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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 09:34:06
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Of course, if this multiplies the user base by a magnitude which it is likely to do, ...
This will be surely positive in any case! 35mm
... development will scale up too which means that it will improve at a faster rate than before. This all seems very advantageous.
I hope it will not scale up too much, because most of the time it leads to negative effects in software development according to my experiences. Marc
... many years before ...
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 10:08:59
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I paid for a lifetime subscription and in return got months and months of updates and new features for my money.
If Sonar remained as abandonware, I still would be using it and still getting my initial money's worth.
But now Bandlab is starting from scratch. They have picked up the ball dropped by Gibson and are now running with it. I suspect they will start adding even more updates and features (ones I haven't yet paid for), and I will happily continue to use what I already paid for, and have the choice to use new features that will be offered.
If you want to get caught up in semantics, then yes, you'll soon be paying for new features that "you should have" been getting for free with your old "Lifetime updates". But through no fault of their own, Bandlab has saved Sonar from oblivion, while at the same time attempting to honor the folks who paid for a lifetime subscription. Meaning that we won't get double charged for features we already paid for! In a perfect world Gibson/Cakewalk would have survived and we'd be getting lifetime updates for free until we croak. But sh*t happens and we're faced with a new reality. I'm satisfied with all the updates and features I already got with my "lifetime" subscription, and I'm greatly relieved that Cakewalk won't stop working now if MS releases a Windows update that might've screwed Sonar up.
I choose to see it as a good thing and I don't feel like I've been screwed or taken advantage of. But obviously others will try and make the WORST out of this situation. And quite honestly, this kind of petty bickering and open hostility makes it seem more like people fighting about politics than a simple change in ownership of DAW software.
Make music and let it go, you'll be much happier and live longer!
I think you have covered both the situation and my sentiments t the situation quite well there Leee.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 10:30:34
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And the bible bashers, like always, miss the point. Which is you got what you were promised. The vineyard owner offered you a fair deal. You accepted. Later, he offered the same deal to someone else. He accepted.
Some of you people remind me of the guy at work who cries and stamps his feet because "so-and-so got a raise and I didn't."
Did you ask for one?
"No."
Well then....
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 10:38:40
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Meanwhile, there's a homeless guy somewhere complaining that his free meal at the shelter isn't served on bone china with real silver.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 10:47:43
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bdickens
And the bible bashers, like always, miss the point.
'Bible Basher' I believe refers to you, as you posted the quote from the bible.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 10:54:15
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bdickens
And the bible bashers, like always, miss the point ...
You're doing a great job of showing why religion is supposed to be kept out of these discussions. Please give it a rest.
I'm off to see the Wibble, the wonderful Wibble of Wobble
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 11:29:54
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/05 12:53:55
The DAW has been given a lifeline by a new owner. Previously it was dead! Any frustrations about what was paid for in the past need to be taken up with Gibson. Bandlab are giving anyone that wants it, an option to continue using the DAW in a model they see as the best way forward. They have also been considerate enough to communicate with the existing user base and offer support and future development. Every user has the option to stick with the DAW they purchased from Gibson. Take it up with them if you feel you have been hard done by. While you wait.. enjoy the resurrection of Cakewalk. Download it and use it free. Look forward to whatever Bandlab does in the future to help us all create and enjoy music.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 11:32:58
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I too have the "Lifetime Subscription", and I don't have a problem with it being free for all.
Because it's free to anyone it may well become the most popular DAW... but even Avid now offer ProTools First for free.
Maybe this is the way the market is heading.
Perhaps it was all those 3rd Party Plugins that made it cost so much.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 11:35:04
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Paid for Lifetime Updates and I think this move was brilliant. Cakewalk will become the most used DAW worldwide very soon. I can't see Avid or Steinberg matching this offer or business model.
The next step should be education. Teaching all the new users how to use Cakewalk. If really good tutorial videos make their way onto Youtube, Cakewalk will be adopted by the masses. Think about it if you were a band starting out, this is clearly the best option financially for you to start. Way more professional and powerful than GarageBand. This is going to be a game changer. In the next update if they can figure out a way to integrate Project 5 easily into Cakewalk it could become a Fruity Loops killer too.
Disagree,they should grab Reaper,a much more stable program,lighter on resources and about 10 times more powerful. They could use it without limitation while saving up for a license and wouldn’t have unnecessary stress over the really poor audio engine in Sonar/Cakewalk I’ve been using Reaper since the old Sonar ceased and it’s a much much much more stable program,don’t need to deal with stupid crashes and can just make music.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 13:08:01
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fresh101
This is another example of the "How come they?" mentality many Americans suffer from. The original poster probably would not have had a problem receiving the product for free as a loyal paying costumer....but as far as everyone else?..."How come they get it for free too?" is what's really being asked here.
I am American and proud of it, if that means I want my hard earned dollars to count for something then I am guilty as charged. I have paid for every version since cakewalk, which paid the developers that created the latest version of Splat. So yes I fee others should not get for free what my invested dollars have paid for, give them a baseline version but not the latest and greatest
Listen I have been on this side of having to pay when others don't soooo many times in my life and I use to react like you did here, but just be thankful you could do it. You got to use the technology way, way before others and technology becomes cheaper and cheaper over time. That is what you gained here.
How do you think I felt when I had to pay for my children's college because I worked hard, prepared and saved my money...and so many others get a free ride only because they did not do what I did. I never take vacations and many years worked the equivalent of 3 jobs. And trust me my children's grades and ability put them at the very top...both are World class musicians you see and hear every day.
Be thankful there will be more musicians to share Cakewalk with and that will make Cakewalk better. And as a side note what will make you better is if you help those just coming into the fold along. Be thankful you have been able to pay your own way. The other side of that sucks way worse.
Great post 👍🏾
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 13:49:21
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how in the world did religion get into this?
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 14:16:34
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I really don`t see an issue, those who don`t have SPLAT originally will be missing out on a lot of stuff anyway. From what I`ve seen from BandLab so far us lifetimers wont be disappointed. Don`t forget its still early days, a lot of work and migrating still to be done. For now I`m just glad Cakewalk is in safe hands, I really love what BandLab is doing :-)
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 14:17:29
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how in the world did religion get into this? You do realize this is the internet  , if you give it long enough, maybe we will see race get into it.. Anyhoo, nothing is free. Just Wait. This is to get more users into the program and then there will be some sort of paid membership or something... To the OP, you and myself (from version 1 to Platinum) and thousands others all paid and used what we paid for. We all paid for this program, to be ware it is right now.
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bdickens
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 14:33:24
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Quoting from literature to illustrate a point is not bringing religion into anything.
I guarantee I could have paraphrased the story without attribution and few, if any, would have known where it came from. Hell, "Matthew" probably stole it himself.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 14:36:29
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/05 14:50:55
Well I think it's brilliant and am happy to see that the CW legacy isn't being flushed down the toilet after all. And if the money I put into it over the years - lots of it, I've bought a license for every version since Sonar 6, including the lifetime option, and very nearly every add-on as well - somehow leads in some strange roundabout way to someone else who otherwise couldn't afford proper tools but is super creative and talented and makes something great with it, hey, so much the better. Bravo Bandlab! Looking forward to where this leads next...
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 14:51:40
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/05 16:11:27
FWIW;
I have a couple of friends that couldn't "afford" Sonar. Now we have this great opportunity to finally collaborate on the same platform. I think this can only be a good thing. In a small indirect way our persistent investment as this DAW community over the years before October of last year up to yesterday through Bandlab's reinvestment have helped us to contribute to the creativity of Cakewalk users from yesterday forward. Money well spent in my opinion.
What if it is the only way?
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 15:10:01
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/05 16:11:51
I am reading this thread with with increasing astonishment. In stead of being happy that Sonar/Cakewalk lives on, people are moaning and complaining and "gnashing their teeth". I mean - Really?
I am an user of Sonar from the time I got it with my (already defunct) EMU 404 PCI card. Isoon "upgraded" to Home Studio 6 XL and finally 8 Pro. After that I went with all updates and upgrades (with exception of X2/3). I payed for all those updates and upgrades, until I "jumped ship" to Cubase last year.
I think it's wonderful that Sonar Plat is free now. I think this will attract a larger group of users than Sonar ever had in his history. That will certainly benefit all current users, because it will put Sonar "on the map" again. Chances are big that new plug-ins (and programs) from other developers therefore will be compatible with Sonar. That would certainly be not the case if Sonar was drifting in oblivion.
And top of that... It's a sound move. Just give away an good DAW, and charge for (upcoming and existing) expansions. Those people get Sonar Platinum for free, and I suspect the next move is to sell Z3TA2+, Rapture, Dimension Pro and other plugins (that most of us already have in our account), to earn money that way. It would not surprise me if Platinum Pro will stay free, and gets regular updates, while new plug-ins and maybe soft-synths will be developed.
And no - I am not "salty" in any way that Sonar Platinum is free now. Why should I?
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 15:46:46
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☄ Helpfulby wetdentist 2018/04/05 18:59:18
bitman
Some will holler even when hit with a golden hammer.
Are you saying if you laid your hand on the table and someone smashed it with a golden hammer, you wouldn't holler?
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 16:43:38
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/05 18:15:31
I don't see a problem.
Anyone who is angry that TDFKAS is now free can send Bandlab a check before downloading if it makes them happy. Better yet pick a good charity and send them the money.
Unless what you're upset about is that others are getting something for free that you paid for. In that case would you have waited until now to get the program if you knew it was going to be free? Or was it worth it to you to pay for it back when you bought it? You made a fair trade of money for use of the product at the time you bought it.
I don't know how you could be happier if they were charging for it, assuming their business model supports continued development.
What we will need is a seperate forum area for all the newbies with the Soundblaster questions and "I just wanna make beatz help me" stuff.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 18:16:30
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They're offering the same software we currently have.
Why install it?
Just wait until they make major fixes and improvements.
Most likely they will charge us for future updates anyways. If not, then...well...it'll still be free....
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 19:18:32
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There were a few changes to the software. Many of the installation issues so far have been in not being signed on to BandLab or having the wrong scan paths. Fixes and improvements are always ongoing...but it's your call whether or not to do it.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 19:38:28
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/08 15:30:57
bdickens
Quoting from literature to illustrate a point is not bringing religion into anything.
I guarantee I could have paraphrased the story without attribution and few, if any, would have known where it came from. Hell, "Matthew" probably stole it himself.
In fact, I published a condensed version on the coffee house that nobody who did not know it was from the Bible would have guessed that it was. It's just a story that happens to be very illustrative of the situation. Which is why I'm not the only person who mentioned it.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 19:45:10
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☄ Helpfulby doncolga 2018/04/05 19:49:31
Okay, I'll pitch in here. I am a professional recording engineer who has been with Cakewalk their entire thirty years of business. We use Cakewalk, but also use ProTools, Cubase and we use Audition to Master. We record everything from Jazz Bands and orchestras to Choirs and solo artists in a wide variety of genres.
1. There are plenty of features and developments left to add to and enhance Cakewalk. It's just a silly statement that any piece of software is ever basically finished with nothing left to add. At the same time any producer/engineer worth their salt could also produce pristine tracks with much less.
2. It's a fallacy that all professional work is done on Macs. We do work on both platforms and all of our work is outstanding.
3. It's ridiculous to give a flip and be angst-ridden that an orphaned piece of kit was resurrected but is now gratis. That mentality displays the poverty of your spirit. You should be thrilled with these developments and hope they bode for a robust future where your kit of choice continues to keep up both in OS compatibility and in features.
Electronic calculators that sell today for $6 or $8, or even for free as an app on smart phones used to have fewer features and sell for $75 - $100. By your lack of reasoning, all of us who purchased calculators in the seventies should suck our thumbs and throw hissy fits.
As someone who makes a great living with these products and a former Gibson lifetime member, once I'm certain the resurrection is not a temporary resuscitation I will be gratefully adding a substantial amount to the online tip jar at BandLab.com.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 19:49:42
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☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/04/05 21:09:27
BMOG your jealousy is outrageous. The fact that you are saying it openly really shows how ignorant you are. In fact, your mindset is an embarrassment. I don't expect a moderator to shut down this post. I would expect you to fall on your sword.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 20:32:36
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Kamikaze
bdickens
And the bible bashers, like always, miss the point.
'Bible Basher' I believe refers to you, as you posted the quote from the bible.
I think you mean Bible Thumper. That is the complete opposite of Basher. Just saying.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 20:36:33
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Please move past this. It does nothing to advance the discussion started by the OP.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 21:20:47
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J scook
Please move past this. It does nothing to advance the discussion started by the OP.
Just trying to clarify the point someone was trying to make which was misinterpreted. Things did go off the rails when people kinda missed the original point because the source. Maybe he should have gone with an Aesop fable or maybe Confucius? I'm moving on though.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 21:25:16
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slyman
They're offering the same software we currently have.
Why install it?
Just wait until they make major fixes and improvements.
Most likely they will charge us for future updates anyways. If not, then...well...it'll still be free....
Because updates and future plugins will be based on this version rather than the previous one.
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Re: WTF Free?????
2018/04/05 21:26:17
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fresh101
I'm moving on though.
Thanks.
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Re: WTF Free?????
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☄ Helpfulby rcklln 2018/04/05 22:23:57
Something similar happened around the time that Apple took over Logic. Up until that point I had spent thousands on the program itself plus I bought all the instruments one by one and paid a high price for all that. Even so I was happy with what I had. Then Apple took it over, removed it from the Windows environment, put the whole program out for $200 and included all the instruments free of charge at the same time! I was a bit annoyed at the time as well.
What can you do? Not much really apart from move on I guess. So it's not the first time something like this has happened.
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