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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 16:36:37
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I expect that upcoming update will contain really huge amount of fixes and optimizations.
After that I'd like to see next update with one new feature, many workflow enhancements, new preferences options and some forms and menus updated.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 16:55:25
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/11/16 17:26:09
I expect the next update to contain the results of a ton of effort on the part of the Cakewalk staff.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 17:07:26
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/16 17:27:01
I expect the next update to pi$$ off at least one person.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 17:14:51
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/11/16 17:25:56
I expect to expect the expected.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 17:38:00
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Doktor Avalanche
Time for a feature freeze to last more than just a month IMHO.
Anderton
All you need to do is convince the people posting requests for new features to agree with you, and it will happen.
? And people don't post here about bugs and workflow issues every day, many of which get confirmed as reproducable and hang around for years... Maybe vice versa if that logic is to be imposed. It's a rather odd suggestion IMHO. No wonder stuff does not get fixed if this is the real thinking...
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 17:45:32
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/11/16 18:01:19
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I expect the next update to pi$$ off at least one person.
and at least ONE post where the user is: leaving the forum going back to _______ DAW (fill in the blank) having crashes and hives and a plague of locusts creating a ban/ignore/on line fight
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 18:34:07
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I anticipate extreme anticipation. And disappointment. And Joy! And regret. And sorrow. Outrage and mania are sure to follow, with many calming words of wisdom unheard. I await these with worm on tongue for I shall have an even better tool to create the music that fills me with this rainbow of emotion, that better enables the buildup and ultimate release ... so I can begin criticisms and requests with renewed vigor that only a new version of software can bring. Is it ready yet? Has CCC shown us the light? Brought us hope of a brighter tomorrow?! Maybe I need some new plugins ... or another glass of wine 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 19:32:47
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Maybe vice versa if that logic is to be imposed. It's a rather odd suggestion IMHO.
No wonder stuff does not get fixed if this is the real thinking... I know you're being rhetorical, but all Craig is saying is that there is a lot of pressure from users to implement new features. Now. Better yet, yesterday.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 19:33:30
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/11/16 19:50:48
Doktor Avalanche
Doktor Avalanche
Time for a feature freeze to last more than just a month IMHO.
Anderton
All you need to do is convince the people posting requests for new features to agree with you, and it will happen.
?
And people don't post here about bugs and workflow issues every day, many of which get confirmed as reproducable and hang around for years...
Maybe vice versa if that logic is to be imposed. It's a rather odd suggestion IMHO.
No wonder stuff does not get fixed if this is the real thinking...
Hyperbole does not lead to productive discussions. Stuff DOES get fixed. There have been hundreds of bug fixes since SONAR 2015 started...way more than were applied to X3 in an equivalent period of time. You can complain that they're not the fixes you wanted, but to say "stuff does not get fixed" is ludicrous. My point is look at all the people clamoring for "more things that relate to EDM!" "re-do MIDI from scratch!" "be more like Cubase!" "give us more color options!" "make the GUI look like Samplitude!" "make a dedicated window for editing waveforms!" "add noise reduction!" "gives us more analytic for mastering!" etc. etc....you can read the feature request forum as well as anyone. How do you think they would feel if Cakewalk did nothing but bug fixes for several months? Make no mistake, people are just as vocal in saying "we want new features" as "we want bug fixes." And generally, it's likely that if people are getting along with SONAR and it works for them, they may place little value (if any) on bug fixes only. So that's why I say if you want a diet that consists of nothing but bug fixes, you will need to convince the people who will be up in arms that their favorite feature hasn't been added that bug fixes for things that may not even bother them are more important than the features they want.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 19:43:53
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There is no big difference between bug fixes and new features. New features could make bugs not important, and bug fixes could make old features to be like new. The number of ideas what to do is not endless, and if that speed of improvements will not reduce, all important changes will be done. Of course if developers would not reject good ideas because of some personal reasons. Maybe even more important is not to remove existing features and not change it that way that user can't continue do what he did before, if he wants. Maybe it was the main issue with X-series, and in the new Sonar it is much better.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:12:43
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Anderton
Make no mistake, people are just as vocal in saying "we want new features" as "we want bug fixes." And generally, it's likely that if people are getting along with SONAR and it works for them, they may place little value (if any) on bug fixes only. So that's why I say if you want a diet that consists of nothing but bug fixes, you will need to convince the people who will be up in arms that their favorite feature hasn't been added that bug fixes for things that may not even bother them are more important than the features they want.
Have you measured Sonars reputation outside the forums recently where new customers may come from? Sadly I see a lot of people already convinced about what they perceive about stability and reliability issues. Sonar is getting a reputation, well has had it for some time. It's time it got squashed. And before somebody starts cherry picking my quotes, being disloyal or calling me a royal pain in the ass, please read this in context, I was not the one going down this path.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:15:34
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/16 20:46:37
Alex, have you checked your forum reputation outside of this forum. You make such an impression that people mention you specifically at KVR and Gearslutz.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:17:33
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Anderton
Hyperbole does not lead to productive discussions. Stuff DOES get fixed. There have been hundreds of bug fixes since SONAR 2015 started...way more than were applied to X3 in an equivalent period of time. You can complain that they're not the fixes you wanted, but to say "stuff does not get fixed" is ludicrous.
You are just going for the soundbyte, please let me remind you what I wrote just one post before. Doktor Avalanche
I don't see much choice. Hope it's like this for a good few months. Sonar has long been out of balance between new features and fixes/long standing workflow issues. Whilst I've seen many legacy issues plugged with platinum (not enough IMHO as the balance was way off from the start) I'm perceiving just as many new issues to replace the fixes.
Time for a feature freeze to last more than just a month IMHO.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:18:06
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I think it's great to have the rollback feature because otherwise I would've been stuck with a buggy JP. Now if I'd been on subscription paying a measly $14.95 per month - $21.05 AU - and then having to wait for 2 week for Tech Support to get back to me and then having to spend hours going through problem-solving and then having to spend another $21 the next month to get 'possible' fixes, I'm going to pretty ticked off especially with no guarantees an additional amount of money will fix the issues.
Whilst I appreciate new features and optimisations each month, if I have a working DAW and then such an update turns it into issues and a waste of money - as measly as $21 bucks is, which all adds up mind you when your not earning a lot - then I guess I'm not going to be singing Sonar praises for a while...but of course it's easy to whinge when you have a great DAW and then an update makes it unusable...get spoiled I suppose.
Irrrespective, I'm currently on Ipswich which is working fine but I kinda resent I'm unable to access my 'entitled' new features having already paid for them. Maybe there should be a refund process for those monthly updates that introduce issues? Updates that don't work for that month for the user, maybe the next update free? Or maybe next full price renewal, less the updates that didn't work. ;
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:22:19
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Alex, have you checked your forum reputation outside of this forum. You make such an impression that people mention you specifically at KVR and Gearslutz.
Yup I was expecting that kind of response wasn't I? Doktor Avalanche
And before somebody starts cherry picking my quotes, being disloyal or calling me a royal pain in the ass, please read this in context, I was not the one going down this path.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:27:02
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I am curious - if in January I renew my membership for the next 12 month via Steam instead of via the Cakewalk website will all my features from this years subscription will carry across to that one?
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:37:39
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Perhaps this is Pollyannaish but why not both? New features and bug fixes? Oh wait they do that now. What is all the fuss about?
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:42:35
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John
Perhaps this is Pollyannaish but why not both? New features and bug fixes? Oh wait they do that now. What is all the fuss about?
Hmm just in case you didn't get the point, here it is a third time... Doktor Avalanche
I don't see much choice. Hope it's like this for a good few months. Sonar has long been out of balance between new features and fixes/long standing workflow issues. Whilst I've seen many legacy issues plugged with platinum (not enough IMHO as the balance was way off from the start) I'm perceiving just as many new issues to replace the fixes.
Time for a feature freeze to last more than just a month IMHO.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:46:56
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/16 21:01:36
Alex that is your opinion. Its how you see it. Not everyone agrees. Not that you will understand that.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:51:13
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Actually I was pasting in a previous quote, when you asked what the fuss was about, as though it somehow didn't exist or something. Not that you would understand that either. If you hadn't have asked the question and just stated your opinion, I would not have pasted the quote. Maybe next time don't ask the question.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:55:42
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Countdown to locked thread?
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 20:59:08
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Doktor Avalanche
Actually I was pasting in a previous quote, when you asked what the fuss was about, as though it somehow didn't exist or something. Not that you would understand that either.
If you hadn't have asked the question and just stated your opinion, I would not have pasted the quote.
Maybe next time don't ask the question.
Ever hear of a rhetorical question. 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 21:03:18
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Doktor Avalanche
Anderton
Hyperbole does not lead to productive discussions. Stuff DOES get fixed. There have been hundreds of bug fixes since SONAR 2015 started...way more than were applied to X3 in an equivalent period of time. You can complain that they're not the fixes you wanted, but to say "stuff does not get fixed" is ludicrous.
You are just going for the soundbyte, please let me remind you what I wrote just one post before.
Doktor Avalanche
I don't see much choice. Hope it's like this for a good few months. Sonar has long been out of balance between new features and fixes/long standing workflow issues. Whilst I've seen many legacy issues plugged with platinum (not enough IMHO as the balance was way off from the start) I'm perceiving just as many new issues to replace the fixes.
Time for a feature freeze to last more than just a month IMHO.
Of course I read it, I responded to it. You posted two different opinions. I responded to each one individually. Next time, warn me if what you say later is actually superseded by something you said earlier, and I won't feel a need to respond. As to what you label as your opinions or perceptions, you're welcome to entertain any opinion or perception you want...like that you had given up hope for the Concrete Limiter fix ever happening.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 21:03:24
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John
Ever hear of a rhetorical question.
Yes. There's your answer ;)
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 21:11:13
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Doktor Avalanche
Hmm just in case you didn't get the point, here it is a third time...
Doktor Avalanche
I don't see much choice. Hope it's like this for a good few months. Sonar has long been out of balance between new features and fixes/long standing workflow issues. Whilst I've seen many legacy issues plugged with platinum (not enough IMHO as the balance was way off from the start) I'm perceiving just as many new issues to replace the fixes.
Time for a feature freeze to last more than just a month IMHO.
We do get the point. Repeating it for a third time simply means that some people are disagreeing with the same point over and over again. Repeating the same thing will not change anyone's opinion. New data, or data based on factual information rather than your perceptions, will be more effective if you want to change opinions.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 21:15:10
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Anderton
As to what you label as your opinions or perceptions, you're welcome to entertain any opinion or perception you want...like that you had given up hope for the Concrete Limiter fix ever happening.
I've also given up hope that Rap Pro,Z3TA+2, selection, zoom, drum maps, takelanes issues and bugs will be resolved as well... Please for the love of god prove me wrong again..
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/16 21:36:29
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 21:27:37
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2015/11/17 08:51:29
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Countdown to locked thread?
We have to exhaust entertainment value first.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 21:29:42
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Doktor Avalanche
Please for the love of god prove me wrong again..
Technically, Cakewalk proved you wrong.  Frankly, I'd rather have Mix Recall, VocalSync, and upsampling than a better drum map UI. But I realize not everyone has the same priorities, nor do I expect everyone to embrace whatever opinion I have. SONAR being suitable for a wide variety of projects attracts people with very different needs and priorities. I accept the limitations in all the tools I use, and work with them to create music. I prefer to use what I have to the fullest rather than fixate on what I don't have.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 21:38:42
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bapu
Countdown to locked thread?
We have to exhaust entertainment value first.
Damn straight! Threads are no fun if they say "I turned on SONAR, and it worked for several hours while I did musical projects. I played keyboards, guitar, and sang. When I got tired, I turned off the computer, brushed my teeth, and went to bed. I set my alarm so I wouldn't be late for work. I will probably use SONAR again tomorrow." No entertainment value in that kind of thread!! We need conflict, the frisson of stimulating thought engendering new responses and concepts that propel music forward into exciting and uncharted territory! Or we can complain about stuff, which apparently is a whole lot easier than "Discussion focused on the use of SONAR Producer, Studio, Essential and Base."
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/11/16 21:38:58
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Anderton
Frankly, I'd rather have Mix Recall, VocalSync, and upsampling than a better drum map UI.
Personally I would have prefered Rap Pro,Z3TA+2, selection, zoom, drum maps, takelanes issues and bugs, and whatever is left on this list resolved .... http://forum.cakewalk.com.m.aspx?m=3009969&p=1.. and the load of stuff hanging around the problem reports forums.. .. rather than have mix recall, vocalsync and upsampling, and drum replacer come along introducing even more bugs of their own (which clearly took a lot of time fixing). I know, I must be... crazy...
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/16 21:55:43
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