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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 02:00:01 (permalink)
People having their own preferences is just a fad. Eventually, you'll all realise I am correct about everything.

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 02:05:29 (permalink)
John T is twerking... And thinks masked sarcasm wins an argument.
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 02:10:24 (permalink)
Hmm I googled 'does masked sarcasm win an arguement' and came up with 6099 hits.

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 02:53:15 (permalink)
I'm not trying to "win an argument". I was parodying, and trying to make light of, your tiresome rudeness.

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 02:59:46 (permalink)
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Bring on Montey python.

Google 'cakewalk is made by aliens'... See I told you so..... Evidence!!!! A link from 2011 using a version of Cakewalk that didn't even have regionFX or melodyne bundled then really does not cut the mustard. I said with the latest version... Anyway...

I still don't understand why you are targeting Cakewalk programmers, vvocal is owned by Roland.

Oh I did make some recommendations earlier.... Choose to take them or not.

I suggest you keep using your old copy of vvocal for ever. You are clearly the vvocal god I bow to your almighty god like experience and superior intellect. Vvocal is probably nicer and far better looking than my girlfriend and will probably reduce starvation across the world. Surely you can't argue with that?

BTW I am Jesus and a part time super agent cowboy astronaut.

Ta

You are short on your own evidence. 
 
I have thirty-one thousand tweets on Twitter. I have several blogs with over 100 thousand views.
I have made many HD music videos some with over 100 thousand torrent downloads long before youtube offered HD videos. 
 
I am not targeting cakewalk programmers, I am targeting those who buy the apps and integrate them into Cakewalk.
 
Just as melodyne was/is integrated into Cakewalk. Someone made that decision and I am targeting THAT.
 
Don't I have a right as a user to express my opinion?
 
...your an astronaut alright CakeAlex and it is obvious to most people here.
 
So you like melodyne and I don't,
 
I think it is a fad, mostly hype and it is amateurish and that idea upsets you, well, too bad.
 
I am not in your threads making jokes about you, and I do see you boohooing about R-mix. Is R-mix really that vital as compared to a vocal wave editor?
 
Where are your fans? Where are your thousands of posts? Where are your hundreds of thousand of views? Where is your mass of music content?
 
Yet your opinion is supposed to sway me and others?
 
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Robert, if you don't want to read about me and my own "specs" it is quite simple, then don't...
 
I am not trying to alienate people here but i am just saying I have been to the rodeo a few times... If i could get beyond the insults and unproductive humor your just might learn something from me.
 
I remember holding a prototype of a full-duplex mode sound card in my hand way back in the early 80's. There were only two of them in the whole world. It was manufacture by Creative Labs. But that is another story for another day..
 
I have said enough and taken precious editing time away from my music so I could blather on here.
 
Go ahead, use melodyne to tune and edit your vocals, I dare you.... :) 
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 03:07:58 (permalink)
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I'm not trying to "win an argument". I was parodying, and trying to make light of, your tiresome rudeness.

 
And you thought to insult me with your own rudeness?
 
Apparently you are part of the melodyne twerkers...
 
 
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 03:19:35 (permalink)
I used both product before and even autotune.... Out of all of the V Vocal is superior. And all these new DAW Sonar X are getting the look of a video game... I still use sonar 6 because it has musical features an concept . Now these DAW just does the work for you making your music sound generic
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 03:22:22 (permalink)
CakeAlexS
Hmm I googled 'does masked sarcasm win an arguement' and came up with 6099 hits.

 
Maybe you'll find your "evidence" there too... :)
 
 
 
 
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 03:35:10 (permalink)
Good grief. What is wrong with some people?

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 03:44:19 (permalink)
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Good grief. What is wrong with some people?



Still twerking i see... If you insult me even more maybe the blue fairy will make melodyne usable. 
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 04:26:12 (permalink)
Ah, the magic of the block feature.
 
 

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 04:26:03 (permalink)
Ah, the magic of the block feature.
 
 

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 05:15:22 (permalink)
I just though I might add that i have watched the melodyne videos on YouTube I watched every one of them over nearly two years ago and i watched some of them recently and realized not much had changed. Melodyne does have some nice features as I said but those features are not the ones I use often. 
 
Wave to midi is an excellent feature that i may enjoy using from time to time, the ability to break chords into notes is a good feature I have been able to take out unwanted noises in sound but it only works about 25% of the time. The harmony feature is nice too but I sing my own harmonies so that is also not something I need. So that really only gives melodyne one feature, the wave to midi that I might use in a blue moon.
 
It is like buying car because it has a nice radio but it has no tires... As long as the radio works it is fine though.
 
Anybody here use Melodyne?
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Anybody-here-use-Melodyne-m606457.aspx
 
The twerkers come in and say how great melodyne is even if it does not work well... Blind loyalty does not good music make. 
Here is what recording "professionals" have to say about melodyne.
Then "tmrpros" comes into the discussion and says this:
 
Yes, Melodyne sucks...

...So does its Canadian Distributor for American distribution...

Use V-Vocal...



You asked...  
 
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Suddenly the melodyne twerkers are left dumbfounded.
 
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 06:14:52 (permalink)
Has anyone else noticed that the Sat Knob thread has gone quiet?

I use Melodyne and VVocal. Right tool for the right job.

Neither "suck".

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 06:28:14 (permalink)
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Has anyone else noticed that the Sat Knob thread has gone quiet?



Yes. Though I don't think this is LA2A under a different name. Sadly, there are numerous people like this.

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 06:29:25 (permalink)
With any luck, it's just a fad.

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 07:06:44 (permalink)
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With any luck, it's just a fad.


That's a good one!

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 07:10:13 (permalink)
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jb101
Has anyone else noticed that the Sat Knob thread has gone quiet?



Yes. Though I don't think this is LA2A under a different name. Sadly, there are numerous people like this.




Maybe they take it in turns..
 
Perhaps, as you say, it's just a fad.

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 07:59:12 (permalink)
Hi all i m in studio and i had not read all posts but i m in love with V Vocal for its streching ability especially.
i often use on bass and sax track too.
For me is awesome tool.
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 08:37:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby percepto 2014/11/10 08:24:04
I say use what works for you. V-Vocal still works and if you want it back in later versions it's between Cakewalk and Roland to work it out. Personally I'm much happier with Melodyne.

One thing that jumped out at me was that the OP said he "tuned" an entire take with both Melodyne and V-Vocal and then A/Bd them, preferring the V-Vocal version. It's a little unclear what he did exactly but from the phrasing I would assume he did a select-all and correct pitch operation. I would definitely not recommend this approach and it would definitely sound more processed than V-Vocal, because the latter (like autotune) has a "delay" so that it mostly fixes the sustain portion of the notes, whereas Melodyne simply centers the pitch of an entire blob on the closest note. This is a terrible misuse of Melodyne if going for realistic results though. I will take a properly manually Melodyned take over a V-Vocal one (auto or manual) 100 percent of the time.

As for Melodyne being buggy, I've personally had some instabilities (none clearly reproduceable) that I find hard to accept and I believe should be fixed (due to the ease of integration and the importance of vocal editing in any DAW), but none nearly as bad as with V-Vocal.

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 08:54:03 (permalink)
V-Vocal and Melodyne are third party products. I see no reason for complains to Cakewalk about them (till the integration part).
 
I am complete Noob in Music, and for me V-Vocal was crashing near every time I have tried to learn how to use it. That has not happened with Melodyne so far. Also I am more interested in polyphonic material, with which  V-Vocal is completely useless.

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 08:57:32 (permalink)
If you go back and look at my first two posts in this thread, the first was a way to retain V-VOcal from a prior release of Sonar.  The 2nd post immediately indicated it was 'not taking sides' in the discussion, and that if someone for whatever wanted to use or to not use V-Vocal, that their choice was fine and theirs to make.
 
I think where you think I began bashing you, is the following post I had made:
 
"Yeah?  Well, I invented ELECTRICITY :)
 Seriously, can we stop marking scent on all the bushes????
 I don't want to know who's got the bigger hard drive.
 The OP does not care for Melodyne - fine - cool.  Continue with V-Vocal - no problem, enjoy.
 How about moving on now?
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I would like to explain what my intent was - firstly it was directed at the entire set of posts from both sides of the discussion, because all of a sudden the entire thread had turned into a giant 'mine is bigger' kind of tone.  
 
But even in that, I still made the point that if YOU wanted to continue using V-Vocal that this was fine, and for you to continue to enjoy what it does for YOU.
 
And, that post had been an attempt to short-circuit the negativity in the thread and just move away from it.
 
At NO time in my comments had I deliberately taken a swipe at anyone in particular, and in fact DEFENDED your choice to want to use V-Vocal.
 
So, whatever discussion you choose to continue having with others, have at it, but please do not believe I meant to be part of any negative targeting toward you.
 
The thread turned quite nasty, and I hate seeing that, so I urged folks to 'move on', that's all.
 
And for whatever the worth - I LIKE V-Vocal, and think there are certain things it does that work for me.  I also like Melodyne, and do not believe it HAS to be an either/or situation.
 
Lastly, my specs are listed for any 'bragging' purposes.  There are plenty of folks out there with bigger and better systems.  As a matter of fact, 2 days ago, my 2nd display monitor (the 46" one bit the dust, AND i am just about to completely reload my DAW< because something is really wacky with the audio interface or with something else in the system, so my hardware is pretty precarious right now, at best.  I have 202 programs to reinstall, not to mention the OS, and potentially additional hardware on top of that.  I got nothing to brag about there.
 
My specs are listed so that if anyone is assisting me, they can get a snapshot of what kind of system I am running with, that's all.
 
Please understand I took no swings at you, and there are no reasons for you to take swings at me.
 
Good luck with your continued use of V-Vocal.  I will certainly continue to use it, where for me it makes sense to do so, and will use other tools as they make sense.
 
Edited to add: If anything I posted made you think I was swiping at you, please accept apologies - it's has NEVER been my nature in this forum to do that to someone, and I certainly did not intentionally do so in this thread.
 
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 08:57:53 (permalink)
V Vocal, Autotune, and Melodyne are simply 3 tools that are similar in many respects but different in others. Depending on the job you need to accomplish, one of those tools will excel and the rest probably won't.
 
I didn't read all the posts verbatim, but I did see some misguided comments.
 
When I'm on a job (day gig) and need a phillips screwdriver, my pliers or hammer won't get the job done. I need a screwdriver. Also grabbing a flathead, or a  torx screwdriver won't work even though it's a screwdriver..... and then there are the various sizes, because the job may call for a medium sized phillips driver, a small or large one won't work even though it's a phillips.   See my point?
 
So to say that V Vocal rules and melodyne is for amateurs is pure nonsense.  I don't use VV.  preferring instead,  Melodyne (full Editor version). I've used it for years and still learn things about it that I didn't know. I thought I saw that VV was a discontinued product. If that's the case, it's likely due to market forces not buying it and buying instead a competing product. Survival of the fittest so to speak, in the business world.
 
I'm not knocking VV because, honestly I never used it. I did have a serious look at the pitch correction software before I did lay my money down. For what I wanted, ME was the logical choice. I use ME because it gives me crystal clear fixes, with no artifacts and I don't hear at all where it "sucks the life out" of the vocals.  Where I use it, you can not tell that it was used.
 
I'm glad you found a way to use VV in your new DAW.
 
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 09:58:00 (permalink)
To the OP:
 
My prior experience with Melodyene and X3 was sketchy at in the past. But I kept reading how most on here was using it with no problems. I tweaked and pursued answers, but nothing worked.
 
Knowing it was my setup - I knew I had to make changes, so I did 2 things. First I upgraded my video card and noticed an improvement. But still some issues considering this daw is plenty strong. So I finally bit the bullet and re-installed my OS, Sonar, etc. over a weekend. What I found was I had about 50 gb of bloat that had built up over 5 years on that machine even though I constantly tried to maintain and housekeep that daw. (I also date back to DOS/Atari days with music software/tape/smpte,stc.)  Now that my daw  manages anything reasonable I can throw at it at low latency. Melodyne runs like a sports car. So this is just a suggestion, if it's been a while since you've had a clean OS install - it worked for me big time. 
 
On the subject of the offering of tuning software - I hear subtle changes to the original sound with both v-vocal and melodyne. No offense, but I find Melodyne much easier to use with less or I should say different artifacts than v-vocal. My melodyne gripe is two things - sometimes I do feel that some of the life of the track is missing after processing. I noticed this in particular when tuning bass guitar tracks and then a/b ing the tuned/orig. Also after bouncing a melodyne processed track (vox), the volume is usually lower than the original. Both of those issues could be operator error.
 
Also, from being in the business for awhile, there are many skilled and talented musicians and producers that aren't validated one way or the other by followers. There are several musicians out there that I would follow if they passionately focused on marketing. And there are several musicians out there that are focused on marketing that I wouldn't follow for pay. With that said, I can tell that you know how to operate a daw with ease which over time becomes quite simple for most of us. And I also believe that people like Alex could sit down with anybody and go chop for chop on Sonar even-though he's not banging his resume drum. If you hang around for awhile you'll see that he's got it going on and helps when he can. He has a sinse of humor that may or may not be to your liking. But he keeps it real and doesn't blow smoke up the back side when he writes here.
 
 
 

 
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 09:59:44 (permalink)
I heard that Slate Digital was going to buy V-Vocal and release it in VST, AU and whatever Avid uses formats. Slate Digital has the very best stuff ever...
 
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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 10:04:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2014/10/14 19:15:10
Some singers don't need either one, so they don't care.

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 10:51:54 (permalink)
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Now these DAW just does the work for you making your music sound generic


Machines don't kill music, people do :)

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 11:06:21 (permalink)
Anderton
Machines don't kill music, people do :)



I heard that!


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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 11:09:06 (permalink)
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I have three Twitter followers by the way.


I have 4!!!! ;)

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Re: The End of V-Vocal? 2014/07/11 11:09:52 (permalink)
RexRed
Instead of saying what everyone else is using perhaps you should try actually using these programs on daily basis then you might sing a different tune...

Instead of complaining about what everyone else is using perhaps you should stop using these programs on daily basis then you might learn to sing in tune...

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