chuckebaby
 

jb101  Tuning down a semitone ( half step) gives a reference pitch of 415.3, not 435, i.e. you are tuning your guitar to e flat. Those bands understood that.  You did not, obviously. Geez..

actually if I tune down a half step, my A string is in 435. if im wrong, please someone call me out on it and tell mr BJ101 how this works.

You are very wrong.

Your A string will be tuned to 103.83Hz, instead of 110Hz if you tune down a half step. Go look at a chart, instead of wasting my time.

The BJ thing was puerile, and suited you. If I were you, I would be too embarrassed to comment in this thread again. You are making a fool of yourself, and can't really be taken seriously anymore.

I beg you, find a chart of pitch frequencies, and look at it.

jb101

chuckebaby
 

jb101  Tuning down a semitone ( half step) gives a reference pitch of 415.3, not 435, i.e. you are tuning your guitar to e flat. Those bands understood that.  You did not, obviously. Geez..

actually if I tune down a half step, my A string is in 435. if im wrong, please someone call me out on it and tell mr BJ101 how this works.

You are very wrong.

Your A string will be tuned to 103.83Hz, instead of 110Hz if you tune down a half step. Go look at a chart, instead of wasting my time.

The BJ thing was puerile, and suited you. If I were you, I would be too embarrassed to comment in this thread again. You are making a fool of yourself, and can't really be taken seriously anymore.

I beg you, find a chart of pitch frequencies, and look at it.

still don't get it...???   435 is a half step down in tuning.
http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/The-Lesson-Loft-Guitars/440hz-vs-435hz/td-p/15636024
 
im trying my best not to humiliate you.
just keep in mind, any crack you've taken at me... about me being an asst. engineer, what ever.
then you should go look in the mirror and say those same things to yourself !
 
this is basic tuning fundamentals, not rocket science.

Did you actually read the thread you posted?  Where they state tuning down half a step gives you A=415.3?
 
I guess not.
 
"This adjusts where the note "A" is exactly.  99% of the time it's at A 440, but in some rare instances, other standards are used.  For example, in many orchestras, it's not uncommon to tune to A 442 or A443. For half step down tuning, A 430 (which is usually a low as tuners adjust) is nowhere near enough to reach the next half step.  What you'll want to do instead is just tune to the next note down, which would be Ab/G# (which happens to be 415.30 Hz).  Or if your tuner has the option for low-tuning guitars (usually the flat symbol: "b"), then use that. The Hz adjustment on the tuner is for shifting the entire tuning system by minute amounts."
 
Thanks for posting information that proves my point..

jb101
 
"This adjusts where the note "A" is exactly.  99% of the time it's at A 440, but in some rare instances, other standards are used.  For example, in many orchestras, it's not uncommon to tune to A 442 or A443. For half step down tuning, A 430 (which is usually a low as tuners adjust) is nowhere near enough to reach the next half step.  What you'll want to do instead is just tune to the next note down, which would be Ab/G# (which happens to be 415.30 Hz).  Or if your tuner has the option for low-tuning guitars (usually the flat symbol: "b"), then use that. The Hz adjustment on the tuner is for shifting the entire tuning system by minute

ya I did read that "in other RARE instances...lol
 
nice try man.
 
anyone else here tune to 415hz when tuning down a half step ???
 
 
 
I think this thread is turning into the main reason why I have asked politely for you to not quote my posts or directly interact with me on this forum, no one wants to hear you or I get in to these argument's.
including myself.
 
im curious to hear though what others think about tuning down a half step.

jb101
Bless, I guess reading and understanding are different skills.

or admitting one is wrong.

here's some science: http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

Stevie Ray tuned his guitar a half step down. Probably made the horn players happy, if he had any. 
 
 
 

Bob, I'm not trying to argue the merits of using different reference pitches with Charlie, that's cool.
 
I'm pointing out that tuning down half a step does not lead to A=435, and that a semitone does not equal 5Hz.
 
Am I wrong?

daveny5
According to this: http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html, if A=440, Ab=415.30 in the equal tempered scale. 

Thank you, Daveny5

 
Is this the right room for an argument? 

SteveStrummerUK

Bristol_Jonesey Is this the right room for an argument? 

 I told you once   

No you haven't. :-)

 
 

mike_mccue
 
Does anybody use the term "transpose" anymore?
 
 

Good point, McQ.
 
This is why I didn't understand why tuning (transposing) guitars down a semitone was even brought up in this thread.
 
It was entirely erroneous to the subject matter, and only confused the issue.
 
I should mark your post as helpful.

SteveStrummerUK
 
So - who was right?
 
And who gets to keep these 440 tuna?
 
I'll have them...
 
I like fish.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sadly, I couldn't think of a way of slipping "Love Hertz" into this post.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 I don't know...lol
 
I just keep going back to this post
 

jb101
 Tuning down a semitone ( half step) gives a reference pitch of 415.3, not 435, i.e. you are tuning your guitar to e flat.
 
Those bands understood that.  You did not, obviously.
 
Geez..

 
tuning down a half step gives a reference pitch of 435 no matter how you look at it. my guitar rig plug in has a hover over that says "reference pitch 435" because that's what I tune too.
 
im not sure how we got in to breaking down strings in to frequency's..lol  you did that.
 
I think the bigger issue is,I started with a positive comment that said I tune down to 435 to help me sing better.
and when he said I disagreed, I called him on it and some how he turned that argument into frequency's.lol
just could nt leave my comment alone..he tried but he couldn't...i understand..anyone that does not agree with you is wrong in your eyes...lol
 
JB, you surely must have better things to do with your life than follow me around this forum ?
seems like you log in,go looking for my posts and get all excited.
i come here to help people out, not look down on people or disagree because i think im always right.
you think your always right about every little thing...always..
even to the poor guy who started this thread..
 
and how many times have i asked you...and even asked you nicely to leave me alone ????
but you cant.. you have no self control..you need to quote or reply to me in some shape or form..
see if you can understand this..i have no will to interact with you on this forum..none.
you offer me nothing important...this is why i don't reply to your comments...
 
i could see if i was replying to you in threads..but i don't ever even reply to you..lol
 
you have someone here saying please leave me alone... but you wont. you just keep pushing and pushing.
sound like a diagnosis ?
it should.
 
im trying to spare everyone from having to deal with this, and it could have been avoided easily if you just didt reply, don't reply..i don't really care.
 
good luck with that.lol
 
 
 

Hate to jump in on such a nonsensical argument,  but for the record JB101 is correct.
 
The tunings and sounds of the geetars and vocal range being easier have to do with the physical range and workings of the instruments.  Not the actual pitch that is disguised as one frequency or another on a piece of paper.  I hope that makes sense.  Tunning down just makes it easier to hit higher "notes"...not higher frequencies...nor does it change how those frequencies sit against each other.  You just have a looser string playing a higher pitch.
 
And Bitflipper...what's wrong with VVocal??  You beat me to a great joke there.  Well played sir!