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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 00:18:35
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☄ Helpfulby hueseph 2018/04/05 06:46:06
What would be great if they grandfather in life time subscribers!
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 00:28:18
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BMOG
What would be great if they grandfather in life time subscribers!
Ummm essentially you are. If you leave Platinum installed you still have access to all activated plugs for use in CbB (other have already proved that today) that run in Platinum. Ad you have the added benefit of *both* version running simultaneously. I highly suspect that LTU users will eventually get all Cakewalk owned/developed plugs via BandLab Assistant (free of course). Your 3rd party stuff (mostly) never relied on Cake servers to authorize and if they did you *may* lose that, but in the case of Melodyne Essentials and AD2 these were external activations with the supplier and they *do not* IIRC reply on the install of Platinum to continue to operate since they come from the Vendor's installers.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 00:38:25
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☄ Helpfulby fresh101 2018/04/05 00:44:46
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fresh101
This is another example of the "How come they?" mentality many Americans suffer from. The original poster probably would not have had a problem receiving the product for free as a loyal paying costumer....but as far as everyone else?..."How come they get it for free too?" is what's really being asked here.
I am American and proud of it, if that means I want my hard earned dollars to count for something then I am guilty as charged. I have paid for every version since cakewalk, which paid the developers that created the latest version of Splat. So yes I fee others should not get for free what my invested dollars have paid for, give them a baseline version but not the latest and greatest
I guess this is a cultural thing. I'm not American, so personally I'm fine with Cakewalk being free, but I work with Americans every day and for an American company, so I do understand the difference in attitude and why you feel the way you do. Meng is from Singapore and was educated in the UK, where many have a different attitude to money.
I look at this way:
1. I too paid for Cakewalk as far back as Pro Audio 7 and at least every other version since. I got what I paid for at the time, I got good use out of it, so I'm happy with that.
2. Sonar Artist (with a few minor exceptions) was not very different from Platinum - it was the bundled plugins that made the difference which aren't being made available with BL Cakewalk. So this is effectively the baseline version.
3. You've still got everything you paid for in the past, and all the bundled plugins you got with your previous versions are available in BL Cakewalk. New users won't have those.
4. I fully expect the missing Cakewalk instruments/pro channel effects etc to become available at some point, and these we will have to pay for. I'm still gutted I didn't buy the PK4S Channel Compressor so I'm hoping this becomes available for purchase soon.
5. Most important... you can spend the money you're not spending on BL Cakewalk on more plugins/instruments/hardware :)
M.
It isn't a cultural thing at all but a Kindergarten tantrum worthy of any five year old. A very wise man once told a story that went something like this: "20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for the usual daily wage, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 When he went out about nine o’clock, he saw others standing idle in the marketplace; 4 and he said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ So they went. 5 When he went out again about noon and about three o’clock, he did the same. 6 And about five o’clock he went out and found others standing around; and he said to them, ‘Why are you standing here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard.’ 8 When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, ‘Call the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and then going to the first.’ 9 When those hired about five o’clock came, each of them received the usual daily wage. 10 Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received the usual daily wage. 11 And when they received it, they grumbled against the landowner, 12 saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ 13 But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage? 14 Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last the same as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ 16 So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” Matthew 20:1-16
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 00:44:19
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Two weeks ago I received an email from BandLab (I expect you all got this as well) where they said:
"it’s important that you make a BandLab account to ensure that we are able to keep track of your past purchases and ownership history" "to make sure you get the appropriate upgrade or crossgrades in the future"
This led me to believe that there would be some advantage to being a past owner (I also had "lifetime"). I'm happy that others can get on board - I've been on to naysaying friends to grab it now. The only thing I'd still like to see is that if they do start charging then they might honor "past purchases and ownership history" as suggested - though if they don't I understand, and I don't expect or demand it... but it would be super nice if they honor my "lifetime" purchase. Let's see what happens. I was really worried that they would port the whole thing to a browser environment, thrilled that they haven't.
Th only thing I'm truly annoyed about is that because I thought it was dead and buried I grabbed Ableton Live 10 - it is unfathomably **** compared to Sonar. I can probably sell on my license.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 00:46:16
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bdickens
msmcleod
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fresh101
This is another example of the "How come they?" mentality many Americans suffer from. The original poster probably would not have had a problem receiving the product for free as a loyal paying costumer....but as far as everyone else?..."How come they get it for free too?" is what's really being asked here.
I am American and proud of it, if that means I want my hard earned dollars to count for something then I am guilty as charged. I have paid for every version since cakewalk, which paid the developers that created the latest version of Splat. So yes I fee others should not get for free what my invested dollars have paid for, give them a baseline version but not the latest and greatest
I guess this is a cultural thing. I'm not American, so personally I'm fine with Cakewalk being free, but I work with Americans every day and for an American company, so I do understand the difference in attitude and why you feel the way you do. Meng is from Singapore and was educated in the UK, where many have a different attitude to money.
I look at this way:
1. I too paid for Cakewalk as far back as Pro Audio 7 and at least every other version since. I got what I paid for at the time, I got good use out of it, so I'm happy with that.
2. Sonar Artist (with a few minor exceptions) was not very different from Platinum - it was the bundled plugins that made the difference which aren't being made available with BL Cakewalk. So this is effectively the baseline version.
3. You've still got everything you paid for in the past, and all the bundled plugins you got with your previous versions are available in BL Cakewalk. New users won't have those.
4. I fully expect the missing Cakewalk instruments/pro channel effects etc to become available at some point, and these we will have to pay for. I'm still gutted I didn't buy the PK4S Channel Compressor so I'm hoping this becomes available for purchase soon.
5. Most important... you can spend the money you're not spending on BL Cakewalk on more plugins/instruments/hardware :)
M.
It isn't a cultural thing at all but a Kindergarten tantrum worthy of any five year old.
A very wise man once told a story that went something like this:
"20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for the usual daily wage, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 When he went out about nine o’clock, he saw others standing idle in the marketplace; 4 and he said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ So they went. 5 When he went out again about noon and about three o’clock, he did the same. 6 And about five o’clock he went out and found others standing around; and he said to them, ‘Why are you standing here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard.’ 8 When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, ‘Call the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and then going to the first.’ 9 When those hired about five o’clock came, each of them received the usual daily wage. 10 Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received the usual daily wage. 11 And when they received it, they grumbled against the landowner, 12 saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ 13 But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage? 14 Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last the same as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ 16 So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” Matthew 20:1-16
5 year old tantrum you say and then come with bible verses into the conversation, typical judgemental mindset on display :)
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 00:54:54
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blame myself.. why did i buy lifetime SPlat...
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 00:59:31
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bdickens
It isn't a cultural thing at all but a Kindergarten tantrum worthy of any five year old.
.........” Matthew 20:1-16
Throws insult, quotes a bible. 
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 01:02:03
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blame myself.. why did i buy lifetime SPlat...
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 01:02:32
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☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2018/04/05 01:03:57
Kamikaze
bdickens
It isn't a cultural thing at all but a Kindergarten tantrum worthy of any five year old.
.........” Matthew 20:1-16
Throws insult, quotes a bible.
Right LOL! I forgive him :)
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 01:24:20
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I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. You can't maintain software by just giving it away for free. There has to be a source of income.
The company of which BandLab is a part appears to have plenty of sources of income.
Quick story. When Musician's Friend owned Harmony Central, when I first came onboard in 2005 the site lost $50,000. I felt terrible about it. I went to the CEO and he said not to worry, the money Musician's Friend got from people buying from their ads on the site added up to way more than enough to keep Harmony Central afloat, and then some.
The CEO had the smarts to realize that Harmony Central wasn't a revenue source, but a marketing expense...and probably the most cost-effective marketing expense they ever incurred  . It wouldn't surprise me if Cakewalk is seen as not just a great DAW, but a way to attract people to a site.
bingo!
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 01:31:43
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☄ Helpfulby Kuusniemi 2018/04/05 22:44:40
Everybody has some kind of mindset. Some have a judgemental mindset. Some have an entitlement mindset.
You got what you were promised. Quit crying. It is really none of your business what the new owners of Cakewalk's intellectual property do with it or who they decide to give it to.
You remind me of the kind of person who would rather sit around complaining about how unfair it is that rich people are so rich than work hard, save your money and make smart decisions so you can get there yourself.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 01:46:24
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Some will holler even when hit with a golden hammer.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 01:57:06
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Yep. And some people just can't be happy unless they have something to be unhappy about.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 01:58:17
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While I could say how far back I used Sonar, I won't, but lets just say Fred Flintstone was my neighbor.
The only thing I will always dislike is the promised activation we were promised.
lease, I get it, that was only if this or because if that star lined up with this kosmos, etc, etc.
Bottom line is I will miss that. And that's my 2 cents. I do not care about free nowor later. I am in this to use Sonar...............period! Aren't you guys?
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 02:06:24
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bdickens
Everybody has some kind of mindset. Some have a judgemental mindset. Some have an entitlement mindset.
You got what you were promised. Quit crying. It is really none of your business what the new owners of Cakewalk's intellectual property do with it or who they decide to give it to.
You remind me of the kind of person who would rather sit around complaining about how unfair it is that rich people are so rich than work hard, save your money and make smart decisions so you can get there yourself.
So you are opting for a judgmental mindset then? 
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 02:11:23
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Bottom line is I will miss that. And that's my 2 cents. I do not care about free nowor later. I am in this to use Sonar...............period! Aren't you guys?
I think it could be a genius move to restore Cakewalk back to the top three DAWs. I'm guessing that add-ons will be at cost, and if they have a huge user base, they can make it affordable and profitable. Paying for add-ons should mean that they are never half baked, and if they are, they get popped bake in the hot oven PDQ, smethhing I feel has been an issue.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 02:29:00
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What in the hell is going on so I have spent money from as far back as cakewalk, to 8.5 all the way up to a lifetime member and Bandlab just gives it away for free????? I was told the free version is the latest version of Splat minus 3rd party plugins WTF again I say! That has to the ultimate middle finger to loyal members of this DAW!
I've used Sonar for far longer than you have, and have a different perspective. Now my friends and students can collaborate with me (and each other) without a financial decision or discussion. This is amazing news for those of us that are actually loyal, and not a fair weather fan that only liked it when you had to pay for it. The only problems I see are things like lack of off-line authorization and why are people seeing "demo" mode for free software. Hopefully a few things that will get worked out in the future. I'd also like to see some information regarding the data transmitted and how the software updates and any "auto" communication back to the mothership. As someone that needs to use a DAW in a legitimate business environment, software that does such things is a big security problem.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 02:38:53
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bdickens
Everybody has some kind of mindset. Some have a judgemental mindset. Some have an entitlement mindset.
You got what you were promised. Quit crying. It is really none of your business what the new owners of Cakewalk's intellectual property do with it or who they decide to give it to.
You remind me of the kind of person who would rather sit around complaining about how unfair it is that rich people are so rich than work hard, save your money and make smart decisions so you can get there yourself.
Crying not so much, entitled maybe but judgemental that is all you my friend. The crystal ball you are using to make assumptions is way off. Me wanting the product I have invested to mean something and not appear to be given away for free is my right. Never assume you know a person by what they post in a forum how do you know I am not rich and this is what I do for fun? Rich people are rich because they make WISE decisions with there money and even given money away or doing things for free is a calculated risk. Just food for thought :)
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 02:40:20
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bdickens
Yep. And some people just can't be happy unless they have something to be unhappy about.
You seem to know a lot about unhappy people hmmmm....:)
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 03:53:42
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BMOG
fresh101
This is another example of the "How come they?" mentality many Americans suffer from. The original poster probably would not have had a problem receiving the product for free as a loyal paying costumer....but as far as everyone else?..."How come they get it for free too?" is what's really being asked here.
I am American and proud of it, if that means I want my hard earned dollars to count for something then I am guilty as charged. I have paid for every version since cakewalk, which paid the developers that created the latest version of Splat. So yes I fee others should not get for free what my invested dollars have paid for, give them a baseline version but not the latest and greatest
Listen I have been on this side of having to pay when others don't soooo many times in my life and I use to react like you did here, but just be thankful you could do it. You got to use the technology way, way before others and technology becomes cheaper and cheaper over time. That is what you gained here. How do you think I felt when I had to pay for my children's college because I worked hard, prepared and saved my money...and so many others get a free ride only because they did not do what I did. I never take vacations and many years worked the equivalent of 3 jobs. And trust me my children's grades and ability put them at the very top...both are World class musicians you see and hear every day. Be thankful there will be more musicians to share Cakewalk with and that will make Cakewalk better. And as a side note what will make you better is if you help those just coming into the fold along. Be thankful you have been able to pay your own way. The other side of that sucks way worse.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 04:34:08
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Paid for Lifetime Updates and I think this move was brilliant. Cakewalk will become the most used DAW worldwide very soon. I can't see Avid or Steinberg matching this offer or business model.
The next step should be education. Teaching all the new users how to use Cakewalk. If really good tutorial videos make their way onto Youtube, Cakewalk will be adopted by the masses. Think about it if you were a band starting out, this is clearly the best option financially for you to start. Way more professional and powerful than GarageBand. This is going to be a game changer. In the next update if they can figure out a way to integrate Project 5 easily into Cakewalk it could become a Fruity Loops killer too.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 04:52:59
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One thing comes to mind about this,,, I used to pay $1,)))))) of dollars for a reverb unit, a sequencer, a tape deck , a, well you know the rest, It's become cheaper and cheaper and ya, now it's free. ,,, get over it. I won't bore you with the $1))))) of dollars it used to have to spend to record just 4 tracks.....and you can stop boring me with your issue you have about it being free...
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 05:35:34
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BMOG
What in the hell is going on so I have spent money from as far back as cakewalk, to 8.5 all the way up to a lifetime member and Bandlab just gives it away for free????? I was told the free version is the latest version of Splat minus 3rd party plugins WTF again I say! That has to the ultimate middle finger to loyal members of this DAW!
Not a middle finger at all since it is another company doing this. Bandlab has nothing to do with cakewak loyalty. any loyalty was to cakewalk . It is up to Bandlab to earn loyalty basdd on own merits
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 05:52:27
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/05 10:34:00
So let's see, a few hours ago your very expensive DAW was totally obsolete with no support and no future. Now the basic version of your DAW is free, suddenly has about 40 developers working on it and it suddenly has a few million new users, and you are complaining? What about the value you got out of it while it was a paid-DAW? The court would argue there was fair exchange. But more importantly, the DAW seems to have an actual chance of survival now. And don't worry, you'll get plenty of chances to pay for stuff in the future - don't kidd yourself ;O)
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 06:35:37
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LJB
suddenly has about 40 developers working on it
Where did you get that idea from?
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 06:37:47
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Well, there's about 10 times more staff in the Bandlab pic. So maybe it now has FIVE developers working on it and the rest is marketing - that's about 10 times more than a month ago ;O) Not really the point though.
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Re: WTF Free?????
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/05 10:33:33
I go way back to Cakewalk 4, and updated through to 2017. I agree with msmcleod - Cakewalk was dead, now it isn't - so I'm happy. If Mengs marketing model drives new customers in, and keeps it alive, i'm very happy.
And don't forget Computer Music magazine was giving away Sonar Home Studio for free last October. Not a huge difference to Plat without the add-ons.
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Re: WTF Free?????
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/05 10:32:58
Hell, the bible bashers have turned up now! I've been on the upgrade path too and paying my way. Last time I did that was when I bought the lifetime deal. I got 11 months out of that before Cakewalk went down.
Looking on the bright side, I don't have to pay for an update again so in a kind of mystical way I got my free lifetime deal after all. Meng doesn't seem to be a slouch in the Business world so I imagine there is a good reason he is making it free. Of course, if this multiplies the user base by a magnitude which it is likely to do, development will scale up too which means that it will improve at a faster rate than before. This all seems very advantageous.
In a nutshell, Bandlab has every right to do as they please with all the Cakewalk property that THEY PAID FOR. You don't get to dictate or complain about what they do with it. You do get to choose whether you use it or not - for free.
Splat, Win 10 64bit and all sorts of musical odds and sods collected over the years, but still missing a lot of my old analogue stuff I sold off years ago.
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Re: WTF Free?????
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☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2018/04/05 10:06:13
I paid for a lifetime subscription and in return got months and months of updates and new features for my money.
If Sonar remained as abandonware, I still would be using it and still getting my initial money's worth.
But now Bandlab is starting from scratch. They have picked up the ball dropped by Gibson and are now running with it. I suspect they will start adding even more updates and features (ones I haven't yet paid for), and I will happily continue to use what I already paid for, and have the choice to use new features that will be offered.
If you want to get caught up in semantics, then yes, you'll soon be paying for new features that "you should have" been getting for free with your old "Lifetime updates". But through no fault of their own, Bandlab has saved Sonar from oblivion, while at the same time attempting to honor the folks who paid for a lifetime subscription. Meaning that we won't get double charged for features we already paid for! In a perfect world Gibson/Cakewalk would have survived and we'd be getting lifetime updates for free until we croak. But sh*t happens and we're faced with a new reality. I'm satisfied with all the updates and features I already got with my "lifetime" subscription, and I'm greatly relieved that Cakewalk won't stop working now if MS releases a Windows update that might've screwed Sonar up.
I choose to see it as a good thing and I don't feel like I've been screwed or taken advantage of. But obviously others will try and make the WORST out of this situation. And quite honestly, this kind of petty bickering and open hostility makes it seem more like people fighting about politics than a simple change in ownership of DAW software.
Make music and let it go, you'll be much happier and live longer!
Lee Shapirowww.soundclick.com/leeshapiro Welcome BandLab and thank you for giving Cakewalk and Sonar a new lease on life.
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julianochrisway
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 08:45:32
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Not Platinum Full with all the plugins. As you know, all the plugins you bought will run perfectly in the current version so you will not need to spend any more money on it. In other words, your money was well invested. You will be very well equipped with prochannel modules and purchased plugins that have invested your hard earned money. Do not worry, you're still at an advantage ... Fortunately I was able to use my studio account after all. The result is that my Sonar 2018 is far superior to 2017. All the tools we pay in the studio are available. It is intact only much better!
Studio Gears: Interfaces: Roland, Allen & Heath and Other Native Daw: Cakewalk by BandlabMidi Controllers: Roland A88, Akai LP8, Arturia Keylab 61 Essential, M-audio Oxygen 61 V3 PC Setup: Core I7 6700 4.0, Corsair 8GB 2400mhz, 1TB Note Setup: Intel Core i7-3612QM CPU @ 2.10GH, Corsair 16GB (1600mhz)
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