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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 10:14:59
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cclarry
I've still got my fingers crossed that they
HEED THE PIPER
and when they release the Win 8 patch they include VST 3
but I'm NOT going to hold my breath...
Cheers!
+1 ..fingers crossed and hoping...
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 10:17:34
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This statement is about 64 bit, UAD is last set of plugins that are not 64 bit yet!!!! Sonar was the first 64 bit DAW years ago and only Sonitus plugins can do 64 double precision. So what, I dont blame UAD that they are not 64 bit native, they working on it.
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 10:17:54
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Not seeing VST3 mentioned in that press release at all.
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 10:23:52
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Noel,
If the VST3 implementation is "of such low importance" to Cakewalk...
THEN WHY HAS EVERY OTHER MAJOR DAW AND PLUG IN MANUFACTURER
(except NO TOOLS- RTAS) adpoted it and chosen to implement it...even without
a MAJOR release???
I'm really just curious...
Just becaue Cakewalk doesn't deem it important doesn't make it NOT IMPORTANT...
WOW...how CRAZY is that....???"
I'm happy to know it's in the pipeline...but, as always, Cake has FAILED to make
a pre-empitive strike at CURRENT technologies for the sake of their users...
instead choosing to focus and give us MORE feature improvements that have been
available in other DAWS for awhile....while touting their massive benefits...
and overshadowing the NEED, addressed by an INDUSTRY STANDARD API,
to implement such protocol in their software???
Why is it that ALL MANUFACTURERS, BUSINESSES, etc....play POLITICS...
and instead of saying...OOOPS...we'll fix it...
they play politics and say....
PAY NOT ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!
INSTEAD....LOOK OVER HEAR....
Blah...
Love the SOFTWARE...HATE THE BS...
Cheers!
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 10:25:49
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Freddie H
Around this time each year, we tend to reflect on the past, and look forward to the future. 2011 has been a particularly good year for Universal Audio and the UAD platform, with the introduction of the UAD-2 Satellite and some exceptional new plug-ins. This year also marks the 10th anniversary for the UAD platform — a milestone we could not have achieved without your support.
Since we introduced the UAD DSP Accelerators in 2001, we've grown from just a few hundred users, to more than 45,000 owners worldwide. Over the past decade, we've introduced powerful new UAD hardware, as well as more than 50 new plug-ins, including groundbreaking titles with Ampex, EMT, Lexicon, Manley, Neve, SSL, Studer, and more.
Importantly, the high quality of these UAD products is directly related to your support — which literally funds the development of what we believe are the best audio processors in the world. Without this support, we would not be able to spend six months, nine months, or up to a full year developing our highly complex individual plug-in titles.
So for that, we sincerely thank you.
Looking forward, one increasingly common request is for UAD plug-ins to become fully 64-bit compliant. Rest assured, the UAD plug-in transition to 64-bit architecture will be completed in 2012.
Importantly, this 64-bit compatibility will come at no cost to our users. You have chosen to support us, and we will support you as audio processing standards evolve.
Again, thank you for using UAD Powered Plug-Ins. And please know that the best is yet to come.
Sincerely,
Bill Putnam Jr.
Founder
Universal Audio Inc
Very nice anouncement from Bill[???Freddie?],so I guess its all cool if Noel said it will happen?[I missed THAT completely]....phew panicked for a minute or 5,so VST3 support will eventually happen then?,I'AM worried about waves "not working" soon though[especially as they're ALL I'm using lately-sorry but the PC2a is not quite the CLA2A or 3A but close-sish....sort of?] These late night posts,always become embarrassing! Bob
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 10:35:24
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PC2A not been CLA2A???? Are you kidding? PC2A is by far best LA2A emu out there...
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 10:35:51
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I cannot integrate my $2200 synthesizer with VST as the editor is written solely for VST3.. Guess why Yamaha required VST3 support for the Motif Editor...  Might have something to do with wanting to tie you into using Cubase (which was the only app that supported VST3 when the editor was originally released)... and just happens to be owned by Yamaha. Korg managed to make a M3 VSTi editor that works just fine under VST2.4 spec BTW, There's a 3rd party Motif Editor that blows away the VSTi version. The list of VST3 features posted (copied/pasted from Steinberg) above gets a little silly. VST3 necessary for plugins processing at 64Bit resolution??? Not hardly... With all the potential ways to spend time/resources, the Bakers have to prioritize what will benefit the largest segment of their user base. Based on what Noel explained (and has numerous times), it's clear that VST3 support in-and-of-itself would offer little direct benefit vs. what could be done with VST2.4. This is why it hasn't been a top priority. FWIW, my Motif works just fine with Sonar and the 3rd party editor.
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 10:44:39
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BluerecordingStudios
PC2A not been CLA2A???? Are you kidding? PC2A is by far best LA2A emu out there...
Man I wouldn't know a real LA2A if I fell over one,I just meant I like using the Waves 2A/3A more,or have more success than I do with the PC2A[though I still use and like it for sure],thats all. Bob
post edited by bobguitkillerleft - 2012/09/06 11:23:35
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 10:50:31
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BluerecordingStudios
PC2A not been CLA2A???? Are you kidding? PC2A is by far best LA2A emu out there...
I think this statement would be HIGHLY debated...
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 11:05:42
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cclarry
Noel,
If the VST3 implementation is "of such low importance" to Cakewalk...
THEN WHY HAS EVERY OTHER MAJOR DAW AND PLUG IN MANUFACTURER
(except NO TOOLS- RTAS) adpoted it and chosen to implement it...even without
a MAJOR release???
I'm really just curious...
Just becaue Cakewalk doesn't deem it important doesn't make it NOT IMPORTANT...
WOW...how CRAZY is that....???"
I'm happy to know it's in the pipeline...but, as always, Cake has FAILED to make
a pre-empitive strike at CURRENT technologies for the sake of their users...
instead choosing to focus and give us MORE feature improvements that have been
available in other DAWS for awhile....while touting their massive benefits...
and overshadowing the NEED, addressed by an INDUSTRY STANDARD API,
to implement such protocol in their software???
Why is it that ALL MANUFACTURERS, BUSINESSES, etc....play POLITICS...
and instead of saying...OOOPS...we'll fix it...
they play politics and say....
PAY NOT ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!
INSTEAD....LOOK OVER HEAR....
Blah...
Love the SOFTWARE...HATE THE BS...
Cheers!
>>but, as always, Cake has FAILED to make pre-empitive strike at CURRENT technologies for the sake of their users... As always, really? How about being the first to support X64, supporting every single processor architecture, preemptive support for every version of Windows to name just a few. VST3 being lower importance not arbitrarily decided, as I outlined in my message. There are plenty of things we did in X2 that were way higher in the feature list that the vast majority of users would benefit from before VST3. We do features in response to the volume of customer requests. VST3 has been way at the bottom of that pile. Anyway I've said what I have to say on this topic so there is no point in beating it to death here. It has absolutely nothing to do with politics but everything to do with supporting the most immediate needs of our user base first, and making the best use of our engineering resources.
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Mystic38
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 11:09:24
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Jim Roseberry
I cannot integrate my $2200 synthesizer with VST as the editor is written solely for VST3..
Guess why Yamaha required VST3 support for the Motif Editor...
Might have something to do with wanting to tie you into using Cubase (which was the only app that supported VST3 when the editor was originally released)... and just happens to be owned by Yamaha.
Korg managed to make a M3 VSTi editor that works just fine under VST2.4 spec
BTW, There's a 3rd party Motif Editor that blows away the VSTi version.
The list of VST3 features posted (copied/pasted from Steinberg) above gets a little silly.
VST3 necessary for plugins processing at 64Bit resolution??? Not hardly...
With all the potential ways to spend time/resources, the Bakers have to prioritize what will benefit the largest segment of their user base. Based on what Noel explained (and has numerous times), it's clear that VST3 support in-and-of-itself would offer little direct benefit vs. what could be done with VST2.4. This is why it hasn't been a top priority.
FWIW, my Motif works just fine with Sonar and the 3rd party editor.
I frankly have no idea if you have a point or if so what it is.. but as counter-bullets: Roland should have driven Sonar to support the most popular workstation by far. period. the failure to do so was a major competitive blunder given that DAW entry is often via workstations/sequencers. M3 predated VST3 by a lifetime, as does Virus, Fantom G etc.. so thats an irelevant comment. Customer and market requirements have a perception vs reality gap ... and the failure to recognise that, along with complacency & arrogance causes companies to lose ground. CW knows full well they need to add VST3, you dont need it, others do.. nice and simple...so i shall leave it at that
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 11:20:07
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too many lasers...  Sonar = audio editing ninja of a music software!
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 11:46:36
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Linear Phase
I think there are a ton of answers here as well...
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204080&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
There are a lot of various "mixed" responses here..FROM JANUARY OF 2008.....OVER 4 years ago... Some pro...some con...as always... Bottom line..it's here...it's NOW...and it's a done deal... Nearly EVERY DAW (PC BASED) out there has added support for this...quite a while ago... AND ...after 4 years....Cake is STILL hemming at it? NOT WISE... Cheers!
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 11:48:38
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I frankly have no idea if you have a point or if so what it is.. The point is... you're throwing out (your) opinion as fact. No VST3 support for the Motif is a "deal breaker" or "non starter" As a fellow Motif XS owner... I'm here to tell you that isn't so. It's pretty easy to work around the issue. Instead of asking Cakewalk why they don't support VST3, ask Yamaha why they re-invented the wheel. Why change a standard that didn't need changed? It was simply to give themselves a competitive edge. To stiff-arm end users into using their products... BTW, I've owned every flagship keyboard workstation from every manufacturer... and calling the Motif XS/XF "the most popular workstation by far" is a little bit of a stretch. Again, it's opinion expressed as fact. The M3 didn't predate the XS by a significant amount of time. There are no magical features in the Motif VSTi editor that couldn't have been implemented using the VST2.4 standard. Your frustration/disappointment is focused on the wrong group.
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 11:53:20
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Jim Roseberry
I frankly have no idea if you have a point or if so what it is..
Why change a standard that didn't need changed? It was simply to give themselves a competitive edge.
To stiff-arm end users into using their products...
Why make a NEW SOFTWARE VERSION when the one your using is ok???
NEW FEATURES
NEW IMPLEMENATIONS
BETTER FUNCTIONALITY
BETTER USAGE
BETTER WORKFLOW
BETTER>>>BETTER>>>>BETTER>>>NEW>>>>BETTER>>>>
Seems to be the case in ALL SOFTWARE SITUATIONS...
Silly post...
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 12:21:50
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cclarry
.......
NOT WISE...
Cheers!
"not wise?" What happens when Cakewalk does add vst3? Sonar is definitely Cubase's main competitor, so what do you think Yama/Stein is going to do? Release vst4... Why? Just as the CTO of this company has said, " there is expense involved." My guess is that an update like, "X2," costs several million dollars to produce... We don't notice that as Expanded Customers because our cost is a mere $99.00... Its obvious that, "Cakewalk must have more customers than the 100 or so, (myself included,) who like to play on the forum." I guess the bet is, that the vast majority of these customers have no need yet, for vst 3... ????? And I am not ignoring other peoples wants and wishes. I am just providing an alternative point of view. Cheers Btw, I've got no need for vst3. and I don't want the expense passed my way either....
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 12:25:17
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
We do features in response to the volume of customer requests. VST3 has been way at the bottom of that pile.
While it's great that CW is responsive to customer requests, one of CW's missions should be to anticipate important developments that ordinary users might not see coming, e.g. VST3. However (un)likely the scenario is, if a major vendor like UAD or Waves starts making their plugins VST3-only (with no easy workaround for non-VST3 hosts), you can bet that VST3 support will quickly jump to the top of that "pile" -- and CW should be ready for that. Perhaps Noel has a better idea than most of us about the timing for these things, but I trust he's staying abreast of developments so that there are no major problems for his customers. BTW, it's cool that the CTO posts in here ... official input is always appreciated. And yes, X2 looks really good. I'm looking forward to the upgrade! Cheers, Eddie
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 12:28:15
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BluerecordingStudios
All we want to say here is that VST3 is not important now.
Maybe to you it isn't - and that is fine. But there are those of us that find it very important, so please don't try speaking for us. For me it is not a big deal, as I have already moved on. Cake simply will not have any chance of retaining / regaining me as a customer until they implement VST3. I know you do not care about that - but Cake should, because I am not alone!
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 13:12:44
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I doubt there are *that* many users who will flat out not upgrade to X2 (or even use SONAR at all) strictly because of VST3. I'm not saying they don't exist, because this thread certainly proves otherwise. But it seems the number of users that may benefit from the features that X2 does include far outweigh those that would benefit from VST3. At least based on yesterday's webinar.
To me, X2 seems to be all about workflow. And "workflow" has been a topic around these parts way longer, and more frequently, than just about any other topic. I take all of this to literally mean that CW has been listening to its user base. But as they say, the proof will be in the pudding...
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 13:40:23
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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>>but, as always, Cake has FAILED to make pre-empitive strike at CURRENT technologies for the sake of their users...
As always, really? How about being the first to support X64, supporting every single processor architecture, preemptive support for every version of Windows to name just a few. VST3 being lower importance not arbitrarily decided, as I outlined in my message. There are plenty of things we did in X2 that were way higher in the feature list that the vast majority of users would benefit from before VST3. We do features in response to the volume of customer requests. VST3 has been way at the bottom of that pile.
Anyway I've said what I have to say on this topic so there is no point in beating it to death here. It has absolutely nothing to do with politics but everything to do with supporting the most immediate needs of our user base first, and making the best use of our engineering resources.
I couldn't agree more Noel. Great! I really appreciate the vast update you have done with X2. The new things that you have done are more important then VST3. * New Glitch free audio engine 384 kHz, 64 bit double precisions * Rebuild the whole Automation. Copy and paste work again. * New Automation Lanes! * New Take lane * New Smart Tool * The new Pro Channel elements. 3 new console emulations. BREVERB * New Pro Channels FX Chain * The new drag and drop any 3part VST (not VST3 though) into Pro Channel and it became a Pro Channel module instead. * Flexible routing in Pro Channel  Awesome thank you. Now when you have done all that I hope that in the near future we will see VST3 support + the new free Melodyne ARA implemented in SONAR. If we got that small things added we would have the best DAW on the market right now. http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=ara
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 13:45:39
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bobguitkillerleft
Very nice anouncement from Bill[???Freddie?],so I guess its all cool if Noel said it will happen?[I missed THAT completely]....phew panicked for a minute or 5,so VST3 support will eventually happen then?,I'AM worried about waves "not working" soon though[especially as they're ALL I'm using lately-sorry but the PC2a is not quite the CLA2A or 3A but close-sish....sort of?]
These late night posts,always become embarrassing!
Bob
Bob my friend! Don’t worry. I’m sure Cakewalk has a plan adding any kind of new technology that are needed and required so their users can continue use the 3part software’s they have purchase. They are not stupid, you know. After this stromy thread they do understand that vast of their users really want it!
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 13:53:55
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Linear Phase
Cheers
Btw, I've got no need for vst3. and I don't want the expense passed my way either....
Sure, I can admit that all my plugins that I use for now have support of both VST2.4 and VST 3 support. In a near future this might not be the case. 3part manufactures will soon abandoned VST2.4 and only support VST3. Then we have real problems, so our concerns are valid! Even if you don't need it today VST3 should still be there and fully supported in SONAR platform years ago. If I had VST3 support today in SONAR I sure would use it instead of VST 2.4. SONAR should be pioneer and early adopters of all kinds of technology. That is what Cakewalk SONAR brand stands for. It’s their trademark. Let’s push the envelope!
post edited by Freddie H - 2012/09/06 14:02:43
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 14:20:27
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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Additionally SONAR has always optimized to not stream through plugins that do not have an active audio stream.
Ah yes. The way it should be. You wouldn't be able to see it that way if you have your head stuck in a bunch of steinberg marketing mumbo jumbo. And UAD aligning with steinberg? Big shocker there. Remember those years and years of UAD trouble in SONAR, but they just magically worked correctly in cubase (i.e., "the test bed"). Those were the days. And Yamaha with their "VST3 only" editor... the first VST3-only thing of any kind, IIRC. Another shocker... Yamaha... VST3 only. VST3 has not reached the "de facto" level of VST2.4 yet. It may get there at some point, but VST2.4 is still by far the de facto standard. Even if VST3 reaches that point, and the jury is still out on broad market support when compared to 2.4, there is a migration period, like with any technology. You don't just wake one day and declare: VST3 is the new standard! So for a company like Waves to come out with a VST3 only plugin is a bit of a joke. It's like they're saying "we don't care what the current de facto standard is in the market, we're going to do it our way". Typical arrogance. People typically have many tools at their disposal. Some of those tools support VST3, some don't. And some of those tools that don't support VST3 are very popular tools to boot. So you do the math... This is not saying VST3 = bad or unnecessary... it's just saying: don't believe the hype from biased sources, and don't expect an entire software market to jump every time the likes of Yamaha and Waves says "jump". Imagine all those Ableton Live and Reaper users who won't be buying Vocal Rider?
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
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Linear Phase
cclarry
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NOT WISE...
Cheers!
"not wise?" What happens when Cakewalk does add vst3? Sonar is definitely Cubase's main competitor, so what do you think Yama/Stein is going to do? Release vst4... Why? Just as the CTO of this company has said, "there is expense involved."
My guess is that an update like, "X2," costs several million dollars to produce... We don't notice that as Expanded Customers because our cost is a mere $99.00...
Its obvious that, "Cakewalk must have more customers than the 100 or so, (myself included,) who like to play on the forum."
I guess the bet is, that the vast majority of these customers have no need yet, for vst 3... ?????
And I am not ignoring other peoples wants and wishes. I am just providing an alternative point of view.
Cheers
Btw, I've got no need for vst3. and I don't want the expense passed my way either....
Sonar is NOT Cubase's biggest competitor...NOT EVEN CLOSE...CUBASE - WORLD WIDE is the LARGEST INSTALLED DAW in the WORLD....and Pro Junk is their MAIN competitor.. AND as you can see from the NEW Music Radar Survey, Sonar is #5 on their list. Which isn't a BAD showing...BUT... FL STUDIO - a program that costs about 1/2 the price, has VST 3 Support, and comes with LIFETIME FREE UPDATES...is #1 You people on here are completely erroneous in your assupmptions... If you took a POLL of REAL WORLD USERS....NOT people on this forum You'd find that a GREAT NUMBER OF USERS want and, more importantly NEED VST3 Support... If that were not the case then EVERY OTHER DAW in the PC world wouldn't be implementing it!!! Are you people REALLY that NAIVE? WOW.....I can't believe the craziness I hear on this forum and the politcal CRAP that comes out of Cakes mouths... It really is disheartening... VST3 was implemented 4 year ago....and we have TWO...count them TWO major failures in the DAW WORLD 1. Pro Crap Tools is STILL 32 bit - which is a COMPLETE TRAVESTY 2. Cakewalk is STILL non- vst 3 compliant - even after 4 years of the standard being out there... MAYBE...JUST MAYBE...they should spend MORE TIME IN THE REAL DAW world and LESS TIME in THIS FORUM to GET THEIR INFORMATION... Let me be clear about this ....I DON'T USE VST 3 .....nor do I NEED IT... BUT THE REST OF THE DAW WORLD IS ALREADY THERE...and yet ...IT"S LOW ON THE LIST. And Cake keeps saying...IT'S NOT IMPORTANT....we had more important things to do... It's LOW on OUR list....YET...just in this thread alone more than 50 percent are saying that IT IS....and MANY are saying they won't even upgrade now because it's NOT THERE... You people SERIOUSLY must have "Tunnel Vision" because OUT THERE...in the REAL WORLD. IT'S not only NEEDED...it's ALREADY THERE... Just like improvements to the Staff View...I don't use it...but most other DAW's have BETTER implementations, and I see SO MANY PEOPLE on this forum talk about it...and YET...Cake leaves it as is... So why is Cake dragging their feet? Is it because their SURVEY on THIS FORUM said it wasn't important? And BELIEVE ME...this FORUM does not REPRESENT the REAL WORLD... OR is it because THEY DON'T WANT TO INVEST IN IT.... WOW....crazy... FACTS ARE FACTS...that's all ...BYE BYE...
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
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And Cake keeps saying...IT'S NOT IMPORTANT....we had more important things to do... - Automation Lanes - Track Lanes - FX Chains in the ProChannel - Auto Snap - Snap Override - Smart Grid - Improved lasso/selection Those are a few of the new features that I remember from the webinar, and that I personally consider more important than VST3. So I completely agree with CW on this point. As the old saying goes, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And I'd wager that these new features stand a better chance of applying to the many.
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 15:07:53
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stevec
And Cake keeps saying...IT'S NOT IMPORTANT....we had more important things to do...
- Automation Lanes
- Track Lanes
- FX Chains in the ProChannel
- Auto Snap
- Snap Override
- Smart Grid
- Improved lasso/selection
Those are a few of the new features that I remember from the webinar, and that I personally consider more important than VST3. So I completely agree with CW on this point. As the old saying goes, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And I'd wager that these new features stand a better chance of applying to the many.
This is the last thing I'm posting here...because "A man persuaded against his will - is of the same opinion still" Those features may be VERY important to some...great...no problem. But that does not dimish the importance of VST 3 implemenation. Plug Manufacturers and PC DAW's have been using and implementing it for 4 years now...while Cake sits on their lists. I don't use it...I don't need it...BUT...I understand the NEED and reason for the NEED, and that is why I support it. Guys...it's just common sense...not rocket science.. I guess that's the travesty of seeing the BIG picture...and not just what's on this forum... which is, apparently, what Cake bases their "lists" on...which, if so, is sad.
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 15:43:48
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Seems that cclarry is only one who needs VST3 support in Sonar right now. I am glad that Cakewalk paid attention to more important things, for me especially Console summing models - the only DAW on market with this plugin integrated. Another few steps ahead competitors. And cclarry, Sonar and Cubase are leading DAWs each with their strongs and weaks, so I am happy that you will not posting another childish BS like "Sonar is not even close to Cubase". It looks weird if I read your signature and find that you using latest Sonar software with all ProChannel plugins. Maybe it will be better if you dont ever post anything on this forum in the future. Bye bye :D
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 16:02:30
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In all fairness, cclarry did say that he doesn't personally need VST3, but does see the need for it when looking at the big picture. And in that context I think it makes sense. However, VST3 is just one aspect of the big picture. Those features may be VERY important to some...great...no problem. Maybe it's just me, but I really do see the use of those features I listed as being way more widespread than VST3 plugins. IOW, I look at VST3 as the "some" and those other features as the "many". That was really my only point - that CW's decision to spend their time and effort on features like those instead of VST3 was a good one. Agree to disagree and all that.
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 16:05:12
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Seems that cclarry is only one who needs VST3 support in Sonar right now. I am glad that Cakewalk paid attention to more important things, for me especially Console summing models - the only DAW on market with this plugin integrated. Another few steps ahead competitors. And cclarry, Sonar and Cubase are leading DAWs each with their strongs and weaks, so I am happy that you will not posting another childish BS like "Sonar is not even close to Cubase". It looks weird if I read your signature and find that you using latest Sonar software with all ProChannel plugins. Maybe it will be better if you dont ever post anything on this forum in the future. Bye bye :D
Someone is not even reading the thread...and commenting.....imagine that..
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Re:This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin
2012/09/06 16:35:01
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VST3 is important to me, particularly because I work with orchestral music and Cubase has used it to make articulation switching so easy. I have to decide whether to stay put with Sonar (automation lanes helps) or swallow hard and spend the money necessary to switch, money I would much rather reserve to add to my VSL library or my Kontakt-based library.
In the end, I probably won't switch to Cubase just yet. And I recognize that many, perhaps most people on the Sonar forums couldn't care less about VST3. Perhaps it's just a matter of their customer base having a different set of interests than those of Cubase, I don't know. If so Sonar would just be catering to their particular customers.
For my particular uses, Sonar has made a marketing choice not to pursue VST3 or an improved Staff View, and it's choice has left me feeling that I may have hitched my wagon to the wrong DAW. It is what it is, and no amount of bickering is going to change it.
John B. ------------------ Sonar X2 Producer Primary Use: Orchestral MIDI with Softsynths 2.5 GHz Core2 Quad 8300, 8 GB RAM Windows 7 64-bit VSL Special Edition Cinematic Strings 2
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