Jose7822


Just wanted to bump this thread since I see a few people could benefit from the information provided (especially points 3, 4 and 9). 
 
If you have a FireWire interface, point (4) will be of GREAT benefit.

HTH

Does anyone know if this is relevant with the Presonus Firebox?

....and is it essential to do this procedure BEFORE you install the 64bit Firebox drivers?

From what I gather the problem with the drivers is that when writing to disc/ recording takes the W7 firewire drivers are not doing the trick...you might get dropouts and failures...is that correct? So going to the Legacy drivers is the thing to do that fixes it...

thanks Jose

Hey Guys!!!!

First off thanks to Jose for starting such an awesome thread!:D

I was hopeing some one could help me out with my problem ?

I have been haveing latency problems Useing the dpc checker I had done a buch of tweeks beore I was linked to this thread to day the results were ....
In windows 165 max average about 90 and in sonar it was 617 max/150 average It was going up and down lots and I had ben told that wasnt right so anyway

I just finished doing all the tweeks at the begining of the forum and I now have a better reading it is in windows 138 max/average100 so looks not bad its not jumping up and down as bad
In sonar its 294max/122 average and again it looks almost like a gren line across the screen rather than jumping al over the place.

I have just noticed though that.....

Me being a dum ass just noticed when I was installing the drivers I added all the utillitys from the disk

Do you think It could be them causeing the problem ?
I also still have the 100MB System Reserved partition on the main drive could this be causeing the latency to be at this level aswell ?

Tomorrow I am going to do another clean Install of windows 7 home x64 and Just follow everything on the thread bit by bit and not have the System reserve or install any of the utillitys from the drivers disk

I just need to figure out what exactly I have to install from the Disk so I dont mess up again.

One last question I hope a few people could clear up for me ?
What should I be aiming for in the dpc checker I was told with my system specs I should be exspecting a max of around 20 average about 10 ?

If this is the case its still far to high ;(

Could any one confurm if this is true ?

Thanks again for a great thread and I hope some of you can jump in and answer my questions

Sorry about the long post though guys

Take care

Norrie

Thanks man! Finaly so encorageing words from some one :D

I have just started my fresh in stall then I will be be going through this thread from the start

It should be happy daus after that

I will post how I get on

Thanks again :D

Norrie

You can try experimenting with eliminating the System Reserved partition to see if it makes things better,

I take the approach - if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it (corollary: because you'll end up screwing it up worse than when you started).
IMHO, So many people make these unnecessary "tweaks" and later post to this forum that Sonar sucks because they have some arcane problem.
 
My strong advice to anyone is:
Buy the best high-quality engineered computer & audio interface you can afford, put full Sonar on it, avoid where possible adding other toys and "free" things (of course, free is only in name - you WILL pay for this with you time and unproductivity), and then "shut your mouth :-O, open your ears" as you produce incredible music!

Sijel

You can try experimenting with eliminating the System Reserved partition to see if it makes things better,
I take the approach - if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it (corollary: because you'll end up screwing it up worse than when you started).
IMHO, So many people make these unnecessary "tweaks" and later post to this forum that Sonar sucks because they have some arcane problem.

 
I don't need the System Reserved partition and it certainly didn't harm my system.  It's been almost a year since I created this thread, and so far no problems at all.
 

My strong advice to anyone is:
Buy the best high-quality engineered computer & audio interface you can afford, put full Sonar on it, avoid where possible adding other toys and "free" things (of course, free is only in name - you WILL pay for this with you time and unproductivity), and then "shut your mouth :-O, open your ears" as you produce incredible music!

 
I agree that modern systems don't benefit as much from the tweaks we used to perform on Windows XP and earlier.  But the same warnings still apply (and I did start the thread with one).  If you don't feel competent performing some (or any) of the tweaks shown in here then don't do 'em, cause you're on your own if anything goes wrong.  It used to be marked in bright red font, but the forum software is not letting me add formating anymore.  I actually lost a big chunk of information (as you could see in earlier posts) trying to make the OP more readable.  Fortunately, I was able to get all of it back thanks to a few helpful people who were kind enough to retrieve or store the information elsewhere.  In any case, tweaking a system can still yield benefits, as Norrie has shown.  He's system's latency was peaking all over the place and it's now is stable after performing some tweaks ;-)
 
 
Take care!

Jose!

You are a star!

Thanks I am so glad some one could finaly tell me if what I had was ok or if I should keep trying to get it lower

To be honest ive done so much that I dont feel there is anything else I could do

Some one on another thread I cant remember where though did tell me I should be exspecting about !15/10 in windows and about 80/50 with sonar playing and there speks were a lot lower than mine so it had me very confused (I think they might have been trying to confuse me or there very lucky to have such low levels)

I chose all the parts for my computer specificaly wantin the best performance and I have enough room for another 4 X 4GB strips of ocz gold that will give me a total of 24 gig of ram haha

I know its a bit over kill but I use all the superior drummer programs and they are ram based

I just feel if the computer can take it then do it :D

Sorry I was way off track there!

Anyway as Sijel said......

My strong advice to anyone is:
Buy the best high-quality engineered computer & audio interface you can afford, put full Sonar on it, avoid where possible adding other toys and "free" things (of course, free is only in name - you WILL pay for this with you time and unproductivity), and then "shut your mouth :-O, open your ears" as you produce incredible music!


I can agree with him on this buy the best you can aford but in my case I did that and look what happend to me nothing but problems this is now my 3rd cleen reinstall of everything and I followed everything on this thread that Jose said!

Luck for me this time I am bing told my readings are good.

My point I was trying to make was just becasue you can aford somethin good isnt going to insure 100% performance.

If it wasnt for this thread I would still be pulling my hair out now I am siting here realxed at 3 oclock in the morning looking forward to sleep and a nice day of mixing on an awesome system tomorow with no problems.

The only advice I could offer anyone would be If they are haveing problems try all the steps Jose stated at the top of the thread....... Back your stuff up!

Whats the worst that could happen ? You could spend a day like I did carefully checking things and have a fantastic system

Dont be scared Nothing is ever so bad it cant be fixed just make sure you back up anything important.

Sorry guys I am rambleing now I will leave the guys who know what there talking about to talk now.

Once again thanks for the thread Jose its awesome and really has helped me out like you say if the readings I am geting are good!!!!!

Thank you

Norrie

No problem Norrie.

Let us know how the system is behaving when you do actually run it through its paces.  I'm sure you'll be happy :-)


Take care!


P.S.  I think one of the few people who can get readings that low is Jim Roseberry from Studio Cat (But he's a Pro DAW builder).  It's really hard otherwise, unless you're on XP.

Norrie

Some one on another thread I cant remember where though did tell me I should be exspecting about !15/10 in windows and about 80/50 with sonar playing and there speks were a lot lower than mine so it had me very confused (I think they might have been trying to confuse me or there very lucky to have such low levels)

Norrie,
That was me and I didn't say you should expect, I said I would expect and I quote:
Mine is an I7 860 and my spikes are at 84 with average around 10 in Win7-64 and spikes at 102 with average around 20 in WinXP-32

That is what I'm getting and I wasn't trying to confuse you so please don't accuse me of that, after all, I'm the one who turned you on to this thread and helped you with your midi extraction from your pt (keep us safe) project. I've also done additional things/tweaks like turn off network crawling in XP (since I have my network card enabled). I've learned a quite a few things about tuning a DAW in XP to squeeze performance out of it because I was using a Pentium D for quite awhile before building my I7 860. Win 7 is something I'm slowly getting into and I haven't done much to tune that because I'm getting great performance right from the start.

Haha I do double posts all the time by accidents

Hey man sorry If you took it as If I was acusing you of sonfuseing me some times I dont get my words right I have just been geting realy confused by it al and had no Idea what to aim for

Norrie

For any one Interested Toontracks EZ Mix works great in 64 bit I bought it today :D

Is the 64-bit version of Sonar just all full of trouble? Should I just reinstall everything in 32-bit and forget 64-bit? What are the cons? Loss of quality?

Half of DropZone's .prog files don't play (unless missing the wavs has something to do with that... customer service has yet to give a satisfactory answer to that conundrum), Pentagon won't insert the synth... Is 64-bit worth the hassel at all?

Jose or any one could you help answer this question.

Its about my DPC checker

I have noticed in windows its siting a max of 80! then in task manager under prosseses a crss.exe file comes up twice and causes the DPS to go up to about 120

The description of the CRSS.exe is Client services

Could any one tell me what this is ? If I need it and If I dont how to get rid of it please ?

Thanks to every one :)

Norrie

Jose7822


Thomas gave you a good advice.  Make sure you're running Sonar as the administrator.

I'm able to use both DropZone and Pentagon I (though the former has some GUI issues here).

There's no loss in quality from Sonar 64 to 32 bit, btw.

Running as admin did the trick. Hmmm... why?

Is there a way to disable the "Do you want to allow the following program to make changes to this computer?" pop-up so I don't have to confirm every single time I fire up Sonar?

Does anyone know of any tweaking that can be done that can make quiet a hard drive? It seems my hd is active more often than not. Not clicking whining loud action...just gentle reading type sounds...lots of posts on the net about it. Few solutions. I'd love to know what is going on there. I've disabled all the usual suspects...so anyone have this issue and resolve it?