Look, whatever man. I'm not interested in giving you a bug list. I've reported them in to Cakewalk, with various steps to reproduce, and had various things confirmed and agreed by them as bugs. X2 came out in *September* last year, five months more or less to the day. For three of those months, to me, v700 support sucked really hard. For the last two of those months, it's sucked less, but still doesn't work right. At no point has it been fully functional. If you're happy with that, go on and be happy, I'm not stopping you.

But John, if the actual state of the system is slowing or stopping you, nobody can blame you of being upset. No doubt about it...

I hear, feel and agree with all your pain John. Like the knobs still don't even line up with the eq in the PC. I tried to use ACT to set it myself but I couldn't get that to work either and that should be the simplest of things to implement.

I feel for all you who own this and invested so much. I wanted one badly during the 8.0 days.  It would seem that the integration into the X series would have had the hardware at or near the top of compatibility goals. Reading through this, I think if I owned one, I would feel like John and others. The unit was over priced from the start, and then... it appears they (roland/cake) are slowly breaking up and abandoning the hardware.

Hmm. Define "accept", is what I suppose I'd say to that. I mean, yeah, I accept that appears to be the reality. But if indeed that is the reality, then Cakewalk simply aren't a company that I can give my business to any more. It's very, very not cool how they've handled this whole thing.

I so badly wanted one of these console's and I waited for that UK and Canadian deals to happen in the USA .. BUT it never happened .. They never offered us the USA customer base this deal .. Considering Cake is based in Boston What The HELL. Screw the hand that feeds you!!
 I would never buy Cakewalk hardware ever not after seeing what they did to everyone that spent so much money on something that they abandoned ..
 Im sure there's people still paying off this console too... Such a shame!!

There is no information to suggest that this is still be worked on. Cakewalk have been silent on that question, as they have on whether there is to be another x2 patch. I think it's worth pointing that out in fairness to potential customers. 

Hey c'mon Mr Munnis where are you hiding - you graciously acknowledge the on going issues then disappear without even a hint that they will be fixed - its about time someone grew a pair and just told the truth - I would much rather receive bad news than no news.

reminds me of Punxsutawney

It may (or may not, we'll never know) have been a strategic decision at Cakewalk to put their focus on the toy side (e.g. touch, iPad remote, etc) to target mass market / home user / annual upgraders and keep upgrade fees flowing. If so, they'll eventually run off pro users, which are after stability, usability and workflow. You just cannot satisfy users at opposite end of the spectrum.

I've observed similar with other companies (e.g. IK) that release gimmicks instead of serious tools and provide poor/zero support for their other products; I strongly doubt that I'll put more money into their products. 

Personally, I can work quite alright with X2a. Pls don't hit me (!?!) but I do get along with it OK (having never used 8.5.3 so there is no comparison). However, what I dread is that the things that work now and didn't until X2null, will be broken again in X2b, X3 or whatever. I'm getting tired of upgrades at all ends (not just Cake) where you can't be sure what you're in for ...

Obviously, predicting the future is a fool's errand, but I'll have a tentative bet on touch screen not being a big deal for Sonar for quite some time yet. The Windows tablets are not flying off the shelves, for one thing.

We'll see. I may well be proven wrong. I think touch makes sense for some use cases and not others. I think in music production, that use case will turn out to be for some types of writing and performance activity. For full on mixing, I'm very skeptical. I mean, that Slate touch console is kind of "wow", but once you get past that first impression, it seems like a solution looking for a problem to me.

kday


All bug issues that CW acknowledged in X2a are being looked at for completion. I don't believe CW acknowledge a bug then forgets about it. Sonar X programs usually have a,b,c,d, upgrades. X2 is only at a, therefore there may be 3 additional b,c,d, updates to follow. If CW can't reproduce the bug don't expect them to fix it. If CW acknowledged the bug, it may be fixed in an upcoming update. Standard procedure. I believe every bug issue in the VS700 they can identify will be fixed before the final X2 maintenance release is issued.

based on ... pure speculation? insider knowledge? or female intuition?

homework has been done over and over, it's cakewalk not doing theirs. X1 a,b,c and d did not bring the VS700 to proper use aside from the pushing of faders and other basic stuff. And maybe the way they've dealt with the VS system since is why this VS forum is so full of what we see around here. You can't blame ppl for being upset after the amount of money they've put it out for this and you can expect ppl to just be quiet and go away about it either.

CW has timetables to releasing updates. But that's the way fixing bugs and beta testing works. Fixing bugs always increases the chance of breaking something else. They have only so much personnel and time to re-test every single parameter in a thousands. It's gonna happen, we the user has to also help and identify what's newly broken and just report it so they can try to fix it before X2d. That's the best the company can do. I used to be a beta tester so i know how that aspect works. I don't blame folks for being mad that CW couldn't fix and test every single bug in a thousand before releasing X1. That was impossible for them, even tho i don't like it, I know it takes a great deal of time and resources to fix every single bug in V700 system within months, that's impossible. CW have to release the next generation upgrade to Sonar on a timely basis, that can't be delayed. Fixing bugs for the VS700 can be, and was delayed unfortunately for us. I see them fixing all the bugs (they can identify) on a timely basis now that X2 is released and being maintenance'd. I don't think CW have given up on V700 just yet. I think they are just doing what they can in a scheduled timely manner. It's not as fast as we think it should be but, I see they are trying to continued maintenance releases every so often. My final verdict will come when X2d is released and not b4 even tho I understand many people believe they have the resources to fix hundreds of bugs overnight while working on a new platform that upgrades the program overall also. I feel you guys pain though, but I feel much better seeing CW bug fixes quarterly.