Kamikaze
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/03 03:25:46
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My dilemma now, is will a future update fix the issue the last update caused with UWP drivers. So am I better allowing updates to find out?
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GregRband
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/03 05:22:31
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I just got a decent size Windows update just now, after my Fall Creators update last week. Lets see if the ASIO and sound driver issues get better.....
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Sycraft
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/03 08:51:39
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mudgel After informing my self on the state of the Fall Creators update, 2 weeks ago I downloaded the iso for my laptop and installed it..after 2 weeks of running smoothly I decided to install it on my DAW where it is also running fine, though I did have to go into Sonar and select my ASIO driver again.
Why oh why do people get so negative?
It is as it ever has been with Windows updates. For some reason, people with very little computer security knowledge are pretty sure they know better than Microsoft what they need. Likewise one person will report a problem, a problem that was often as not partially their issue, and everyone amplifies it and takes it as an example of how evil Microsoft is. A good example would be the "Vista's DRM doesn't allow high resolution audio." You probably heard it, it still kicks around online. It all traces back to an article by Peter Gutmann who installed Vista on a system with an old soundcard that then didn't work properly (full duplex mode didn't work right in Vista). Sonar, of course, worked great on Vista doing 24/96 multi-channel audio no issue. I have seen it with audio pros, I have seen it with gamers, I have seen it with IT pro, people that are convinced that updates are an evil, evil thing and will break everything. Personally, I am all in on updates, not just Windows updates. At home and at work I make sure that OSes, applications, switches, storage arrays, BIOSes, etc all get updated. End result? Things work well and we largely avoid getting screwed by security issues. Personally I've seen very little issue with Windows 10 feature updates. I've seen zero on my primary desktop/DAW system. We have had an occasional system at work with an issue, one laptop last week got 1709 and its net stopped working... so we told it to roll back to 1703 and not apply 1709, it'll skip to the next release when it comes out. You always want to test and check updates before they go on critical systems, of course, and a DAW certainly qualifies for sound pros. But the idea that they are evil and will screw you up is just silly.
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Maarkr
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/03 14:33:24
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Installed the W10 Creator Edition 1709 B16299.98 last night - abt 2 hrs. Went smooth, SPLAT runs good and the only thing I've seen is the usual switching of audio playback device to an NVidia HD device. I must say that the method of monthly MS Updates have gone well over the past couple of years, compared to the awful method of loading/upgrading the OS (ie, 8 to 10). I have noticed a couple of updates that tried to load and were not successful, but it kept trying and was later fixed by a follow-on update. It caused no issues during that time.
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GregRband
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/03 17:03:49
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Not a big issue in the audio device switching, I know, but frustrating to say the least. Other than that, I’ve mostly been very happy with Win 10 since public offering. Call me crazy, but I don’t think you should have to reload drivers and reconfigure things that were working before for an update. Not everyone is computer savvy, and shouldn’t have to be these days. I can’t imagine my parents dealing with this kind of stuff and not have me around to help fix it. To me, that’s bull, but hey, much worse things in the world to be dealing with for sure. Of course guys that know computers like driving will think that is a reciculous statement, but it’s true for the 95% rest of the market share that expect, dare say need, things to just work!
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jm24
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/04 17:12:17
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Currently supporting 60+ computers for individuals and very small organizations. Depending upon what these people do determines how i set the auto-update settings for their computers. For at least half of the machines, the WINDOWS UPDATE service is stopped and disabled. This is the ONLY way to control w10 auto-updates. (Other concerns are all the telemetry crap.) (The Store also has auto update settings for games and other worthless crap. It is disabled when the update service is disable. But if not, it will update gigabytes for the start menu,...) For other client's, whom i seldom visit, updates are set to auto. And when an update is imminent i try to prepare everyone. Some clients do not want to pay for maintenance. The will pay for fixing. Last week, I let one of my main work computers get updated. I have 5 TXT files that are loaded from shortcuts in the startup folder. The update not only deleted the shortcuts, it deleted ALL 5 files from the documents' folder. (Backups are my friend.) The update also removed all EVENT logs before the time of the update. (Losing this history is beyond annoying.) I know the EULA indicates that the MS gods will remove whatever they deem dangerous to their network,... But my TXT files were none of their concern. (NONE of the computers i support are allowed to use MS logins. The EULA is clear: use an MS login and the computer, and everything on it, belongs to MS.) --------------------- During the past two years, updates have: nuke USB ports, lose printer connections (12 times, including for me), video cards defuncting, audio drivers lost, ... And lots of settings changed, that have resulted in extra connection charges. Now, a standard practice for me is to create a disk image before installing any big update. And then another after verifying all works, and full disk cleaning. I do not trust the roll-back function, since it is on the same disk, and gets updated by the update. Because of the updates this past 6 months, I now am faced with at least 4 versions of the w10 interface, privacy settings (new and changed), STORE update ****, cortana crap, different task scheduled telemetry, and auto-maintenance,... (Once had the defragger start during a late night recording session. Now such tasks are disabled.) AND::: There is usually NO indication that an update is pending a restart. Just the computer gets less and less responsive. And some of these updates can take hours to install. I don't give a **** about MOST USED on the start menu. But I now have to endure that stupidity, otherwise the RUN box history is not retained. Stooooopid. And replacing the CONTROL PANEL link on the right-click windows menu with SETTINGS: idiocy. ------------------- Last year when attempting to install a tascam interface, my main audio computer responded by not starting. And since the w10 recovery options are worthless, had to use an image. So, now I have two computers configured for audio. Almost clones. I synchronize files after every session. I update one to test. -----------------
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Cactus Music
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/04 18:03:02
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Don't know if it will be better, but I installed w8.1. I re built my main studio DAW over the weekend and I still had the disk I bought when I first built it. I actually never wanted W10 but of course it just happened one night when I was sleeping and forgot to turn things off. At least W8.1 has the update feature" Tell me about updates but let me deside when to downoad and install" So I now have 2 more or less identicle DAW's, one with W 10 kept up to date and one with 8.1. We'll see which one keeps going and gives me no greif.
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Midiboy
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/04 18:10:55
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It definitely doesn't "break" AD2. You just have to remove the license from the "Old version" of Windows to the new version. Takes all of 3 seconds.
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amiller
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/04 19:48:22
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So, last week I stopped the Windows Update service and set it to disabled. A few days later, some event or elapsed number of day...not sure which, the Windows Update service was re-enabled (not by me) and a MS update got applied. I did NOT restart the service. If appears that stopping and disabling the update service in NOT effective in totally stopping Windows Updates permanently. Is there another method that is effective?
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/04 21:34:46
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Midiboy It definitely doesn't "break" AD2. You just have to remove the license from the "Old version" of Windows to the new version. Takes all of 3 seconds.
I shouldn't even have to do that. If it was working before the update...it should still be working after the update. I shouldn't have to re-install drivers, remove this, tweak that..,so yeah...It did break AD2. It may have been an easy fix, but it should have never happened in the first place.
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Kamikaze
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/07 13:17:17
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It did break UWP drivers though for some devices. Unfortunately mine included, and another user working with Cakewalk for a fix that never occurred because they gt shut down. Now will it fix it again in a future update I don't know enough abut UWP drivers to know if this is possible.
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pwalpwal
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/07 15:33:33
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amiller So, last week I stopped the Windows Update service and set it to disabled. A few days later, some event or elapsed number of day...not sure which, the Windows Update service was re-enabled (not by me) and a MS update got applied. I did NOT restart the service. If appears that stopping and disabling the update service in NOT effective in totally stopping Windows Updates permanently. Is there another method that is effective?
al, it doesn't say which version of win10 you are using in your specs - in win10 pro you can schedule/delay this kind of stuff, i've had the 1709 update sitting ready to install for days already
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mettelus
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/07 19:12:15
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You can also set a local group policy to require authorization to install updates on Win10. However, there are PITAs associated with this as well. MS does not let you "pick and choose" updates, so that method will install the unwanted OS update to get a security update (if you allow one, you get them all). Using the MS catalog to manually download updates is hit or miss as well, since the search engine gets flaky, and you need to know the specifics of your build (MS releases these for every build possible). Iobit's Advanced System Care (even the free version) seems to be able to pull these updates directly for you even with that Group Policy in place. The other PITA is that once a day Windows pops up an entire green screen "Updates are available to install" which locks out the machine until you acknowledge it (then can cancel on the next screen). That screen will pop up at the most inopportune moments even though it is fairly simple to clear out. Anyway... because of the above I would not suggest that route for a DAW machine, but it is (sorta) available.
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amiller
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/07 20:29:53
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I have Windows 10 64 Home Edition. I don't want to schedule/delay updates. I want to totally disable them. Thanks for the pointers...more please.
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elsongs
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/07 21:20:24
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Computer went through the update yesterday. Used a couple Sonar sessions afterward and didn't notice anything unusual.
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soens
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/07 23:14:03
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I don't have Creator's update and I use a Metered connection thru WiFi. I've had no major issues with Sonar but MS still manages to get thru and change things. I've repeatedly had to reset what apps open what files since Win10 insists on forcing EDGE to open EVERYthing. And it can't be removed or it would be.
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mosspa
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/08 08:51:25
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If you haven't turned off Windows automatic updates, and you are concerned about SONAR's continued functioning, you are an idiot! Roll your DAW back to Windows 7 and live with it.
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jamesg1213
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/08 09:04:06
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mosspa If you haven't turned off Windows automatic updates, and you are concerned about SONAR's continued functioning, you are an idiot! Roll your DAW back to Windows 7 and live with it.
What advice would you have for 'idiots' with a W10 Home new build, no W7 to 'roll back' to, and no option for turning off updates?
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pwalpwal
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/08 10:47:59
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jamesg1213
mosspa If you haven't turned off Windows automatic updates, and you are concerned about SONAR's continued functioning, you are an idiot! Roll your DAW back to Windows 7 and live with it.
What advice would you have for 'idiots' with a W10 Home new build, no W7 to 'roll back' to, and no option for turning off updates?
unplug the internet is the only option there i think?
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soens
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/08 10:58:31
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Or what I said. (option 2)! Just beware that Windows 10 is a fickle, demanding, micromanaging lord of your computer if you choose to use it. You are no longer in control!
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jamesg1213
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/08 11:07:33
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soens Or what I said. (option 2)! Just beware that Windows 10 is a fickle, demanding, micromanaging lord of your computer if you choose to use it. You are no longer in control!
When I say 'new build', I mean it was new 2 years ago. I've had no problems with any Windows updates..so far. (except for the usual AD2 malarkey 'remove PC', but I'd say that's XLN's problem)
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jm24
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/08 20:20:23
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☄ Helpfulby pgw 2017/12/09 23:18:41
(FYI: w8.1/10 are way better at multi-core management than w7.) Stuff to do with all windows versions: (w10 is the worst.) Be online: open STORE: disable everything on the settings page / close Run Services.msc :: HOMEGROUP: stop and disable both WINDOWS UPDATE service stop and disable I also stop most video stuff: AMD fuel, external events,.. Task Scheduler: Disable all stuff on the first page:adobe, googleupdate,... ONEDRIVE,... disable all windows telemetry: feed back,... Office telemetry I also disable: auto-defrag,... Settings: privacy thangs general page: ONLY enable "Let windows track app launches,..." Disable ALL other settings on ALL the other Privacy pages/tabs hide Cortana from the task bar / Settings: Cortana disable most stuff: hey cortana, cloud, Start Menu: unpin from start : ALL tiles that are not needed / and those that update Task manager: startup tab: more update stuff shout be stopped here: java, apple ****, software update support,... ONEDRIVE,... It is not possible to disable all MS "phoning home." So, know that once connected to the net all kinds of **** is going to happen. Before installing any update: (do this before connecting to the net) run scandisk create a restore point diskclean / complete Delete everything (check recycle bin first) create system image / repair disk Then:: connect, enable windows update and check for updates, restart, and restart again after all is supposedly good Manually update browsers (chrome, FF, Opera,...) PDF readers, office,.... After installing updates: disconnect from net Change settings to disabled. run scandisk stop the hibernate function, disable the swap file, restart, make sure the files are gone defrag / optimize a few times : moving OS file to front of disk if the software provides create a restore point diskclean / complete Delete everything (keep old windows for roll-back if you are concerned) create system image / repair disk enable swap and hibernate And Bob's yer uncle. ================== AV and Defender,... should be disabled if offline, otherwise they will scan and annoy with wanting to update. Did I get everything?
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pgw
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/09 23:18:32
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Cactus Music Don't know if it will be better, but I installed w8.1. I re built my main studio DAW over the weekend and I still had the disk I bought when I first built it. I actually never wanted W10 but of course it just happened one night when I was sleeping and forgot to turn things off. At least W8.1 has the update feature" Tell me about updates but let me deside when to downoad and install" So I now have 2 more or less identicle DAW's, one with W 10 kept up to date and one with 8.1. We'll see which one keeps going and gives me no greif.
And this works fine with activation etc? I was under the impression that you gave up your Windows 8/8.1 license after 30 days when you upgraded to W10. Or is it just the rollback to previous version that doesn´t work after 30 days? W10 home works ok here after a little tweaking, but I think I prefer W8.1 style and usagewise + Store, the spying hype and the forced updates aren´t exactly what they advertised about. (Don´t tell anyone, but I actually miss some of the stuff people complained about in W8 - for instance the startscreen, People complained about, but had no problems using the same idea/construction in a smartphone ...) To me W10 Home feels like a "consume, consume, consume"-OS when not tweaked.
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JonD
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/10 19:20:57
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jamesg1213 What advice would you have for 'idiots' with a W10 Home new build, no W7 to 'roll back' to, and no option for turning off updates?
You can find legit OEM licenses of Win 8.1 or Win 10 pro on Ebay for as low as $10 on a good day. Other days, they might be as high as $20. You get a valid unused Product key, which is all you need (The OS'es themselves can be downloaded from Microsoft). I've bought half a dozen Widows licenses this way over the past 3 years. Just 2 months ago I grabbed a Win 8.1 Pro and Win 10 Pro for $20 total. Again, perfectly legit. Just keep in mind they are OEM, so once you activate on a system, it's tied to that machine.
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paul jenkins
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/11 02:04:58
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Cactus Music Hey, does anybody use Windows 8.1 and can you turn off Windows updates?? My DAW was originally 8.1 and I still have the disk. I would think I could install that instead of my hacked W7 and then re authorize it as the machine sould still be registered. I just remembered my version of W7 is SP1 and it taked forever to update everything.. The only problem I had with 8.1 was it updated overnight to W10 without me asking. But if you can turn off the up dates that won't happen again. I'm not finding this fact on line so if anybody here knows much appreciated.
This may not help, but.....I eventually figured out how to disable updates in windows 10, underneath windows accessories, is windows administrative tools.....go into services.....find windows updates,click on it, and you can disable it.......and that's my solution, ive just did-enabled all updates
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pmarangoni
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/11 03:10:49
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That creator's update wrecked my IIS (Internet Information Services) but I managed to find a fix online. Microsoft is definitely not the company they used to be.
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jm24
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Re: *WARNING* Incoming Windows 10 Update
2017/12/11 16:47:38
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The ONLY (quick) way to completely STOP Windows update: run services.msc find windows update double click stop the service, if running DISABLE the service click OK This stops the store, and defender, auto updating, as well
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