The Deliverer Has Come - overhaul, 4/14

It's good.
 
And I think she did an excellent job.
 
I would coach her to sing it as a lead singer? She has "a great voice!" But as a singer critiquing her? In places, she sounds like she's singing in a choir? Or a group? Vs. A lead singer, there is a different dynamic? It's difficult to describe, but it does exist. Again, she did a great job? And I believe she could sing it "as a lead singer?" It's not easy to define, teach, or most of all do.
And I guess this lets me off the hook to persue my current project? :-)

Thanks Robby.  Yeah, I think this is her first recording.  And she doesn't like singing lead.  And doesn't like the sound of her voice.    But she's a whole lot better than I am and I really love her voice.  AND she knows the song. :)  

Yeah, go for your next one.  I'm so ready for a new one too...

Nice job on this. I was wondering how you would mix this. 

I agree with Robby about the singer.  She sounds like the typical Sunday morning choir singer doing a solo/special music selection.   I think it becomes more of an attitude to sing solo as opposed to singing "properly" in a choir/choral setting where one is taught to sing "abnormally" in regards to pronunciation and precision as well as throat/head singing rather then from the heart and soul. 

This is good.... the writing aspect. Well done. I'll PM with private comments. 

Oh darn, I can't play it without signing into Facebook or Twitter.  Can you put up a link that doesn't require those actions?

Thanks Janet.  I was getting prompts to join Reverbnation or share this song on Facebook before I could listen to it.  As for the song, it comes through loud and clear here.  The vocal was plenty loud, and unlike James, I thought it was bright and lacking in warmth.  A different mic could be the answer, or adding some low mids would warm it up.  I didn't hear all the issues that James did, but that could simply be the difference in listening environments.  He's pretty reliable, and I value his comments a lot.  All in all, this is an inspired work.

great song Janet. you mix ain't bad, one of your better one. i agree with james in that the chorus could have 'bigger' orchestration, but certainly the drums help to delineate the chorus. the singer has a decent voice too. but for a congregation, this song is far too high! i recently had to change the key on a piece from Bb to G to make it singable.just a thought.

hi janet just wondering were you recorded this Dulcie has a nice voice and its a nice arrangement on my system the midrange frequencys are hot i know in church when every recording the mids would take control realy hard to do i don,t mean to be negative i like it   i wish i could sing    thanks for sharing  eric

I finally figured out how to hear it. Click on "All Songs" up on top there before the list, and all songs come up, and then you can play the song. Sorry, I will have to listen again, as all I could hear was drums in the one part I would not want. (I played percussion in junior and senior symphony orchestra at one time for a few years and do play drums and won awards if anyone wanted to know about when I was younger). Just my thought the drums overshadowed the song to me on those parts, as for the singer, I thought she sang it fine, needs some reverb some effects and the rest I will have to listen to again, and train myself not to listen to a certain part in it. You do not have to agree either, just my thoughts on it so far. After I found out how to even get it to play the song on another page that came up with the list of songs.

Thanks Lynn.  Yeah, I still find Reverbnation a little 'interesting' to navigate.  Sorry that it was a hassle.  Thanks for your comments.  I knew the mix still needed work, but I knew that if I came here, you guys could help me in ways I wouldn't even think of.  :)

Thanks for your thoughts, Mark. I did think about putting this in G instead of A, but that makes the verse too low.  (I hate it when people write songs with such a big range, and then I went and did it.  By the time I realized it, I couldn't think of a better way to write the verse.  I'll remember that next time!)  But IMO it's not too high for a congregation.  I spend quite a bit of time each week making sure the songs are in the best key....I never go above a D.  That's high for me, but not a soprano.  Many of the old hymns go up to an F or G.  Unreal!  Those were the days when everybody knew how to sing harmony and did.  Oh well.  :)  

Robby, see above. :)  I guess you'd have to sing harmony on this one.  :)  Songs that high tenors can sing easily usually have to be transposed for a congregation.  At least these days.  
Thanks Eric.  I recorded it in my bedroom studio.  I didn't even think about eq'ing her voice...I'm anxious to see how that will improve it.  

Hi Warren!  Yeah, there aren't so many 'specials' sung in many churches these days I guess.  I suppose this would be considered one of those a band does (on the radio, etc.) that just doesn't become a congregational song or praise and worship song or whatever you want to call it. I don't really know how those songs are labeled these days.  Anyway, fortunately my little group likes it and is willing to sing along.  :)  Anyway, glad you like it so far. I'm doing OK...busy with a hundred things it seems, but that's not exactly a bad thing I guess. :) Thanks for asking.  

Thank you very much, Spacealf!  Could you tell me which part you'd not like to hear the drums on?  I wondered if they were too loud.  It was late at night so I couldn't listen on the speakers....I know drums are supposed to be heard, but I obviously got carried away.  (at one point it seemed like EVERYTHING needed to be louder and the wave was already a brick.  That's when I realized I needed to back off and start over.  lol)  I will try your ideas about increasing the reverb, etc., too.  Thanks very much!  

It may also depend on what volume that you listen to the song at. Listening softer the drums don't seem to come out as loud. In the first parts he plays on the rim of the snare, but when he goes to hitting the snare fully (without playing on the rim) then he seems to get carried away with more afterbeats on the snare. Perhaps the snare just seems too loud then, but then I thought the bassdrum was a little loud when he is just hitting the rim of the snare on those parts (like first- second verse). I suppose the snare then is used on the chorus of the song and the rim parts on the verses. Perhaps a little more equalization volume if possible between the bassdrum, cymbals and snare parts if possible. Depends I guess. Perhaps the drums reverberate more on the song than the other parts of the song. Perhaps I got spoiled just listening on the coffee thread about Blackbird Studio C. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2529864 and the second link song there (post 43 on page2). Then again some days other people just ignore me, which is okay also.

Good job Janet.  You put lots into this song.  Good ideas about the production have been given above.  I would like piano and voice as the two prime areas of focal.  Vocal needs some PC2A and reverb.  Piano needs somes hi-mids for clarity.  Can't really feel the bass or kick.  How about some tracked harmony on the chorus?

Rimshot

Hi J., excellent song and arrangement, ending is a bit of a surprise : ). Maybe some tweaks in the mix ? Guitar and piano a smidge louder and a bit more reverb on that very nice vocal ? Well done Madam.

Rik

The music of the song sounded louder today while the drums did not seem as loud now. ?? Back to my corner. ------------------------------------------ rollin', rollin', rollin' Keep those Doggies rollin'! rollin', rollin' rollin' Rawhide. Through all kinds of weather, whether we're together, there ain't gonna be no red slime in my food!

Give me 1/2 an hour with that woman and she'd be singing like Janice Joplin...

Hi Janet,

Beautiful song.  I really like the arrangement and your playing and Dulcie's vocal sound great.

Very nice!