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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 02:41:32
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☄ Helpfulby ch.huey 2018/03/26 03:17:40
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sharke Prediction: this thread will just end up as a continuation of the other two which got locked. People will stop by to voice their shopworn rants about being "ripped off" by the Lifetime Updates plan, others will chime in about how they hope BandLab doesn't turn Sonar into a toy for loop-dragging kids, and then the same old tired discussions about where Cakewalk went wrong will fire up. I hate to say it
Hello Sharke, I know that you are not a kind of guy that Chuck describes in his post above , an exception seems to be your last post. Hope you are doing well, Pragi
It was just a prediction, nothing more. Seems like any kind of "what does the future hold" thread turns into an orgy of the kind of comments described.
This is not a "What does the future hold thread." It is an attempt to encourage people to behave more civilly as they discuss the situation, with the hope that we won't look like such a band of losers that Bandlab will start thinking "What have we done," and just jettison this forum, start their own, and police it adequately, so it doesn't degenerate into the kind of snarkiness that has gotten 2 or 3 threads shut down here. Remember the incredible optimism we had when this news first broke? Where did it go? As the title implies, I think many of us are getting Cabin Fever (you have to live in a sub-arctic climate to understand it, but basically it's a kind of madness that occurs late in the season, when it's starting to look like Spring will never arrive). Well, it's just around the corner. (Unless you live down under, of course. But you get the idea).
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 02:44:57
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☄ Helpfulby sharke 2018/03/20 04:04:09
sharke People will stop by to voice their shopworn rants about being "ripped off" by the Lifetime Updates plan, others will chime in about how they hope BandLab doesn't turn Sonar into a toy for loop-dragging kids, and then the same old tired discussions about where Cakewalk went wrong will fire up.
And of course, the best one of all, which is that SONAR has really been profitable all along, and Bandlab should just restore SONAR unchanged, business as usual, raking in the profits and forget about all that younger generation nonsense. Hey, you whippersnappers, get yer hands off my DAW ... Kids these days.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 03:19:33
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sharke People will stop by to voice their shopworn rants about being "ripped off" by the Lifetime Updates plan, others will chime in about how they hope BandLab doesn't turn Sonar into a toy for loop-dragging kids, and then the same old tired discussions about where Cakewalk went wrong will fire up.
And of course, the best one of all, which is that SONAR has really been profitable all along, and Bandlab should just restore SONAR unchanged, business as usual, raking in the profits and forget about all that younger generation nonsense. Hey, you whippersnappers, get yer hands off my DAW ... Kids these days.
Ha ! Now we're havin' some fun again (compared to those dark November forum days) I say Bandlab "take your time", but "don't take too long" I just think it should be done right, it's going to be tricky getting back into the competitive DAW wars again. but . . . if too much time goes by, most will have spent money and committed elsewhere, many already have. Bandlab and the new Bandbakers certainly have their work cut out for themselves.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 04:55:24
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Agree with all, except, BandLab is not our boss. We are their customers, and they should be focused on keeping us as just that. It is not Bandlabs fault for any of Gibson/Cakewalk’s promises not kept. I have moved on to another DAW, but I will certainly give BandLab a shot at retaining my business. After all, they stepped up after we all watched the collapse and eminent demise of our beloved Sonar.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 05:04:22
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noynekker I just think it should be done right, it's going to be tricky getting back into the competitive DAW wars again. but . . . if too much time goes by, most will have spent money and committed elsewhere, many already have. Bandlab and the new Bandbakers certainly have their work cut out for themselves.
I agree except that, while I like, appreciate and admire most of the long-time users here who have a wealth of experience, I really think the existing base isn't commercially very significant. Mr. Meng has indicated an intention to be generous to the existing base to keep them involved with the product. I believe that is wise. The user base is an asset, but as an in-kind thing for product support, not as a major revenue source. This business will only work by attracting in a new generation of users. The product is well below critical mass today. It is clear that Mr. Meng has done some daring, innovative things already, so I look forward to where this goes.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 05:10:51
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could be putting the DAW at the centre of the Garden for it to go missing, is not the right place for it to be put?...just like money is not the centre piece...to restore onto...life...was it a tree, or a bush?...just to make sure....it was nothing atomically ununtainium undone by the doers...should put back properly by a certain method sown...in a certain way...amends all things when done by those who did do the altering of....Freely having food, and safe keepings of the kids!...pondering the fisher king....is something missing in action, because of ....bribery using...might be something we all start to ponder how old this method is of them being used to make futures...always having problems to solve for........perhaps...might be behind the wars now needed, or are addicted to make in all things, with all things...altering the proper for improper born under it?///....if the be twisted...what makes them be twisted?..and go to ruin,,much.....always warring is not the true way to peace health and happiness...yet here we go...and they never say sorry with trillions, still not enough!...so toss in what is not asked for instead...give a chicken..or a squirrel..etc...makes me laugh just imagining the tax man opening the box,...lol
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 05:12:50
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Mr. Meng eh! Is it Mr. Noel too?
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 10:31:54
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michael diemer [...] As the title implies, I think many of us are getting Cabin Fever (you have to live in a sub-arctic climate to understand it, but basically it's a kind of madness that occurs late in the season, when it's starting to look like Spring will never arrive). Well, it's just around the corner. (Unless you live down under, of course. But you get the idea).
Thanks for expanding my vocabulary with this useful new word, I live in Norway ... and now I have a better way of describing how I feel :) Cabin fever, definitely.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 12:44:32
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Kamikaze Mr. Meng eh! Is it Mr. Noel too?
Sure, if you like. I don't think Mr. Noel would be offended. But I get your point. His family name is Kuok, so the western way to address him might be Mr. Kuok.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 13:01:38
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InstrEd On a serious note, I am looking forward to see what direction BandLab takes the rebranded Sonar.
Exactly! They will need our full support. BandLab is still a startup, that is only funded through 2018... They will need to start making money at some point! I will just be happy to see Sonar continue in ANY form, as I had been resigned to no more Sonar development at all at the end of last year.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 13:33:22
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☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2018/03/20 14:16:31
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 13:52:01
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They are to change the name and branding. Means, the logo and plating to change. All the help files, documentation and such to match. This is for the pre-existing Sonar. Next, any bugs which may have been scheduled to be addressed or minor update. Then, some new stuff with the launch. Hopefully it will be worth the wait.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 16:21:51
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pfossi Agree with all, except, BandLab is not our boss. We are their customers, and they should be focused on keeping us as just that. It is not Bandlabs fault for any of Gibson/Cakewalk’s promises not kept. I have moved on to another DAW, but I will certainly give BandLab a shot at retaining my business. After all, they stepped up after we all watched the collapse and eminent demise of our beloved Sonar.
With respect to the product, yes. I was referring to the forum, which I assume they will be running. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 16:29:51
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sharke …, others will chime in about how they hope BandLab doesn't turn Sonar into a toy for loop-dragging kids…. And of course, the best one of all, which is that SONAR has really been profitable all along, and Bandlab should just restore SONAR unchanged, business as usual, raking in the profits and forget about all that younger generation nonsense. Hey, you whippersnappers, get yer hands off my DAW ... Kids these days.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
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☄ Helpfulby Keni 2018/03/20 17:22:28
michael diemer This is not a "What does the future hold thread." It is an attempt to encourage people to behave more civilly as they discuss the situation.
Absolutely. It's been less than a month since the announcement! I'm sure BandLab has to do a lot of work behind the scenes to complete the transition to new owners. IMHO the best way to use this forum is the way it has always served us best - sharing ways to get the most out of Sonar. We know all the important points: Sonar will continue, it will remain a desktop app, it was purchased to expand BandLab's offerings, and the company appreciates the loyal user base. That answered my questions...back to music .
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 19:23:59
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Mmmmmmm. getting the urge to buy another guitar again. All this excitement.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 20:23:23
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royarn Mmmmmmm. getting the urge to buy another guitar again. All this excitement.
Another geetar is just another instrument. All are welcome
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 20:29:30
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michael diemer This is not a "What does the future hold thread." It is an attempt to encourage people to behave more civilly as they discuss the situation.
Absolutely. It's been less than a month since the announcement! I'm sure BandLab has to do a lot of work behind the scenes to complete the transition to new owners. IMHO the best way to use this forum is the way it has always served us best - sharing ways to get the most out of Sonar. We know all the important points: Sonar will continue, it will remain a desktop app, it was purchased to expand BandLab's offerings, and the company appreciates the loyal user base. That answered my questions...back to music .
Sorry to burst your bubble but it will not be called Sonar.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 20:32:26
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/03/20 20:32:51
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SteveStrummerUK So ..................................... you're saying it's not a subscription?
NO!!! Not a subscription. Not a "Lifetime Platinum updates" either!
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 20:37:35
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michael diemer This is not a "What does the future hold thread." It is an attempt to encourage people to behave more civilly as they discuss the situation.
Absolutely. It's been less than a month since the announcement! I'm sure BandLab has to do a lot of work behind the scenes to complete the transition to new owners. IMHO the best way to use this forum is the way it has always served us best - sharing ways to get the most out of Sonar. We know all the important points: Sonar will continue, it will remain a desktop app, it was purchased to expand BandLab's offerings, and the company appreciates the loyal user base. That answered my questions...back to music .
Sorry to burst your bubble but it will not be called Sonar.
That's the least important sentence in that post What comes next (that no-one knows here so far) is the important part of the whole equation. We'll all know soon enough, is my guess.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/20 22:11:05
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dappa1
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michael diemer This is not a "What does the future hold thread." It is an attempt to encourage people to behave more civilly as they discuss the situation.
Absolutely. It's been less than a month since the announcement! I'm sure BandLab has to do a lot of work behind the scenes to complete the transition to new owners. IMHO the best way to use this forum is the way it has always served us best - sharing ways to get the most out of Sonar. We know all the important points: Sonar will continue, it will remain a desktop app, it was purchased to expand BandLab's offerings, and the company appreciates the loyal user base. That answered my questions...back to music .
Sorry to burst your bubble but it will not be called Sonar.
I'm pretty sure Craig already knows that
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/21 06:27:27
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☄ Helpfulby tobiaslindahl 2018/03/21 10:13:25
michael diemer Two threads locked, one of them the main discussion thread for the hugely anticipated rebirth of Sonar. It appears to me that folks are getting just a bit antsy. Perhaps cabin fever plays a role also; it certainly is bad where I live this time of year. Can we all take a few deep breaths, step back a pace or two, and wait like good Ladies and Gentlemen, for the roll-out of Sonar's successor? I know emotions run deep in all kinds of ways here. But this bickering about things we have no control over, which are simply going to be whatever BandLab decides they're going to be; is not only unseemly in itself, but is the last thing BandLab needs to see as it works on delivering this baby. Doesn't exactly make us look good. In a way, they're going to be our new bosses. We need to put forth a better image here. We're acting like spoiled children (well, some of us are), who had their toy taken away, have just heard they will be getting it back, and can't manage to delay their gratification for a few more weeks. We're adults, not children, so let's start acting like it. This forum is a wonderful place, and it's going to continue, along with Sonar. What's not to like about that?
I'm using "The DAW Formerly Known As SONAR" to make music. What are all of you up to? Actually, the DAW I'm currently using is still known as SONAR. And it is still useful for making music - so I'm using it.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/21 08:27:43
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pfossi Agree with all, except, BandLab is not our boss. We are their customers, and they should be focused on keeping us as just that. It is not Bandlabs fault for any of Gibson/Cakewalk’s promises not kept. I have moved on to another DAW, but I will certainly give BandLab a shot at retaining my business. After all, they stepped up after we all watched the collapse and eminent demise of our beloved Sonar.
Best, most 'Doggone' comment I've heard for some time. A most insightful and pragmatic input ................... Cheers to you PFOSSI
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
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Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking. ~John Maynard Keynes Coming from the guy who made the FAQ You comment, which was actually nothing more than an artfully playful and really humorous triple edged sward, which let the reader decide what it meant depending on mood, hostility, sense of humor, and or their lack of. LoL Sometimes words need to be a little wild to assault incessant fear mongering with baseless claims of impending doom as well. Especially when it pertains to conflated speculations that are none of our business, and or things we have absolutely no control over.A nd certainly has absolutely effect on the form and functionality of SONAR, ya know, the very reason for the existence of this forum in the first place? I also believe it’s healthy to honestly and frequently ask yourself questions about your own goals and motives. I know it helps me to identify the differences between the things I’d like to believe are factual not always aligned with the truth. And that helps me in my efforts to achieve my goal to not make the same mistakes again. So if you want to point fingers and believe I am personally responsible for having a very over cooked forum thread locked? You are of course as free to do so as I am for seeing the humor in you taking such an offended posture and pointless position without anything to gain? You might really want to consider honestly asking yourself why???? Trust me, it's only terrifying the first time you honestly give it a try, and hurts less and less the more times you practice.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/21 16:45:50
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Again, the purpose of this thread was to encourage us to be patient, and definitely not to point fingers at anyone. I'm pretty sure I've had threads closed for things I said. It's no big deal. The mods do what they feel they have to do, like all mods. Also, I think it's in our interest to present a decent face, so to speak, to our new associates. No, not owners. I didn't say that, I said "in a sense they are our new owners." As has been pointed out, we don't own our software, we get a license to use it. And we definitely won't own the forum. They will, and they may be less tolerant of endless bickering about things that don't matter anymore. It was way back in November that "the news" hit. Many of us were devastated. We tried and purchased other software. We resolved to use sonar as is forever. Some had different reactions; they may even have been amused how "hard" the rest of us were taking it; after all it's just software, etc. And that is fine, perfectly valid. People are different. Viva la difference. So, maybe we can hang in there a bit longer. Let me tell you, three Nor'easters in a row up here in New England, has me wild with cabin fever, when most of the rest of the country is bathed in cherry blossoms, or at least has a few daffodils popping up. But I know that Spring will bring me not just flowers and gentle breezes from the South, but a new Sonar rising from the ashes. P.S. Our fourth Nor'easter is due to arrive in a few hours. If I can hang in there, you can too.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/21 17:26:26
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michael diemer Again, the purpose of this thread was to encourage us to be patient, and definitely not to point fingers at anyone. I'm pretty sure I've had threads closed for things I said. It's no big deal. The mods do what they feel they have to do, like all mods. Also, I think it's in our interest to present a decent face, so to speak, to our new associates. No, not owners. I didn't say that, I said "in a sense they are our new owners." As has been pointed out, we don't own our software, we get a license to use it. And we definitely won't own the forum. They will, and they may be less tolerant of endless bickering about things that don't matter anymore. It was way back in November that "the news" hit. Many of us were devastated. We tried and purchased other software. We resolved to use sonar as is forever. Some had different reactions; they may even have been amused how "hard" the rest of us were taking it; after all it's just software, etc. And that is fine, perfectly valid. People are different. Viva la difference. So, maybe we can hang in there a bit longer. Let me tell you, three Nor'easters in a row up here in New England, has me wild with cabin fever, when most of the rest of the country is bathed in cherry blossoms, or at least has a few daffodils popping up. But I know that Spring will bring me not just flowers and gentle breezes from the South, but a new Sonar rising from the ashes. P.S. Our fourth Nor'easter is due to arrive in a few hours. If I can hang in there, you can too.
Cool bro, chilly, breath in, breathe out, maybe you can use SONAR to write a song or 10 about that. Always worked for me.
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/21 17:28:04
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Hmmmmm, I wonder what's on Jimmy Buffet's mind???
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/21 17:35:46
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Steev Hmmmmm, I wonder what's on Jimmy Buffet's mind???
One thing that is certain, it's definitely NOT a Nor'easter, LOL!!!
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/21 19:05:46
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Almost as if.....prediction.....coming true......
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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
2018/03/22 08:17:49
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Steev Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking. ~John Maynard Keynes Thanks for this great quote, the world makes more sense to me after reading it. Appreciate your writing, and was wondering about one thing. In some other post you where using the word "Procrastination Station" which I think is great ! Is it your own invention ? Would it be OK if I used as a title for a song ? Currently the working title is "Computer ate my life" ... but "Procrastination Station" would be better as a title. Regard, Sven
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