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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 10:11:56
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Dappa1
I think I mentioned it before that some people are happy with change others aren't. I have known people to rant and rave about how many bugs are in X1 then I see them write that 8.5.3 had so many bugs which they could live with. Truth si they have always lived with bugs in the software nothing has changed there.
I guess impatience can be a deciding factor at times...I have no qualms with anyone in these forums and for the most part I cant afford to stress myself over a few pixels on a LCD screen. If I was making millions with Sonar maybe that would be different but the truth of the matter is I am not...upgrading, cross grading doesn't mean a thing to me.
What actually does matter, is what is happening in the world and how it affects me and the people I love and the people I don't really love.
+1...great post..
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 10:25:41
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Carissa, I think your post is both insightful and accurate. Most of us IMO do not understand or underestimate the effect we have on the world and within this forum, so we see a lot of overstated and many times inappropriate posts.
Another thing that makes a forum unique is that we are not actually communicating with another human being. There's no one really there, so you can't see facial expressions, feel emotions and all the other things that go with really talking with someone else.
Given that, many posts get misinterpreted like the one above for example. It's inevitable but we forget that and take things verbatum on a forum.
In real one on one communication it's way more important HOW you say something than what you say. Here on a forum there's very little 'how' and almost all 'what' so we're misunderstood MOST of the time. That creates these really weird battles that come out of nowhere, but again are inevitable because no one is really there to figure out how they're saying something.
If any of that is true, it's also true that the more objective, helpful posters that occupy this board the more the tenor may change for the better.
So I echo the invite that you might post here a little more and see if you don't have a positive effect on the forum.
great post larry..as youve made that same impact on me..if it werent for you id be wearing a darth vader mask. because its easy to be impressionable when you first come in here..all i was reading were negetive posts..heck i thought thats what i supposed to be doing as well.what i didnt like was the change..having to learn..now that half that battle is gone.i find x1 to be one of the most power daw's on the market.so your post not only speaks volumes..im an example.
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 10:39:43
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Carissa, this forum can be completely vicious at times. I've been brutally attacked here on more than one occasion and it's caused me to stop posting here as much as I did when I first became a user of Sonar. All in all, I do believe that if you come here looking for help, there are people here that are willing to lend a helping hand. If you come here with the intent to vent your frustrations about bugs, you will find a shoulder to cry on, and if you come here looking for an argument, you're guaranteed to get one. The forum is just a microcosm of society itself. If you don't let the negative conditions of society get you down in real life, then don't let the negative conditions of this forum keep you away.
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 10:50:00
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Dappa1
Thank you for clearing that up I hope you have a pleasant day!
Kalle Rantaaho....so you trying to say that I miss understood something and R u trying to call me an angry trucker who is a recovering nutcase!
I take offence to your rant and if I ever see you inmy local public house I would endeavour to knock your block off!
ROTFLOL I love this place. I get so many laughs here!
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:13:55
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Is this another one of those "blame the customer" threads? Maybe if the OP knew the full history then the frustration that some of us are experiencing would be better understood. I have been a customer and supporter of Cakewalk for almost 20 years now. It isn't fun to watch Sonar go into a self-destruct mode.
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:19:32
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I'm just wondering, did any of you guys hurt yourselves climbing over each other to light Carissa's cigarette?
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:20:14
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SilkTone
Is this another one of those "blame the customer" threads? Maybe if the OP knew the full history then the frustration that some of us are experiencing would be better understood. I have been a customer and supporter of Cakewalk for almost 20 years now. It isn't fun to watch Sonar go into a self-destruct mode.
self destrcting in your eyes.i think this release is awesome..listen to my soundclick and tell me how self destructed it is(not saying im awesome)..since the patch ive logged in about 17 hours..guess how many crashes.??...NONE !! ..hey i noticed in your sig. that you only list as having 8.5 are you just guessing here?do you own x1? or are those just what you think? sorry to hear about feelings though.
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:21:18
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I think the deciding factor will come over the next 6 months dont you Silk Tone?
Honestly, do you think that Roland has made a significant contribution either good or bad?
I would like to hear the opinions, maybe not in this Utopian thread maybe in another angry passive thread. Maybe?
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:21:23
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SilkTone
Is this another one of those "blame the customer" threads? Maybe if the OP knew the full history then the frustration that some of us are experiencing would be better understood. I have been a customer and supporter of Cakewalk for almost 20 years now. It isn't fun to watch Sonar go into a self-destruct mode.
Well...If you interpret it as such, maybe so, but when you see people threatening others with physical harm...I think that just might be crossing that line just a little bit...don't you think?
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:22:15
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:22:33
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I think I have the slippers that will fit her feet 
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:22:39
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bapu
I'm just wondering, did any of you guys hurt yourselves climbing over each other to light Carissa's cigarette?
No kidding...
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:23:41
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I think I have the slippers that will fit her feet
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:25:52
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Bickerfesting...always bickerfesting... 
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:27:51
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Guys your all talking to yourselves now.
That was her/his post for this Quarter of the year.
We'll hear back in, oh maybe julyish.
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:28:53
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Bickerfesting hey  where do you live? 
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:43:46
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bapu
I'm just wondering, did any of you guys hurt yourselves climbing over each other to light Carissa's cigarette?
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 11:55:58
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Thank you Carissa, you are very well spoken. I wish everyone, including myself, could be as clear.
I have been with Sonar since S-2, through 4PE, to 7PE, and now to X1. I have never before had the time to really learn to use it. I would usually get totally frustrated by ignorance, on my part, of how to make the software play well with my hardware. Then I would set it aside, get busy with life, come back and start all over, get frustrated again and so on.
Now I am semi-retired (mostly retired actually) and I have time to try to work through it all... and I am truly trying. I don't understand some of the basics and so many people here seem to be "professionals" who talk about things that are over my head.
Actually, no one has been rude to me and I don't mind asking questions but I really hesitate to contribute. I think it would be akin to the offering of my opinion on the effects of cholesterol on the cardiovascular system to a meeting of published cardiologists. I help where I can but I am very careful and my contributions usually consist of my pointing someone to something someone else posted... because I am reading everything I can find right now, trying to learn myself. Perhaps I am one beggar telling another where he found bread.
I have seen too many forums lose good people and become a shadow of what they once were due to a few who make everything personal. It is the same people who will cut you off in traffic, in the assumed safety of their car, but would never have the nerve to break in line at the bank or at the store... though lately I have seen people do just that and no one corrects them because a fool will not receive correction. (I am not calling people here fools, I am talking about people who are disrespectful in "real life") Most people can tell a fool and in real life will shake their head an let it slide because they know to say something will do no good.
However, online it is different and people are quick to say things they would never say face to face. I think it is just the nature of the beast and online it is unfettered. To some it is just "words on a screen" or so they think until things get out of hand, good people back off, and we all lose. Sometimes good people quitely go to another, smaller online community. I truly hope that does not happen here because I need the help of good people and I will need it even more in the future. So... if you are a person who really knows about the DAW and about Sonar and who just wants to help users learn and help CW get better. I hope, for the sake of us who need you... you will consider overooking the boorish and continue to give what you can... some of us really appreciate it.
As I said before. No one has been rude to me... and I hope those who know what they are doing stay here and help me and others. I have no idea how much it is that I don't know. If you are one of the good guys you have real value here. I hope you know that.
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 12:06:58
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jbow
Thank you Carissa, you are very well spoken. I wish everyone, including myself, could be as clear.
I have been with Sonar since S-2, through 4PE, to 7PE, and now to X1. I have never before had the time to really learn to use it. I would usually get totally frustrated by ignorance, on my part, of how to make the software play well with my hardware. Then I would set it aside, get busy with life, come back and start all over, get frustrated again and so on.
Now I am semi-retired (mostly retired actually) and I have time to try to work through it all... and I am truly trying. I don't understand some of the basics and so many people here seem to be "professionals" who talk about things that are over my head.
Actually, no one has been rude to me and I don't mind asking questions but I really hesitate to contribute. I think it would be akin to the offering of my opinion on the effects of cholesterol on the cardiovascular system to a meeting of published cardiologists. I help where I can but I am very careful and my contributions usually consist of my pointing someone to something someone else posted... because I am reading everything I can find right now, trying to learn myself. Perhaps I am one beggar telling another where he found bread.
I have seen too many forums lose good people and become a shadow of what they once were due to a few who make everything personal. It is the same people who will cut you off in traffic, in the assumed safety of their car, but would never have the nerve to break in line at the bank or at the store... though lately I have seen people do just that and no one corrects them because a fool will not receive correction. (I am not calling people here fools, I am talking about people who are disrespectful in "real life") Most people can tell a fool and in real life will shake their head an let it slide because they know to say something will do no good.
However, online it is different and people are quick to say things they would never say face to face. I think it is just the nature of the beast and online it is unfettered. To some it is just "words on a screen" or so they think until things get out of hand, good people back off, and we all lose. Sometimes good people quitely go to another, smaller online community. I truly hope that does not happen here because I need the help of good people and I will need it even more in the future. So... if you are a person who really knows about the DAW and about Sonar and who just wants to help users learn and help CW get better. I hope, for the sake of us who need you... you will consider overooking the boorish and continue to give what you can... some of us really appreciate it.
As I said before. No one has been rude to me... and I hope those who know what they are doing stay here and help me and others. I have no idea how much it is that I don't know. If you are one of the good guys you have real value here. I hope you know that.
Julien
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 12:10:08
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"home-level DAW products"
What is a "home-level" DAW product these days?
Protools 9? lot of people are starting to use that at home
See while i respect the OP's idea behind her post, god knows this place has had its moments recently, but just possibly the reason people fly off the handle is the casual assumptions that people make when they first get here, one of the more common being that Sonar is a home-level DAW.
Tends to rub people up the wrong way, its like aww bless when are you going to stop playing with that toy that students use and get a real DAW.
Well done, I am already feeling warm and fuzzy towards you :)
This post is meant to be taken lightheartedly and not aimed at starting a small flame war
Now where is my cigarette lighter
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 12:38:14
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I think Carissa is Bapu. If it isn't how does he know she/he(?) smokes, have you asked yourself that eh?
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 12:40:58
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bapu
I'm just wondering, did any of you guys hurt yourselves climbing over each other to light Carissa's cigarette?
My point exactly. Everything I tried to get across is coming out here. Im not even sure if Clarissa is male, female or just someone with a fake profile creating another post to chime in on. Love the mixture of everything and being able to get a good smile out of it. [:)} But if she/he does come back. I sincerely hope they continue with the insightful posts like this one 
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 12:46:54
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i get the sense of some 'good cop, bad cop' in this thread. personally, i liked starsky better than hutch. or was it hutch better than starsky? 
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 13:10:02
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I am a longtime Cakewalk user and this is my first post.
One thing that has been constant in this forum has been helpfulness. I feel it still continues.
There always seemed to be a respected limit as to how much humor and sniping could go. Trolls were dealt with quickly.
That has changed since X1 came out. The climate became more toxic and it escalated past the old levels.
Many of the more helpful people seemed to lose their patience sooner or have stopped dropping by.
The real culprit in all of this is the fact that X1 worked for some and not for others. The other main issue is that people don't like change and X1 has some big changes. People whine alot when taken out of their comfort zone.
I see too many posts where someone states; "Well I don't seem to be having that problem, maybe it's something you're doing wrong."
Another is;" Well if you don't like X1 you can always go back to 8.5."
I work in IT and if I took that attitude with my customers I'd be in hot water all the time.
And before the flames begin I am not insinuating that Cakewalk is treating people this way. IMO that is the vibe in the forum. There are a lot of different issues and everyone is trying to put out a lot of separate fires. There is a lot of frustration.
The length of the bug fix list in Xb1 alone speaks volumes to the problems that have plagued X1.
I personally love the improvements in X1. My mixes have improved greatly with the new tools. Sadly I have had many of the issues that have been discussed in this forum. Workflow has slowed to a crawl having to deal with workarounds and crashes.
The latest fix has helped but it was in no way a smooth fix. A lot of songs have to be redone to some extent. Lot's of backtracking.
Will the climate get better? I sure hope so. Cakewalk forums were the friendliest and the best. If the product 's quality can be improved to where everyone feels they got their money's worth then I am sure of it. If not it will only get worse.
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 13:13:28
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bapu
I'm just wondering, did any of you guys hurt yourselves climbing over each other to light Carissa's cigarette?
Yes sir  But an older boy made me do it sir. Honest 
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 13:20:49
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Remember, life is what you make it. WHAT?!? I'm responsible for all this? All this time I've been blaming politicians, religious extremists, and my parents. Turns out it was me all along. Ugh, I need some medication.
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 13:23:00
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Remember, life is what you make it.
WHAT?!? I'm responsible for all this? All this time I've been blaming politicians, religious extremists, and my parents. Turns out it was me all along. Ugh, I need some medication.
LMAO!!!!!
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 13:44:15
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Dappa1
I think I have the slippers that will fit her feet
Well then take em off and give em to her, will ya?
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 13:50:16
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this thread reminds me of that spongebob episode where spongebob dresses patrick up like a girl and calls him patricia(sorry i got kids)..now we all found out its bapu i want to burn my cloths and take a shower now thank you.
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Re:The demeanor here, and its consequences
2011/03/30 13:51:21
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VERY nicely said. You hit the nail square on the head. Take me for example, I've been reading this forum for over 1 1/2 yrs and signed in just today to respond to this post. And yes, this forum as in all others I have tried to participate in is a reflection of our F***ed up society we live in today. I stopped posting on the BHO years ago because of all the internet tough guys and the lack of common respect and and civility and I doubt I'll post here very much either. ALL that said, like society as well, there are still a lot of good people out there, unfortunately, they are usually the quiet ones which has made our society even worse. I DO appreciate the forum and some of the good people that post on here trying to help folks. It does'nt go un-noticed and un-appreciated, I promise. I for one have learned a lot just reading the posts and appreciate the forum from a distance.....Steve
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