The end of windows xp support in Sonar premature?

Hi, before I expand on my thread I should say the pc I use to edit video and photos is an Intel quad core with 8gb of ram running windows 8 - so I'm not a luddite!  The question is - why can't I use this pc to make music?
 
Well like many people I have some expensive external sound interfaces and basically the hardware manufacturers are being very slow at releasing drivers, the irony being two of my interfaces are made by Roland who are the parent company of Cakewalk!  So my main music pc is still running windows xp, and I suspect a lot of people still are running xp too.
 
It's even more ironic that my friend recently purchase a Boss BR-800, a stand alone 8 track recorder that can be used as an interface that came with Sonar le (and it still a current product) and that hasn't got a windows 8 driver.
 
So you see the problem.
 
Any way: the original release of Sonar X2 runs fine on windows XP but of course X2a will not even install. So my request is any chance of a minor bug fix release for XP users based on the above?

keithwm


Hi, before I expand on my thread I should say the pc I use to edit video and photos is an Intel quad core with 8gb of ram running windows 8 - so I'm not a luddite!  The question is - why can't I use this pc to make music?
 
Well like many people I have some expensive external sound interfaces and basically the hardware manufacturers are being very slow at releasing drivers, the irony being two of my interfaces are made by Roland who are the parent company of Cakewalk!  So my main music pc is still running windows xp, and I suspect a lot of people still are running xp too.
 
It's even more ironic that my friend recently purchase a Boss BR-800, a stand alone 8 track recorder that can be used as an interface that came with Sonar le (and it still a current product) and that hasn't got a windows 8 driver.
 
So you see the problem.
 
Any way: the original release of Sonar X2 runs fine on windows XP but of course X2a will not even install. So my request is any chance of a minor bug fix release for XP users based on the above?

WHY are you using 8 GB RAM on XP? XP can only use and see 3GB MAX.
 
You say you edit video. Then you have even more reasons go Windows 7 x64bit. By the way, its not just SONAR not supporting XP any more, Cubase 7 too and others. All new DAWs and other program doesn't support XP. Why? Its because they need x64bit support and functionality that are only found in Windows 7 x64 and Windows 8 x64.
XP and 32 bit is just game over. Get over it!

   Hey Freddie, Xp had a 64bit version too..........just sayin'

Nope, XP is over for SONAR. Vista isn't officially supported, but it still works (even with the X2a update). Win 7 and Win 8 are the only ones officially supported.

Scott

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Dual-boot:
Win 7 64-bit (works GREAT with Sonar X1 and X2!)
Win 8 (it's there, but not making the real jump yet).

High-capacity drives are cheap; partitioning & running completely separate OS's would give you the options of having the best of both worlds!!

IMHO:
Win XP was - and in some cases - still IS a great OS; Vista, not so much.
XP is now very "old" by computer standards, so it's really not unexpected for support to dwindle
(DAW software manufacturers aren't the only one's taking that approach)

Win 7 is mature & stable enough that it is likely to be supported for a LONG time by Microsoft & OEM's. 
It will probably be quite some time before many hardware OEM's depend solely on devices that REQUIRE Windows 8.

The 64 bit XP due to 8 gig of ram parts of this thread are not relevant as the OP never stated he had 8 gigs of ram on his Sonar PC.
Just saying.

Grum.

wasn't windows xp a joke from microsofts part anyway?

*in the microsoft office*
- So.. What should we call this version of windows? Give me some suggestions!

- Well.. All these smileyes we see on the internet are kind of popular these day. Maybe we could call it Windows :) ?

- Hm.. Cool.. but no.. A smiley like that.. It's just too lame. And we all know that most users won't be happy most of the time using windows either...

- Ok.. Let's try a few others..
  Windows =D
  Windows ;P
  Windows XD

- HEY! Stop it right there! Let's try a combination of no. 2 and 3!

- Windows XP?

- Yeah! That's it!!! That's what it's all about, isn't it!? Cheers people! We've done it again!

APC3

grumbleweed4162


The 64 bit XP due to 8 gig of ram parts of this thread are not relevant as the OP never stated he had 8 gigs of ram on his Sonar PC.
Just saying.

Grum.

LOL....touche.... overwhelming angst comes over me remembering anything related to XP x64....days I wish I could forget. Sorry, I should have slowed down and reread the OP....haha

It isn't your fault. The damage started before your post.


Grum.

vs100 does have windows 8 and windows 7 drivers.

http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=downloads&p=VS-100

but if you are someone like me who has a few serious hardware samplers forming part of the sound generating process the demand on the computer goes away under those conditions.

 
I wouldn't mind having some really nice hardware to do that, but alas, $$ says it's soft synths all the way for me.  And I'd wager it's more common than not.   So yeah, I guess I'm with Freddie when it comes to 64bit.   
 
 
 
 
PS...   I still have my XP machine running SONAR X1 for older projects that require older plugins.   I'm certainly not ready to give it up, but I definitely don't have the same feel for using XP since Win7.  And that's only about a year for me. 
 

Swiller


vs100 does have windows 8 and windows 7 drivers.

http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=downloads&p=VS-100

I last checked a while back. They must have released those after thanksgiving. Well at least I did not see them when I checked. This further proves my point. Hardware vendors are working on driver versions for windows 8 as we speak. I don't think it will be long before Windows 8 drivers will be released for the Boss BR-800. I am still waiting for drivers for my Edirol PCR 800. Rolands web site says that the editor for PCR 800 windows 8 version is under testing. I think in time the drivers will be released.

Thanks for the heads up about the Windows 8 drivers

but the x2a update isn't *SOLELY* for fixing the touch side.. and it stated on intial release they weren't supporting xp or vista..

they never originally stated x2 would work in xp anyway.. so it could actually have been worse.

I got done over like a kipper with my dsp factory when cubase decided to discontinue support for it *AFTER* the update. with err v4 IRC

I've had to buy new stuff because of legacy times that hardware makers have on drivers etc.. more here have no doubt.. if the sound card is stopping you then get another.. YES it was worth xyz amount when you bought it, but not now and you'll find a cheaper equivelent that probably does the same... either that or stay with the exsisting hardware..


you knew x2 wasn't fit for xp also.. so that either upgrade your OS (cheap at the moment) and get a decent soundcard.. or use an older version of sonar

what interfaces are they (since you don't state which)  ? if they are 10+ years old then you might find the legacy period is up for them driver wise. 

look how long ago windows xp has been off sale .. vista, 7 and now 8... so I don't think it was exactly quick they stopped supporting it

I feel it's kinda a "taken" that if you do stuff demanding on a pc , whether it be music / video / gaming.. if you want to constantly keep up software wise you have to also hardware wise.. e.g. x-amount of games I'd like to play need a far better gfx / GPU chipset than I had.

Blimey. I wish people would read posts properly! I didn't say I was running XP with 8gb or ram - I said my photo and video editing machine has 8GB of ram running windows 8! My XP machine has 4gb of ram and is a core2 duo. I wonder if Sonar X2a is looking for files that can be added to XP to make it run?

 
  
Well, just my opinion as an XP user that has a pretty stable X2 with hot fix installed.

 Not bitter about the situation here, I have all the PC plugs, nothing more to buy now. I don't have a touch screen nor am I planning on getting one.

 Seems to me the main reason for the X2a patch is that new TS tech that is included in Win 8.
 For this CW has decided to officially end support for XP.

 Premature?  From my viewpoint it is. This was decided before Win 8 was even launched. There really didn't seem to be much public outcry for touch screen support.  I think it's a pretty big gamble to embrace this half baked idea of Microsoft and if things don't pan out the way MS has projected. They will drop support for it just like the mulitude of game controllers for PC that they discarded for Xbox. That is what I think you will see happen.

 I have no immediate plans on upgrading.  For the few VSTi's and a few audio tracks that my projects need, legacy support is much more valuable to me than 64 bit. 

 Sorry guys, it's not time to upgrade here when MS marketing dept. decides it is.  I'll upgrade when I'm ready and have a need to.

 With that said X2 runs as well as any other version of Sonar here, if the OP is having issues I doubt the a patch would fix it.

I'm also wondering if Sonar will support my Windows for workgroups machine. I have optimised HIMEM.SYS and Quemm is installed so I can access at least 600k base memory.