John
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 17:29:55
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Keep in mind you're now ~18 months *after* Vista was released. I like to be on top of things you know. An early adopter if you ask me. LOL I do like things to settle a bit before I feel safe in moving forward. After all I do have some responsibilities to deal with. But this has been the least painful upgrade of an OS I ever made. Now anyone want to load up my plugins? Oh it was a clean install too with the Vista Ultimate upgrade.  I kinda got over like a fat rat here.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 17:43:50
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ORIGINAL: Jim Roseberry
XP would still freeze up or craash when I was using Sonar at 16 bit 44.1 khz with no more than 25 to 30 tracks with low resource using plugs every now and then.
FWIW, Those problems were not inherently due to Windows XP.
It was a hardware/config issue.
The problem that many of us had with Vista was it was a major step backwards when working at really low-latency settings (especially with high system loads).
As I said above, fast forward to now (~18 months after its release - SP1 and lots of patches/updates later)... and Vista runs pretty much neck-and-neck with WinXP... at the expense of a larger memory footprint.
With solid hardware/config, stability has not been an issue with either WinXP or Vista.
I have the same harware and configuration but different OS now
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 18:08:53
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 20:20:01
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This may be of interest to some Vista tweaks Tweaks A nice site that may be of use to some.
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Jim Roseberry
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:01:15
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I have the same harware and configuration but different OS now FWIW, As someone who has built literally hundreds of WinXP DAWs, I can assure you that WinXP is not blanketly/inherently unstable. There are many config variables that could explain an unstable WinXP (or Vista for that matter). IME, Both WinXP and Vista are very stable.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:06:34
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I'd listen to Jim. He built me an overclocked q6600 XP system, and it's rock solid.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:12:32
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ORIGINAL: kb420
I'd listen to Jim. He built me an overclocked q6600 XP system, and it's rock solid.
I don't question Jim's expertise, I'm just responding to him based on my experience. And I think he'd probably agree that if anyone does their homework before hand as it pertains to Vista and hardware drivers they would most likley experience a positive experience with the OS.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:14:49
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I agree. I know that I would, still at this point, have issues with a Vista system. So, I use XP.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:17:49
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ORIGINAL: twisted6s
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I have the same harware and configuration but different OS now
Not sure what your point is. I have a similar setup as you (Q6600, 4 GB of ram, Sonar, Delta 66) with Win XP, and it has been rock-solid pretty much from the day I put it together. JD
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:25:05
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ORIGINAL: JonD
ORIGINAL: twisted6s
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I have the same harware and configuration but different OS now
Not sure what your point is.
I have a similar setup as you (Q6600, 4 GB of ram, Sonar, Delta 66) with Win XP, and it has been rock-solid pretty much from the day I put it together.
JD
My point certainly isn't that XP is bad, my point is that Vista is good
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:28:10
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Hello John. I am new here, I actually posted tonight "Sonar PE & Motu 896HD thread"
I am running Vista Ultimate 64 bit. I am in the tweaking stages. What are some of the issues people are having with 64bit vista?
Is anyone running it? I don't want to spend tons of time beating a dead horse trying to set this up.
I would love 64 bit to work for my 8 gigs of ram.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:37:08
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ORIGINAL: AJ_0000
.... XP is extremely old for an OS. Waiting for the next version will be the equivalent of somebody using Windows 3.1 until XP came out. It's that old.
Yes, it is that old. And still installed on more PCs than any other OS on the planet. Context is everything, isn't it?  JD
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:47:53
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My point certainly isn't that XP is bad, my point is that Vista is good I would say that is my point too. LOL
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 21:56:42
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Hello John. I am new here, I actually posted tonight "Sonar PE & Motu 896HD thread"
I am running Vista Ultimate 64 bit. I am in the tweaking stages. What are some of the issues people are having with 64bit vista?
Is anyone running it? I don't want to spend tons of time beating a dead horse trying to set this up.
I would love 64 bit to work for my 8 gigs of ram.
I have the 64 bit version on the DVD but have not installed it. I know I have very few things that will work with it. To me its a great move forward but if you don't have all 64 bit hardware drivers then its going to be a pain to get it working well. In a simple computer setup it would be no problem but here we are all dealing with DAWs and that is the show stopper. At some point we/I will have to scrap the old gear and get the new stuff but that time is not here yet. If I were you and I had this much trouble I would go back to 32 bit Vista for now and then see how it goes. At that you can take your time an upgrade to new hardware with the right drivers. We are all in a transition phase of DAWdom. It will work itself out in the end.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/09 22:22:46
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Thanks John. I'm still getting studders and squeaks. It won't kill me to format, and try vista 32bit.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 00:19:07
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My point certainly isn't that XP is bad, my point is that Vista is good Vista works well at this point... My criticism of Vista revolved around it's (earlier) low-latency performance being a major step backwards. This is no longer an issue... (low-latency performance is right on par with WinXP)
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 01:12:18
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I'll try asio in the morning. Thanks guys
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 03:06:00
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Hiya John:
I had to go with Vista, too! I was having some problems with XP and older games. I bought Vista Home Basic and Ultimate. It's a good OS, but I really hate the UAC stuff. I keep UAC turned off, and I have a dual boot. One boot for Music Production, and one for Gaming and general PC stuff.
Though I was reluctant to admit it, Vista is more stable than XP for me and the stuff I do using my PC, and it's great for gaming!
I'm still determined to get me a dedicated DAW. I will be contacting Jim for that sometime between now and December.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 12:57:04
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One more thing search is superb in Vista. It is fast and accurate. I have 6 HDs to search with a lot of data of all sorts. I was able to find a setup file that I was not able to find by browsing. Search found it in seconds. If for no other reason I recommend Vista for its search alone. XP would never have found it nor would I have unless I just stumble on to it. What was so amazing was it did it across all the disks as fast as XP would have on one file. It also found the email relating to this setup file. So I had the file and its registration info all in seconds. I think those that have been knocking Vista knew it was good and just didn't want us to find out how good.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 13:53:53
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I've been on Vista x64 for a year now with Sonar x32. I have two quad core 6600's and one is my daw. I found that removing the analog phone modems did the most to improve the performance of Vista x64. The drivers for the phone modems were really bad. If you have broadband or wireless, try taking them out. Also, when using your daw disable the wireless and wired lan cards. I dont use Sonar x64 because my projects are all done at 24/96.
post edited by grasshole - 2008/09/10 13:59:08
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 16:20:20
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ORIGINAL: John
I think those that have been knocking Vista knew it was good and just didn't want us to find out how good.
Hi John, I know your remarks are tongue in cheek but I do believe there is a lot of truth in there. I've seen people condemning Vista who have never used it or just have a little bit of experience on their 'wife's laptop' etc but haven't given it an objective work-out with their DAW software. I've been running Vista for a year now and my PC isn't just a DAW, it's a family computer used for loads of other things - the only change I've made is to use my TonePort as the system soundcard and add a pair of decent nearfields. Once I'd got everything up and running it's been running like an absolute dream - when I use my old XP PC for anything I just can't wait to get back onto my Vista machine, it just does things better and quicker IMO, even more so since I installed SP1. The only problem is John, you'll have to keep switching off all that Aero stuff you like when you're recording - it sucks up memory like a sponge! Steve Oh yeah, and you're right about the search - it's dynamite!
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 16:27:10
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I dont use Sonar x64 because my projects are all done at 24/96. ??? Sonar x64 is the 64Bit program (designed to be used with a 64Bit OS) This has nothing to do with the audio resolution Sonar uses to record/sum audio tracks. IOW, You can run Sonar x86 under WinXP-x86... and sum with 64Bit Float resolution. You could also be runnin Sonar x64 under Vista-x64... and sum with 32Bit Float resolution.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 17:18:07
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John, something I forgot to mention in my previous post - have you cottoned on to one of Vista's best kept secrets, ReadyBoost? A fast USB flash drive can be quickly configured to allow [only] Vista to use it for extra RAM on your system. There's no software to install - when you insert the memory stick, Windows checks its capabilities and if it matches the minimum speed requirements, it gives you the option in Autoplay to use it as extra RAM - you even get to choose how much of the stick's memory you want to set aside for this. I got a very fast 4gig stick that I just leave inserted all the time - a marvellous idea, I just don't understand why either Microsoft or the companies who sell these compatible flash drives don't make more of a thing about this excellent feature. Steve
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 17:24:24
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I just don't understand why either Microsoft or the companies who sell these compatible flash drives don't make more of a thing about this excellent feature. FWIW, Even a "fast" flash drive is extremely................. s l o w .................. compared to real RAM. Translation: Ready-boost is useless for DAW specific purposes
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 17:31:18
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ORIGINAL: Jim Roseberry
I just don't understand why either Microsoft or the companies who sell these compatible flash drives don't make more of a thing about this excellent feature.
FWIW, Even a "fast" flash drive is extremely................. s l o w .................. compared to real RAM.
Translation: Ready-boost is useless for DAW specific purposes
Thanks for the info Jim - bearing in mind I'm fully aware of your track record in this field, I know you're comments are 100% reliable, accurate and well intentioned. Apologies to John, don't waste your money on this mate!!
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 17:59:00
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Hi Steve, If/when flash drives approach the speed of dedicated RAM, it may be entirely different.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 18:04:37
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ORIGINAL: Jim Roseberry
Hi Steve,
If/when flash drives approach the speed of dedicated RAM, it may be entirely different.
I guess it's a case of when something sounds too good to be true - it probably is! I've got 3gig of RAM on my dual core and it seems to cope with everything I throw at it so I guess I fell for the hype - now I know why they don't big it up so much! Thanks again for clarifying it though Jim.
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 18:09:09
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i presume sonar 8 will work on xp??!!!
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 18:29:37
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Sure it will Mgh....LOL
Cj
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RE: Vista and Sonar
2008/09/10 18:34:52
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Readyboost doesn't use the flash drive as RAM. It uses it as disk cache. And it does work.
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