chuckebaby


I don't know...lol
 
I just keep going back to this post
 

jb101
 Tuning down a semitone ( half step) gives a reference pitch of 415.3, not 435, i.e. you are tuning your guitar to e flat.
 
Those bands understood that.  You did not, obviously.
 
Geez..

 
tuning down a half step gives a reference pitch of 435 no matter how you look at it. my guitar rig plug in has a hover over that says "reference pitch 435" because that's what I tune too.
 
im not sure how we got in to breaking down strings in to frequency's..lol  you did that.

 
What do you think the 435 is, if not a frequency?  Where is this hover over?  In the tuner?  I'm not trying to difficult, I'm trying to understand how you come to these conclusions.  How can one discuss pitch without reference to frequencies? You did see the thread is called "Tuning to 432Hz" didn't you?
 

chuckebaby
 
 
JB, you surely must have better things to do with your life than follow me around this forum ?
seems like you log in,go looking for my posts and get all excited.
i come here to help people out, not look down on people or disagree because i think im always right.
you think your always right about every little thing...always..
even to the poor guy who started this thread..
 
 

 
Following you around?  Mine was the second post here.  Who's following whom?  All I did was point out that you were not correct in your statements - something you don't appear to like.

A couple of things this tuning theory seems to ignore:
 
1. It changes according to air pressure and relation to sea level.
2. Tuned melodic pit instruments (marimba, vibraphone, bells, etc) are set by the manufacturer and the current common standard is A=442
 
No matter what the theory or the preference, tuning is relative to who you're playing with and what style and instrument you're playing.
We have a term for those that demand to play A=432
We call them flat.

OK so how do i go about recording softsynths at 432 Hz?   What if the softsynth doesn't have that parameter?  then what?

aglewis723 OK so how do i go about recording softsynths at 432 Hz?   What if the softsynth doesn't have that parameter?  then what?

Wouldn't that be a better question to ask those people that convinced you to tune to that nonstandard? Once they tell you how to tune it their way, then record it the same way you always have.

Having 435 Hz represent A is not the same thing as tuning down a half step. A half step below A is Ab and the Ab below A 440 is 415.30. Sorry, Chuck; I really appreciate your presence on the forum, but jb101 is right on this.

benjaminfrog
Having 435 Hz represent A is not the same thing as tuning down a half step. A half step below A is Ab and the Ab below A 440 is 415.30. Sorry, Chuck; I really appreciate your presence on the forum, but jb101 is right on this.

Thanks, Benjaminfrog. I realise now that Charlie just won't listen to anything I say, so I hope he might listen to someone else, at least enough to research.

I, too, appreciate his presence here - his videos have been a great help to many.

@ spacey - I have played around with the micro turnings in Zeta. This idea of alternate timings and temperaments has always interested me. I first played around with them at music college, and then later when I got a Roland XP-60, which allowed you to micro tune each note.

Ptolemaic, Pythagorean, mean tone and just intonation can sound very odd to modern ears. I'm eternally grateful for the well tempered clavier and equal temperament.

Chuckebaby, knowledge comes in all types of ways and if you are good with what you do, more power to you, but you are talking about humiliating the other cat and all that.... you sound like a novice cook trying to argue with a master BBQ chef that Boston Pork Butt is really actually meat from the hiney and not the shoulder because it clearly says "butt." The chef keeps trying to tell you it is from the shoulder but, oh well.
 
From the guitar rig manual, notice there is a detuning reference pitch selection as well as a detune by one semitone selection, because they are not the same. I have played guitar for 20plus year, a decade plus professionally gigging, have had loads of tuners, have had classes on the physics of sound where I had to calculate the pitch of a sound you would hear with an object coming toward you due to doppler shift... This is sound physics basic 101. Not something you should be trying to call someone out on. Take the new knowledge and bring it to what you already can do. Try an expirement with a good tuner. Set the tuner to A, if it has a hertz read out see what it says when you play A 435, it will say you are playing A slightly flat. Now put the tuner on for Ab (half step down,) it will show that 435 hertz as way way way way sharp to a reference pitch of Ab. This is beginner knowledge to any guitarist who has played a lot.. I mean a lot. That doesn't mean they are better than you, just more experienced, there is a difference. The whole reason there is an option to tune to A = 435 or 432 is so because it fits in in a crack that won't get you there if you simple want to tune to A = Ab. Otherwise why not just choose to tune to Ab?
 
Guitar Rig Manual
▪ REFERENCE PITCH sets the tuning reference, from A=425Hz to A=455Hz. The exact
pitch is shown while you drag the knob.
▪ CENTS shows the deviation from ideal tuning in cents.
▪ TUNE transposes the tuning range. If you e.g. want to tune all strings a semitone lower,
set drop tune to -1.

Hi, Charlie. I agree that things may be getting lost in translation, but I have read the entirety of the thread and, to me, the crux of it seems to be the use of the term "half step". Regardless of how diplomatic folks are being or not being, 440 to 435 is, unfortunately, not a half step.

Chregg, I love your avatar. That's hysterical.

Chregg
" 440 to 435 is, unfortunately, not a half step." 416 I think is a half step down

so if you were to set your reference pitch to 435 in guitar rig, tune all your strings to the center of the scope.
now play an E note.
now compare this same e note to concert pitch piano or typical soft synth, which are tuned to 440 I believe if im not mistaken.
 
where does that e note compare match on that soft synth  ???
 
e flat
 
that's a half step down.
 
so your guitar is now tuned down a half step.
 
so if im wrong, I will admit it right now and say im a fool. I have no problems with that.
 
but for some odd reason, by tuning my guitar to a REFERENCE pitch of 435.
that piano will have to play every key a half step lower to match my guitar.
 
surely guitar rigs tuner and every tuner Ive ever owned not calibrated properly?

Soz guys I just looked up a half step, i thought a half step was a semi tone :p

Wow. That was really gracious, Charlie. You've got my respect.

will someone explain a half step in laymans terms for me, Chuck, JB, Ben ??

Chregg
will someone explain a half step in laymans terms for me, Chuck, JB, Ben ??

A half-step is moving from one note to another within the chromatic scale.
A half-step is moving from a note played on one string from one fret to another on a guitar or fretted instrument built on the 12 note system.
A half-step is playing from one key to the next on a piano and not skipping over the black keys ;) Up or down- left or right...
A half-step is one-half of a whole-step.
A half-step on the musical staff is like a note from inbetween the lines and then the same note with a sharp or flat. (either indicating that the note moved one-half step- a sharp or flat indicates that a note has been raised or lowered one-half step.  ( I corrected this line...written quickly and incorrectly while at work)
 
(it doesn't matter how the instrument is tuned and it doesn't matter if the OP got his answer or not because this is all so much more important)
 
 
OH yeah....there are two natural half steps...we don't want to leave that out. E-F and B-C......what it means is that there are no notes inbetween them (or accidentals) as there are with all the others.

I am tuning to the Arabic scale included with my synth.
Or the India scale.
That's it, no more Western influence on anything anymore.
 
http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/roland-xp-10-system-exclusive-messages-for-arabic-scale/