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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 13:58:59 (permalink)
Come to North Carolina..... we have a myriad of colorful local accents from the "high tiders" down east on the barrier islands to the Scottish accents in the mountains, and everything in between including the Ebonics at the local fast food joints spoken by the cashiers. 

And theoretically, it's all based on English.... but good luck having a conversation with some of those folks.  

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 14:32:48 (permalink)
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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 14:34:56 (permalink)
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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 15:18:15 (permalink)
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Try and decipher anything in this

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 15:22:17 (permalink)
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Try and decipher anything in this

For the first time-every word of Bristle you need to know, in one book! Speak Bristle fluently, without going to Nice Cool! Master the difference between Forgots Ache and Yukon Talk. Learn Bristle Time- measured in Mince, Daze, Munce and Yers. This valuable guide covers everything from health (Dire Eel) to gardening (Rub Sheep), from geography (Port Zed, Bart Nil, Annum) to shopkeepers' chat (Thin Else? Ooze Necks?). If you're baffled (Blow Defy Know), read it aloud (Seizure Knit Looks) and you'll understand (Get it Sordid Doubt). Try it. (Sink Ready Bull!)

I love Bristle talk  When I had my sign company in Swindon we used a lot of Bristolian sub-contractors. I'll always remember 'Phil the Fitter' arriving at our factory and asking to use the toilet ..'Jus' a pee moind, nuthin' faancy..' 

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 16:06:53 (permalink)
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Try and decipher anything in this

For the first time-every word of Bristle you need to know, in one book! Speak Bristle fluently, without going to Nice Cool! Master the difference between Forgots Ache and Yukon Talk. Learn Bristle Time- measured in Mince, Daze, Munce and Yers. This valuable guide covers everything from health (Dire Eel) to gardening (Rub Sheep), from geography (Port Zed, Bart Nil, Annum) to shopkeepers' chat (Thin Else? Ooze Necks?). If you're baffled (Blow Defy Know), read it aloud (Seizure Knit Looks) and you'll understand (Get it Sordid Doubt). Try it. (Sink Ready Bull!)

I love Bristle talk  When I had my sign company in Swindon we used a lot of Bristolian sub-contractors. I'll always remember 'Phil the Fitter' arriving at our factory and asking to use the toilet ..'Jus' a pee moind, nuthin' faancy..' 

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 23:04:30 (permalink)
Bristle talk reminds me of Newfie talk. We here in the Canuckistan great white northern outpost have managed to mangle the queens language pretty gud aull ar oene.

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 23:08:18 (permalink)
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And then you have billions of people, like me, trying to do our best to make ourselves understood and not butcher the English language. What's your opinion on that?

My opinion on that is most of you speak it better than we do

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 23:11:25 (permalink)
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Now... I will concede the Zee problem... but "programme"? "Colour"? Are we French... or are we English?


The English officially became French in 1066 but we turned the invaders English after they spent too much time with us.  Therefore the true English language is actually to a good extent  Franglais.  In fact we insidiously anglicised our conquerors to such an extent they completely forgot we were a colony of theirs already and made several plans to 'invade' us again during the ensuing centuries.

LOL - I think I did what they call a chortle at that . What's even funnier is its actually true.

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 23:17:11 (permalink)
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I would thoroughly recommend a book called 'Made in America: an informal history of the English Language' by Bill Bryson. A lot of the words that us limeys think of as yank words (trash, fall (as in autumn), faucet, diaper,candy etc etc etc) originated in England and have been kept in the Amercan English language while UK English has developed and lost some of these words. Also, the puritan movement replaced the word 'Cock' or 'Cockerel' with the word Rooster and Toilet, Loo, Bog and the millions of crapper based words with 'Bathroom' (this one always baffles me as most american sh1thouses don't have a bath in them).
The book's a great read.

It is interesting. 


Canada is a Bilingual country. English and French. But the French spoken in Canada is actually considered "archaic" by modern France standards. It basically has not much evolved from the way it was spoken in the 1600's here (which may explain why many people from France consider us "quaint"). Mayhaps it is the same withe English hereth?

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 23:40:04 (permalink)
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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/03 23:50:36 (permalink)
I like Otters




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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/04 00:04:24 (permalink)
You otter know.  

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/04 00:20:44 (permalink)
Anyone likes monkeys?




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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/04 00:23:44 (permalink)
After seeing "The Rundown" with The Rock, I will never look at monkeys the same again:

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/04 01:12:44 (permalink)
I've been in Texas three years.
I can understand most of them, but there is a peculiar dialect that seems to have three vowels and seven consonants.
I'm still working on that one.

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/04 01:31:43 (permalink)
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Orange you sweet.....

Nope.  Don't care for monkeys.
 
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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/04 01:32:51 (permalink)
The dialect we have here is kind of interesting...

Runningwordstogether ....

Gets us....

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There is about seven of them all....

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/04 01:32:55 (permalink)
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I've been in Texas three years.
I can understand most of them, but there is a peculiar dialect that seems to have three vowels and seven consonants.
I'm still working on that one.

(Pssst... its called "mexican" hehehe)

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 17:21:40 (permalink)
Thank you. I guess the ability to make fun of a language is what shows i you're really fluent or not. By the way, see Bapu, move to Newcastle?
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SwedishPete


And then you have billions of people, like me, trying to do our best to make ourselves understood and not butcher the English language. What's your opinion on that?


See Bapu...or move to Newcastle (the English one) either way you'll be fine.

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 17:27:11 (permalink)
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Although not exactly on topic, I'm a bilingual illiterate. I can't read or write in two languages...

You'll fit right in.  


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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 17:36:41 (permalink)
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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 17:41:40 (permalink)
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Thank you. I guess the ability to make fun of a language is what shows i you're really fluent or not. By the way, see Bapu, move to Newcastle?
Jonbouy


SwedishPete


And then you have billions of people, like me, trying to do our best to make ourselves understood and not butcher the English language. What's your opinion on that?


See Bapu...or move to Newcastle (the English one) either way you'll be fine.

btw Welcome to the Coffee House.

Welcome to the CH, Pete.  


Bapu is particularly adept at butchering the language when he wants to--which is most of the time.  I'm not sure about Newcastle, though.  

If you're looking for media that will help you learn English, I imagine there are websites that will do that.  I suppose that your ultimate goal will dictate how you proceed.  If you're looking to fit in with your area watch your local news and talk shows to get the local dialect.  If you're trying to improve your proper English, you might want watch and listen the national news shows.  

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 17:54:16 (permalink)
So you think I need it?
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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 18:01:35 (permalink)
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So you think I need it?

Not really.  I haven't noticed any problems with your English.  I thought you were asking because you thought you needed it.  

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 20:19:43 (permalink)
I would have to say that the USA pretty much owns the English language, seeing that the "colonies" defeated the great British empire in a war. So we can do what we want with it. There may be other countries out there that may speak a version English, but none of them actually defeated Great Britain.
Australia? They were exiled.
NZ? They evolved their independence.
Canada? One half speaks French anyways. Besides without the US, they wouldn't exist.
India? Have you called tech support lately, thats not English anyvay.
Newcastle? All you need to know is pint or treble.

 

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 20:51:22 (permalink)
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I would have to say that the USA pretty much owns the English language, seeing that the "colonies" defeated the great British empire in a war. So we can do what we want with it. There may be other countries out there that may speak a version English, but none of them actually defeated Great Britain.
Australia? They were exiled.
NZ? They evolved their independence.
Canada? One half speaks French anyways. Besides without the US, they wouldn't exist.
India? Have you called tech support lately, thats not English anyvay.
Newcastle? All you need to know is pint or treble.

 

So, by this logic, China should "own" English pretty soon, eh?
 
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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 21:32:15 (permalink)
Actually, in that case they would have purchased it, which doesn't really count either.
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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/05 22:17:26 (permalink)
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I would have to say that the USA pretty much owns the English language, seeing that the "colonies" defeated the great British empire in a war. So we can do what we want with it. There may be other countries out there that may speak a version English, but none of them actually defeated Great Britain.
Australia? They were exiled.
NZ? They evolved their independence.
Canada? One half speaks French anyways. Besides without the US, they wouldn't exist.
India? Have you called tech support lately, thats not English anyvay.
Newcastle? All you need to know is pint or treble.

 

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Re:The great English debate. 2012/07/06 00:50:02 (permalink)
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I would have to say that the USA pretty much owns the English language, seeing that the "colonies" defeated the great British empire in a war. So we can do what we want with it. There may be other countries out there that may speak a version English, but none of them actually defeated Great Britain.
Australia? They were exiled.
NZ? They evolved their independence.
Canada? One half speaks French anyways. Besides without the US, they wouldn't exist.
India? Have you called tech support lately, thats not English anyvay.
Newcastle? All you need to know is pint or treble.

 


Gotta love an American 'historian', you still haven't finished the fight you had with yourselves during the mid-nineteenth century.  The idealogical divide is still pretty much the same as it ever was...

You'll also note that the American 'victory' over the English was actually down to the unwillingness to commit to the defence of our tea interests in America in the light of forces looking likely to be needed to defend against a threat from the French at home.  You'll also recognize, if you ever did any homework that the French navy also played the MAJOR part in what you call your 'victory'.

It's largely the French you should be raising a toast to on July 4th.  I'm sure you already knew that though given your intensely deep interest and knowledge of the subject...

The actual declaration was signed in France with a condition that we could keep our morphine interests in Asia.  Basically you got sold out for a bag of smack...lol.
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