Paul Slocum
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50
- Joined: 2003/12/23 11:34:53
- Status: offline
Switching to Reaper
I've been using Sonar for probably about 15 years, since it was Cakewalk 3.0 on Windows 3.1, but I've finally made the switch to Reaper. The thing that really got me was that Sonar jumped to version 8 and abandoned fixing substantial bugs in 7, requiring me to pay if I wanted bugs fixed that affected me every time I was working. In addition, Sonar's interface keeps getting more clumsy. It feels like design decisions at Cakewalk are now made by programmers and the marketing department, not musicians or user experience experts.
Reaper isn't perfect, and the video support is currently almost unusable so it's not good for post, but they claim that video will be working soon (and video support is pretty poor on Sonar anyway). But I'm finishing up my first commercial project in Reaper, and the user interface feel is great, it's faster and more stable than Sonar for me, and has already improved my workflow even though I'm still learning some stuff. In addition, it runs on Windows 32 and 64, Mac, and Linux, and it doesn't use copy protection!
l8r cakewalk! ;o(
|
slartabartfast
Max Output Level: -22.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5289
- Joined: 2005/10/30 01:38:34
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 14:21:20
(permalink)
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 14:49:15
(permalink)
yeah. You've been such a big part of this community. We'll really miss you around here. 
|
jackson
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 251
- Joined: 2009/08/05 21:53:42
- Location: P. I
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 14:52:24
(permalink)
Good Luck Paul  A lot of times I feel the same. And ask myself... damn... mabey I should of went Protools on a mac. However my problems arn't with sonar. My problems are me not having lacking computer skills/ know how and trying to PIMP my PC and figureing out this computer/software/ music quick, fast and in a hurry. After many many crashes/bsod/latency/dropouts/ext ext... I'm steadly slowley getting my PC somewhat more stable and smooth. Thanks to this forum....... I will say this... If it wasn't for the people here on this forum, I would have switched DAWs. a few months back. One day I'm goning to have Sonar performing rock solid. I guess Its always smart to go with the DAW that best works for you and your work flow.
64 BIT 32bit Vista/ REASON 4 / 6600 MSI Dual Quad Core 2.4 Ghz / Dual Monitors / DDR2 8 GB 4 GB /2 500 GB Hard Drives (7200 RPM) / Kontrol 49 /BCR 2000 /GNX 4/ Yamaha HS50M Monitors / US 428 /Korg nano key/ G2M
|
MatsonMusicBox
Max Output Level: -73 dBFS
- Total Posts : 879
- Joined: 2008/07/09 10:56:31
- Location: Hanover, PA
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 15:13:26
(permalink)
Hope you'll report back after trying it awhile - I plan to give it a thorough test drive around the holidays - too busy now to switch or evaluate.
Aside from all the cool routing, massive customization options, lower cpu usage, much better envelopes, and other pluses that are touted, what tempts me most is that development seems to be much more user-responsive than marketing driven. It also seems to progress at a lightening pace. MIDI seems to be a potential weak spot for now, but at the rate they fix things, might not be long until it meets or surpasses SONAR and the others. I'm also interested to see what they do with video. FWIW, I could care less about included VSTs or instruments in SONAR (or Reaper) - I use all 3rd party stuff anyway and don't see that changing.
I'm having no major probs with SONAR. but I'm always looking for the something better, and the overall direction of SONAR seems to be moving differently than I want to go.
Please let us know how it goes!
|
Glennbo 
Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1840
- Joined: 2003/11/10 22:38:37
- Location: Planet Earth
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 15:56:32
(permalink)
Beagle
yeah. You've been such a big part of this community. We'll really miss you around here.
He didn't say he was leaving the forum. <G>
|
papa2005
Max Output Level: -43 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3250
- Joined: 2009/08/01 16:43:11
- Location: Southeastern, US
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 15:56:34
(permalink)
Who is Paul Slocum and why do we care if he's switching?
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
|
MatsonMusicBox
Max Output Level: -73 dBFS
- Total Posts : 879
- Joined: 2008/07/09 10:56:31
- Location: Hanover, PA
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:11:46
(permalink)
papa2005
Who is Paul Slocum and why do we care if he's switching?
I don't know who he is other than what he says about himself and that he's moving to Reaper. I "care" because I'd like to hear an experienced SONAR user's evaluation of Reaper, a product and company which I find quite intriguing.
|
papa2005
Max Output Level: -43 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3250
- Joined: 2009/08/01 16:43:11
- Location: Southeastern, US
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:14:32
(permalink)
Please define "experienced SONAR user"...Just because he's upgraded/updated through several versions doesn't mean he's actually "experienced" in how to use the product.
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:24:45
(permalink)
I'm a firm believer that everyone should use whatever they are comfortable with. If that's sonar, fine, if that's reaper, great! if that's garageband - go for it.
but these threads about "I'm leaving sonar becaue..." just kind of get on my nerves. They're really nothing more than people wanting attention. I'd have more respect for someone if they just came out and said: these are the problems I find with sonar. and I don't even mind if they say that brand X does this better than sonar. but the drama of "I'm leaving" is just that...drama.
leave the drama in high school.
|
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 86000
- Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:31:54
(permalink)
papa2005
Who is Paul Slocum and why do we care if he's switching?
I think he's this guy:  But please don't quote me. We should care because he's this guy: If indeed that's him. No way to confirm it, though. I mean, he's gone and all, right?
post edited by bapu - 2009/09/24 16:33:19
|
daveny5
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 16934
- Joined: 2003/11/06 09:54:36
- Location: North Carolina
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:33:24
(permalink)
Paul Slocum
I've been using Sonar for probably about 15 years, since it was Cakewalk 3.0 on Windows 3.1, but I've finally made the switch to Reaper. The thing that really got me was that Sonar jumped to version 8 and abandoned fixing substantial bugs in 7, requiring me to pay if I wanted bugs fixed that affected me every time I was working. In addition, Sonar's interface keeps getting more clumsy. It feels like design decisions at Cakewalk are now made by programmers and the marketing department, not musicians or user experience experts.
Reaper isn't perfect, and the video support is currently almost unusable so it's not good for post, but they claim that video will be working soon (and video support is pretty poor on Sonar anyway). But I'm finishing up my first commercial project in Reaper, and the user interface feel is great, it's faster and more stable than Sonar for me, and has already improved my workflow even though I'm still learning some stuff. In addition, it runs on Windows 32 and 64, Mac, and Linux, and it doesn't use copy protection!
l8r cakewalk! ;o(
Let me get this straight, your leaving Sonar because they didn't fix a few bugs in version 7, and so you're switching to Reaper which admittedly isn't perfect, and has video support that is almost unusable. Why not be honest and admit its because you don't want to have to pay for Sonar? Bye. Have fun with Reaper.
Dave Computer: Intel i7, ASROCK H170M, 16GB/5TB+, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, Sonar Platinum, TASCAM US-16x08, Cakewalk UM-3G MIDI I/F Instruments: SL-880 Keyboard controller, Korg 05R/W, Korg N1R, KORG Wavestation EX Axes: Fender Stratocaster, Line6 Variax 300, Ovation Acoustic, Takamine Nylon Acoustic, Behringer GX212 amp, Shure SM-58 mic, Rode NT1 condenser mic. Outboard: Mackie 1402-VLZ mixer, TC Helicon VoiceLive 2, Digitech Vocalist WS EX, PODXTLive, various stompboxes and stuff. Controllers: Korg nanoKONTROL, Wacom Bamboo Touchpad
|
simpleman
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 262
- Joined: 2009/05/16 01:20:33
- Location: Down to Earth
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:36:53
(permalink)
I can imagine this Reaper eventually becoming this Super DAW. Being able to cap what every other does. I mean programs like Nuendo, which sells for over US $2000, to mention Sonar, Logic et all.
It can run on any type of computer and any type of operating system.
This is being given away for free, or pay only if one feels guilty enough.
Why should anyone complain about wanting to use such a marvelous system with a marketing strategy not even good enough for true Socialism.
Unless of course it succeeds in killing off every other DAW then it will Reap the benefits and charge a "million dollars"
It bothers me to support this ploy.
|
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 86000
- Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:39:31
(permalink)
Have fun with Reaper. I have Reaper 3.0. I would not say it's more or less fun than SONAR. I don't user Reaper, I use SOANR. On a side note, I do have fun taunting The Grim Reaper. Every day I wake up and say to TGR, "Hah, 24 more hours under my belt." I know, I know. It's dangerous, but that's how I roll.
|
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 86000
- Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:40:16
(permalink)
moving this thread in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6........
|
...wicked
Max Output Level: -1.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7360
- Joined: 2003/12/18 01:00:56
- Location: Seattle
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:40:48
(permalink)
daveny5
Let me get this straight, your leaving Sonar because they didn't fix a few bugs in version 7, and so you're switching to Reaper which admittedly isn't perfect, and has video support that is almost unusable.
Why not be honest and admit its because you don't want to have to pay for Sonar?
FTW!
=========== The Fog People =========== Intel i7-4790 16GB RAM ASUS Z97 Roland OctaCapture Win10/64 SONAR Platinum 64-bit billions VSTs, some of which work
|
strikinglyhandsome1
Max Output Level: -3 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7224
- Joined: 2006/11/15 09:21:12
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:43:26
(permalink)
You Reaper what you Sonar
I know that's complete gibberish but you've already left.
|
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 86000
- Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:45:27
(permalink)
strikinglyhandsome1
You Reaper what you Sonar
I know that's complete gibberish but you've already left.
Uh Uhhhh uhhhhh. I'm still here and that gibberish WILL NOT scare me off! 
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 16:58:53
(permalink)
simpleman
This is being given away for free, or pay only if one feels guilty enough.
Are you serious? Show me where it says on cockos' website that it's being given away for free. It is not free. It is shareware and costs $60 for personal use or $225 for commercial use. it has nothing to do with being free unless you feel guilty enough - that's asinine!
|
Wookiee
Rrrrugh arah-ah-woof?
- Total Posts : 13306
- Joined: 2007/01/16 06:19:43
- Location: Akahaocwora - Village Yoh Kay
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 17:09:14
(permalink)
Didn't Cockos just upgrade from 2.xxx to 3.xxx?
Where all the bugs fixed in 2.xxx?
Just interested.
I do confess to being confused as to why you are throwing x years of investment in Sonar for a product that you declare to be "not perfect". There again I know of no software product that is.
Having said all this I do wish all the best with your decision and the future.
Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.
Karma has a way of finding its own way home.
Primary, i7 8700K 16Gigs Ram, 3x500gb SSD's 2TB Backup HHD Saffire Pro 40. Win 10 64Bit Secondary i7 4790K, 32GB Ram, 500Gb SSD OS/Prog's, 1TB Audio, 1TB Samples HHD AudioBox USB, Win 10 64Bit CbB, Adam's A7x's - Event 20/20's, Arturia V6, Korg Digital Legacy, Softube Modular, Arturia Keylab-88, USB-MidiSport 8x8
|
djwayne
Max Output Level: -55 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2021
- Joined: 2005/08/07 17:27:09
- Location: USA
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 17:10:07
(permalink)
Sorry but I just don't like the name of the company.... I don't want that on my GUI. I'll stick with Cakewalk and Audition. You get what you pay for.
|
Richard Fey
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 650
- Joined: 2003/11/07 11:52:40
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 17:16:25
(permalink)
Why not be honest and admit its because you don't want to have to pay for Sonar? Bye. Have fun with Reaper. LOL Shrewd the dude.
|
ba_midi
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14061
- Joined: 2003/11/05 16:58:18
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 18:36:09
(permalink)
Paul Slocum
I've been using Sonar for probably about 15 years, since it was Cakewalk 3.0 on Windows 3.1, but I've finally made the switch to Reaper. The thing that really got me was that Sonar jumped to version 8 and abandoned fixing substantial bugs in 7, requiring me to pay if I wanted bugs fixed that affected me every time I was working. In addition, Sonar's interface keeps getting more clumsy. It feels like design decisions at Cakewalk are now made by programmers and the marketing department, not musicians or user experience experts.
Reaper isn't perfect, and the video support is currently almost unusable so it's not good for post, but they claim that video will be working soon (and video support is pretty poor on Sonar anyway). But I'm finishing up my first commercial project in Reaper, and the user interface feel is great, it's faster and more stable than Sonar for me, and has already improved my workflow even though I'm still learning some stuff. In addition, it runs on Windows 32 and 64, Mac, and Linux, and it doesn't use copy protection!
l8r cakewalk! ;o(
Well I wish the bug fixing was more important as well, but I've been trying Reaper and I found a few bugs there too. However I'm replying because you sound more like sour grapes than anything else. All software has bugs. But I've made a ton of music with Sonar (every version) and lived with the bugs like every other piece of software out there. And, while I do wish there was more attention to the bugs, I also am glad Sonar is as powerful and useful as it is. I've talked with so many people on this same subject. Everyone has their personal gripes and wishes. But most agree that the big software (of which Sonar is one) does a damn good job in general. SO fine ... move on to Reaper. I'm not such a fan of some of it's approaches, but I continue to review it as it develops. In the meantime I make music all the time in Sonar. If you had as much invested in Reaper as you seem to have with Sonar, and reach the point where you bump into its bugs, we'll see if you sing the praises so easily. And one other thing ... why is it people have such a need to come dump on the other guy, so to speak. If you moved on - then move on. WHy come here and trash the product many of us use and enjoy using. Go sing your praises on the Reaper Forums. And trash Sonar there if you must. I'm not a fanboy, but I am a solid supporter. I do mostly ITB projects and that puts a big strain on the computer (moreso than audio only etc); and sure I've run into bugs, but each time there was an acceptable workaround. Have fun, and think about the posts you put out here. Most of us try to help others work through their problems. It's harder to do when / if someone just comes to throw out their trash. Be well.
|
ba_midi
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14061
- Joined: 2003/11/05 16:58:18
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 18:39:21
(permalink)
MatsonMusicBox
papa2005
Who is Paul Slocum and why do we care if he's switching?
I don't know who he is other than what he says about himself and that he's moving to Reaper. I "care" because I'd like to hear an experienced SONAR user's evaluation of Reaper, a product and company which I find quite intriguing.
Why not go to the Reaper forums for that? Why expect people (or even want people) to come here and do that? It seems a bit offensive to me; but after all, the world is a bit offensive these days isn't it :( If I owned a restaurant you used to eat at, would you come there just to tell others how much you like a new/different restaurant? See my point?
|
arkiruthis
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 343
- Joined: 2008/02/13 09:49:17
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 18:59:57
(permalink)
SONAR is the worst host...
... except for all the others that I've tried.
(apologies to Sir Winston Churchill)
|
Fret Wizz
Max Output Level: -79 dBFS
- Total Posts : 581
- Joined: 2007/07/01 13:46:57
- Location: Adelaide South Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 19:01:10
(permalink)
I've never been able to get Reaper stable on my PC.
It hangs, crashes and generally is the least stable DAW
I've tried.
Dunno why ... I've tried a few times ... I actually
downloaded it again just the other day, but haven't
installed it yet.
hehe at the rate of development on the Cockos site
I should probably check in again to see if it's been
updated already.
Buy honestly ... out of all the DAWs I've tried Reaper
is the one that gives me the most problems.
|
Marah
Max Output Level: -71 dBFS
- Total Posts : 975
- Joined: 2009/02/04 21:56:41
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 19:06:20
(permalink)
daveny5 << Why not be honest and admit its because you don't want to have to pay for Sonar? >> It's sad to think that serious DAW users would think that serious DAW users would make a decision like that based on price. Unfortunately, that seems to be the kind of user attitude and technical understanding, and inertia in loyalty drag, that CW's business seems increasingly dependent on, and that its (apparently) combined marketing and development efforts are geared towards. (Could this be a case CW listening to their customers too well?) I've been thinking about this. Switching applications is not a decision made lightly, especially when the application is central to what you do, and when what you do means something to you. I've done it only once before with a core application, when I switched from WordPerfect to Microsoft Word. I think that's why we see all these dramatic "I'm leaving" and "I'm switching" announcements. It's not always easy to actually make the switch, especially if you're attached to the product or the company or feel an attachment to the user community (even if that's based more on a certain shared experience than on running up an embarrassing post count.) The dramatic "I'm switching" announcement is part of the separation process. Like a rite of passage. Like if I make a public declaration, it means that I've really done it. Or at least that I kind of have to go through with it. Sort of like a weird variation of "stop me before I kill again." In other words, the drama reflects the trauma. I've never made such a post. But I think I understand the impulse.
post edited by Marah - 2009/09/24 19:16:03
|
strikinglyhandsome1
Max Output Level: -3 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7224
- Joined: 2006/11/15 09:21:12
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 19:15:53
(permalink)
I agree in part.
I've just been on to a Car Maintenance Forum and posted "I'm changing the oil" - it's like a weight has been lifted.
|
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 86000
- Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 19:17:23
(permalink)
it's like a weight has been lifted. 30, 40 or multi-vis?
|
Genghis
Max Output Level: -74 dBFS
- Total Posts : 827
- Joined: 2003/11/09 16:09:17
- Location: Huntington Beach, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Switching to Reaper
2009/09/24 19:17:32
(permalink)
Fret Wizz
I've never been able to get Reaper stable on my PC.
It hangs, crashes and generally is the least stable DAW
I've tried.
Dunno why ... I've tried a few times ... I actually
downloaded it again just the other day, but haven't
installed it yet.
hehe at the rate of development on the Cockos site
I should probably check in again to see if it's been
updated already.
Buy honestly ... out of all the DAWs I've tried Reaper
is the one that gives me the most problems.
Same here. It crashes pretty much instantly before I'm able to even try to figure out how to use it. I've heard so many people touting how great it is, but I've given up trying it.
|