Pretty perceptive post there. IMHO what turned things around for MS was when they replaced the desktop team with the mobile team. The desktop team couldn't figure out how to get small, but the mobile team could figure out how to get big.
 
MS is looking pretty good these days...

cparmerlee Under Ballmer's watch, he pushed Microsoft to believe that people actually wanted desktop machines to work exactly like phones, and that whole "Metro" app thing almost did Microsoft in. (I am talking the end user side of Microsoft.  The "corporate" side was always strong, anchored by SQL server and related products.)
 
But it does seem that Microsoft has learned an important lesson.  That is, while desktops may not be sexy or a high growth area, they are vital to a large number of applications and failure in that area reflects badly on everything else Microsoft tries to do.  Not coincidentally, about the same time, Microsoft figured out nobody even wanted phones to work the way Microsoft envisioned them, let alone forcing that framework on the desktop systems.

i know, metro, wtf were they thinking?? especially when there's only 3 people in the whole world who use windows phone... idiots... thank goodness they turned it around

tlw

cparmerlee

The iMac Pro that's been announced as launching in December looks interesting as well. Probably cost a fortune though. It will be interesting to see if the very long in the tooth and very expensive "wastebin" style Mac Pro is the last of a separate "Pro" line from the iMacs.

 
iMac Pro...LOL!

Looks like not very succesfull port with virtual windows environment (or sth like that?)
Bugs were noticed:
1. Can't rename track. (hotkeys always pressed)
2. No event list (alt + 8)?

This thread is like Jon Snow.
 
Just when you thought he was dead, his eyes open again.

Good to be informed and appreciate the honesty.
Well no mac for me then !

it was a crazy (crazy!) idea right from the get-go... i wonder who at cake (or roland at the time) thought it was do-able??

Oh and I learnt ...it is possible to make a PC run OSX...depending on the hardware...So, might go there to fix the x99s and see what happens when the RMA of my boards comes to reason it out.
 
Hackintosh!....whoop!.
 
Now I am not a fan boy for MAC...I just wanted something that would work with my invested interests of gear I bought already.
 
Unfortunately...MS has been behind most of my builds in PC form....no wonder so many bugs until...was it Xp and win 7....Since windows and windows 95....Well how much money is in that sold as OS marketing for bugs ...save save save...and blue screens and such , loss of productivity....Got a gripe, solved some problems, got a lot of people coding apps for...Pushed to vista...for a unknown reason..and then 7, to find some bliss depending on what is needed to be done...then win 8, and 8.1 to fix some of,...and pushed to 10, some willingly, some not but finding it upon them regardless...
 
Now, when this occurs ..And updates follow, and you know not how to , or where they moved things, or how to address the tools or switches...and the machine will not boot...and the bios is buggy....
 
Something went wrong with the OS and drivers.
 
Old gear is old gear...New gear is?...X99....Now when new gear is not so developed, but you paid for the new....And the new OS, is not designed or, it makes a mistake putting in something that is not addressing the workings of proper....It can break the machine it is put on.
 
Now, if I took a MS OS...and tried to install this on a MAC...it would not work...although it is a OS...most likely because in the cab files, the mappings of the machine are not available in the cabs....so, as said, when installing all standard drivers should work on..or of older known hardware, is put....But newer Hardware is questionable at best.
 
This is where, a unknown should be put in devices..
But MS wants to put a standard chipset, and perhaps a standard memory allocation, and perhaps standard video card and sound drivers...with Sata and such...surely to work with.
 
Then getting those things setup.
 
Install the latest drivers and firmware...bios..and such first....might make OS be out of date in cab resources...So while MS OS sets up the base, I am sure it checks for internet connection and installs a basic driver for it....So while installation is happening...it might find device drivers applicable for the new gear and drivers for...But it installed a basic Internet connection driver to do so?
 
Now from my experience with issues and internet onboard nics...I have always witnessed issues with audio devices.
 
Perhaps that might be one of the problems...MS is doing when installing its OS to the machine...which then his a hidden driver first put...(and the user puts a secondary when booted for the first time)...and it is not properly removed parts of the first driver MS put into use...So, I get a conflict with the Mother Board driver from the Manufacturer....
 
So...MS is a bit screwy here.
 
MS is not the only OS for PC...  That was my Point...So many use Linux..even Dos is a OS...most are based upon.
 
Even Gem is a OS...and someone bought out the other one someone was making for audio...To snuff it!
 
BEOS.
 
So do not be fooled by those saying MS is top dog in PC land...for it is not as they say either!
 
 
Just saying...I put it in the sticky when, and if any remember...if it is still there?....not my doing!
 
Put the daw on any other OS for PC parts....might improve the reliable stable aspect more so...Even on MAC...if possible, or make one OS to run the Application alone....Liken Korg's Kronos is running on Linux based...it has a sequencer, and 16 tracks of audio, has a PC motherboard...memory and a ssd....interesting saying it can be done.....why is it not done as a back up plan?...We all know to save save save the day...but if the install breaks down on MS OS and does not boot...and then is tied to the update and wait, if not updates are there....makes all the MS OS backups redundant.....So, where to bat man?....Back to the bat cave Robin...Eh?
 
So as to make many versions on many platforms....Might save a day..and get something done....
 
Now if the update breaks the machine...And I fixed a few laptops brought to me because of MS windows 10 just installing on their machines without their permissions.....Which, MS was to evaluate before installing any part or prime Premise ....But did do the dirty deed....Then, I regret to say, this is mandated sabotage of many!
 
I did say...It is not CW fault...and I stand by that most dearly!
 
It is not the only OS that runs PC parts!...So let us stop the fibs...and we can see sabotage of other OS makers bought out by...so they are on top...but do not deserve that place, if....They put bugs into on purpose, and then sell technical support for....Because no one can figure it out.
 
Now if I let them try to undo what they did do...And they cannot do it....How can anyone else?
I got the chat and sessions saved on some...of the remote views....MS did do, and CW tried to set up....Still no glory.
 
How the hell am I supposed to fix it?...And they say, you have to wait until we fix it here....Well, sold as win 10 pro I bought when the free thing was being pushed down the pipe.
 
So, it is not ready for release...But they release it, and sell it...with Bugs in it, and if not...they sure sent some down that pipe line...When I know I selected, let me decide when to install any updates.
 
Seems that got reset...and a lot of other things went to default...
 
Now that is not nice at all...and the spooling and sending...and turning my machine into game platform is not what I wanted it for....They did soon after.
 
Insulting my understanding of what a OS should be...is now a storefront into my home!
One thing different with this store....It seems MS store does not return what they sell...and if it breaks anything in your home, they cannot be held liable for.
But if you break their code...You can be?
 
That is what is going on!....fare?..Nope, and it cost, and cost and cost much broken gear...so more is bought!
 
 
Cash cow....No matter how you spin it...That is exactly what it is on all side really....
 
So what works...is the way..if it does not work...you have to find a solution to problem.
 
Now,...in my understanding of what makes music...Machine really has no part to play in that...If I live, I can play music without a machine, and make music written down on paper with a pencil or other mediums....People make things...people breaks things...but in all honesty ...it does not have to be, as they market it to be paid....and you need not pay...if you have more so more ways to make it freely so done...If it be the way to making it proper as music...
 
Now a good scribe, that does not lie or make changes to..or screwup what is done....so it stays as done right...needs be?.
 
Well that is why we have memory in our own designed bodies of Brains.
 
But, If I sign a agreement to use, something, and it is supposed to be proper when sold as a OPERATING SYSTEM PROPER...AND THE APPS TO RUN ON IT, ALSO SOLD SAYING IT WORKS WITH.
 
And then, only on internet connections , are the techs put of users...and a phone number to call.
What if non of these things are available when bought?
 
well snail mail?.
 
again all the tweaks and try this or try that...eh?
 
I wonder if, it is just a shamoo.....seems like it is?...or is it?
 
 
Well another well to do thread...about nothing important...and no one likes what I post....Because he said...They hated me before they hated you for saying it like it is.
 
And, some might agree, or find a witnessing....exactly what I said has happened....No one could double or redo, so it is not as I said?...And then, they say what I said...and some say they like what he said...but not what I said...which is the same thing.
 
MS windows is causing issues with many things!....Why?...so yo go buy more things...more things..more buying!
 
And that is all it is about.
 
I said so!
 
So what is being done is, you are depending on machines to do...what you can do with out them already.
 
He said you have conquered them, for it is already in you, how to be the machine, was solved...God made Humans to do all things!
 
 
Don't forget that truth people!....Trust worthy and true!....Is the method!
 
 
 
Cheers!
 
 

Oh one more thing he said..."I give you everything"...I surely ponder it more so as Thank You lord...for those Gifts given me....sow , till and make more of the givens...freely sowed, freely harvested, freely in good tidings...freely restored...is a way...said was...was not...but is to come!....No worries eh?...rub rub...a dub!...what is falling now?...or are they getting ready to make fall....is all tied to something bent and wicked...He said he did not make!

timp410
You mean to tell us that you bought a lifetime membership on a promise for a Alpha version...incredible! 

I know its not funny, more bizarre if anything. but this ^^^  is so true.
 

Apparently Keni has a "Mac Version" of SONAR that runs just fine...as do many other people.
 
The days of PPC are over. If you want to make music, get an appliance and run SONAR on it. Doesn't matter if the appliance has a Mac logo or something else.

How many other people are saying bugs are happening?...count them yet?
Oh and what constitutes Sonar Alpha as a Platinum?...if it is not all ...then it is not ported proper all as...is on one, is on the other working as ....
 
that is why you cannot say Mr Anderton it is a Mac version of SONAR...as it is not....see how we lie and do not even see we do?.
 
That is what makes this solving for so hard.
 
 
They will not admit it....just to save face some do...not knowing they do, and some say...because it pays them to say it..and some believe in the lies told more so then the truth....
 
 
Carry on our wayward sons (and daughters all getting ills and worries in the world of flesh, and organ removal sold, with the blood and waters tainting, and the dome being sabotaged , so it is not blue, and good deeded needed now doctors injecting in the dumb dumb juice, to make seedless and sterilize many, for more selling of seeds to one ideal anti so you have not even a seed to sow , not letting the other be untainted with seed or sin,..in them, there will be peace when sins are gone....and it is as he said...seeds in them fruits be...)
Lay your weary head to rest,...Don't you cry no more....
 
 
 
So what is Anti...is happening!
 
 
 
 
 
But they do not believe, because they do not believe it could be?...But is!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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kzmaier
Very pleased with the commitment to the windows platform!!!
 
Doing one platform great is much better than 2 platforms not so...

My sentiments completely. Thank you Cakewalk for showing transparency and honesty. I look forward to the future with much more confidence in Cakewalk / Sonar. I think the future is bright for music / PC / Windows / Sonar.
 
JCB

pwalpwal
it was a crazy (crazy!) idea right from the get-go... i wonder who at cake (or roland at the time) thought it was do-able??

I do not think Codewavers approach was crazy:
a) I run X2/X3 under Linux/Wine. The beta runs under OSX/Wine and it works. I hope someone someday understand why Platinum silently exit in that environment (my current guess - the copy protection introduces in Platinum...). Not as good as "native", some glitches, but it works. So, it is doable!
b) all multi-platform plug-ins/programs are compiled from the same code. They usually use specialized API behind, but Codewavers have made a big part of standard Windows API behave like a multi-planform API. So the approach itself technically proved to be quite usable.
 
I wish someone from CW continues with the approach. May be not official, but in general working under Linux/OSX Sonar can be handy (f.e. quick open something without reboot for users, trace behavior in completely different environment for devs). And I do not think that is extremely time consuming, especially if codewavers direct relations are not dropped. 

During the era of PowerPC + OS9 vs Intel DOS/Windows 95 vs Something + Uni*, I could agree. But today the hardware is effectively the same, memory model and process scheduling, driven by the platform, has also merged between Linux/BSD/Windows. The graphics, while still having historical roots in a bit different approaches of X servers, Win32 API, etc. also has common factors, again driven by the same hardware capabilities.