language called AMOS, which I had boxed with a manual. The "manual" was basically a reference guide to all of the commands in alphabetical order. There was no getting started tutorial, no "first steps," nothing. I had to read that reference from front to back and slowly pick up an idea of how the language, and the development environment, worked. Couldn't ask any questions anywhere. But, I guess I was a lot more patient in those days (and there weren't so many distractions) so I slowly picked it up.
Same with the first "DAW" I used, which was really a tracker called OctaMED. Had a pirate copy of it on floppy disc with no instructions. I just had to piece things together by trial and error, but by jove I did it and was making music in no time. I really wonder how I would have gotten on with Sonar under the same circumstances.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 04:23:27
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This is very interesting, considering there's a demo of Sonar available to try before you buy! Those upgrade emails can be persuasive when the price gets too low to let it go. Those days are over for me. 
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 09:01:17
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How do I get the time scale view like I had on the old Cakewalk? Not piano roll, not console and not event list. Sounds suspiciously like Track View to me......
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 10:35:04
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2015/11/05 09:36:49
I have a feeling the OP is going to remain one of those "no sir I don't like it" posters with exactly 1 post to their name 
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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sharke
I have a feeling the OP is going to remain one of those "no sir I don't like it" posters with exactly 1 post to their name
Drive by whinging.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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AnthonyMangos
I just purchased Sonar Professional and to be honest, I don't like it. I didn't like the download process, don't like the updates and having to be on the internet, hate the default view, and lack of paper manuals.
I'm stuck with it, as I also bought a new computer and bought a new soundcard solely for this - a grand total for frustration.
I've contacted customer support via e-mail, but still have not heard - I can't deal with their hours (1 PM - 6 PM). I've found time to type this but I won't be home from work until 7 PM. Really?
I have used an ancient version of Cakewalk with an old computer before and I loved it. Can I get Sonar to work like this??
I found the download process and command center confusing and not user-friendly.
How do I get the time scale view like I had on the old Cakewalk? Not piano roll, not console and not event list. Does session drummer have a decent manual. I figured out how to program one measure but not how to save them.
My goal last night was simply to download the Sonar without incident and get the timescale view (I think that is what they called it). Mission not accomplished. I think I downloaded the products, but no confirmation that it was properly activated.
I'll install my Roland Quad-Capture tonight. That has a very well-written, professional manual.
For some people , life will always be difficult. I find this to be outrageously funny. Sorry.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 14:59:30
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Why did you buy the upgrade? Did you like the color of the box?
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/11/05 17:09:57
Paper manuals get out of date so quickly they become a two edged sword. I have grown to like electronic manuals as they are more likley to be kept up to date (there is a documentation update with every Sonar update) and they are easier to search.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 15:46:49
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I went from Sonar 8 to Sonar Professional last month. Tried the demo first...  A bit of a learning curve but I'm getting stuck into it now (went from XP to W10 at the same time, I just threw caution to the wind  ) The 'command center' and downloading malarkey was perfectly straightforward, not sure what the issue is there.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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☄ Helpfulby Anderton 2015/11/04 22:22:57
The learning curve from pre-X Sonar is big indeed. If you want a paper manual, Sonar Power is the best available http://www.garrigus.com/pwrbkinf.asp?BookID=3 I'm hope his new book will be out soon . The Cake TV,SWA, Youtube and Groove 3 videos can get you up and running lickety split (gross exaggeration). Don't just complain and leave. This is a helpful forum, implement some of the suggestions and check back with your progress and questions. Rocky
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 16:23:30
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The command center tree view thing and the possible need to install some products separately can conceivably be a bit baffling. Some clarity around what problems specifically vex the OP would be very useful.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 17:11:59
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sharke
Man it's true that we are exceptionally lucky to have the internet as a resource these days. It's hard to remember what it was like back before the days when you could Google anything, ask detailed questions on forums, instantly dial up thousands of video tutorials and reference material etc. I remember learning how to program back in the early 90's with a language called AMOS, which I had boxed with a manual. The "manual" was basically a reference guide to all of the commands in alphabetical order. There was no getting started tutorial, no "first steps," nothing. I had to read that reference from front to back and slowly pick up an idea of how the language, and the development environment, worked. Couldn't ask any questions anywhere. But, I guess I was a lot more patient in those days (and there weren't so many distractions) so I slowly picked it up.
Same with the first "DAW" I used, which was really a tracker called OctaMED. Had a pirate copy of it on floppy disc with no instructions. I just had to piece things together by trial and error, but by jove I did it and was making music in no time. I really wonder how I would have gotten on with Sonar under the same circumstances.
Sharke, "insert rant here"...  I think the internet brings about people like our OP that don't really do the research but buy anyhow, then when they don't like it they bash the product. How can you expect there will be no learning curve? How can you expect it NOT to be different? I'm sorry, but I came from back in the ole FORTRAN and BASIC days so I know how it is when the manual is as big as a telephone book so if I expected that Win7, 8 or 10 were going to be the "same ole thing" I would be kidding myself right? Sorry... got a little carried away there for a minute... rant over.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 17:41:14
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LOL! Was I THAT bad Doc? 
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 17:55:14
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I think the subject title provided the explosive myself. The detonator remains to be seen :)
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 17:56:15
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Ahhhh gotcha... I agree... I also think the OP's silence has lit the fuse...
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
2015/11/04 18:49:46
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When I'm "stuck" with software I force myself to learn it. After Sonar 5 I started to hate it because of the GUI. It was too messy. I like the X series.
I too recommend groove3 since tutorials are half off. Sonar Platinum is $20.
I think one of the OPs rants are there is no .chm file. I still like those instead of going to a web page.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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I think one of the OPs rants are there is no .chm file. I still like those instead of going to a web page.
Edit > Preferences > File > Advanced, and select Always Use Offline Help.
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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☄ Helpfulby williamcopper 2015/11/05 16:10:47
I'm probably going to hate myself for getting involved here, but let me chime in.... I know the OP....we're good friends and went to college together in the late 80's....I love him like a brother. He built the guitar you see in my avatar, for me as a gift when I suffered a family loss. We live several hours away from each other.... and after college continued playing together via 4-track cassette player....around 1999 we each bought an M-Audio Delta 1010 and a version of Cakewalk Pro Audio 9. And that's what he has used ever since. I finally upgraded in 2010 to Sonar 8.5....and then to X3 last year, and Platinum this year. (and a Roland Octa Capture a couple years ago) He finally decided to replace his aging computer and his 1010 which was having some physical issues, with (at my suggestion) Sonar Professional and a Roland Quad Capture..... And he's had more issues than I thought he was going to.....it's a HUGE change and he is completely overwhelmed at the moment. (The idea of VST's is completely foreign to him, as an example) I was able to explain to him how to get the view he wanted and am trying to get him situated....but, he's more about "just recording" rather than learning the processes necessary. And we've gotten a little frustrated with one another during this process...so I think he felt the need to vent his frustrations here... So....I can guarantee you he's not a troll...and he's not a jerk....just a guy going from software that's 16 years old or more to the newest version... I had made several of the same suggestions many of you have regarding Groove 3, youtube videos, google, and the like.... but....he isn't really into change....though once he gets used to it I know (hope) he's gonna love it. There...how often do you get a complete explanation regarding an angry post! ;-)
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Re: Don't Like Sonar Professional
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/04 21:40:43
Ozz.. That's a first (that I can recall)...  Never said (nor thought) the OP was a jerk. Really feel that he should come back and give it another try. One thing I can say about this forum is that the people here ARE here to help. We've ALL been new to Sonar and we've all had trouble. Whether it was with set up, recording, latency, how to get a track to bus correctly, whatever we've all been there. We ALL understand his frustration and feel for him. Hate speaking of someone in the 3rd person would like him to come back so that we can help though. Gotta start somewhere or else it ends up being a heap in the back of the studio and who wants that??? 
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