;-)

Any bets on Friday? They have a history of Friday releases...

Keni

Keni


;-)

Any bets on Friday? They have a history of Friday releases...

Keni

 
I shall refer you back to my post on Thursday then

"We will have more information about SONAR X1c in late July"

I'm sure that they did have more information about SONAR X1C in late July.  

  

What a shame to see the credibility of great company such as Cakewalk fall to an all time low by not keeping users informed and by adopting Roland's model for customer service.

Myself, I assume that they are working on it and it is coming. I'm not sure what difference someone saying those things would actually make. I certainly don't need an apology.

There's an advert on site for a Senior/Principal Software Engineer. I hope it's an addition and not a replacement.

Mystic38


I can completely agree with you there.. and in fact your statement it doesnt contradict my primary comment that IMO its the change in the UI that was most needed from the development... clearly there were unwanted side effects..
 
there is no doubt that a stable, realtively bug free product is the goal for users (and assumedly manufacturers too)...unfortunately there is the irrational urge from (insert software company name here) for a new version to be introduced almost every year ..clearly to skim the upgrade fee... or to react to *new* versions by competitors and yet the products are too complex for this to rationally occur without two development teams.. not a good approach IMO
 
Assuming a stable (mostly bug free) product then personally a 24-36mo cycle and a higher upgrade fee would be a happier trade for me
 
cheers
 
 

 
Keni

Mystic38


Well...

IMO, the use of a DAW by musicians both good, alleged or pretend musicians has increased but has also evolved in terms of market attributes....such that i would hazard a guess that 4 years ago there were very very few folks using a laptop..and now?.. plenty.

There is a applicable saying that states"if where you are going wont get you there, then stop and change direction."

gutting 8.5.3 and starting from scratch with the UI is exactly the bold move that Sonar needed..

Is it perfect?.. no..
Is it a BETTER foundation for ongoing product development than 8.5.3.. you betcha


and lastly...does anyone HAVE to upgrade?..no

Seems like everyone should be happy..

the release of x1 did not make the older program cease to function for any 8.5.3 "power user" ...
but the release of x1 DID make the program more accessible and understandable for new customers...

While this thinking is "sound"... It needs to adjust to the thought that some of us are forced to upgrade for FIXES.... I don't need new features near as much as I need things fixed/adjusted and staying with 8.5.3 will never get fixed.... That's the rub!

Keni

Interesting thought, but it won't happen.... Cakewalk has always had a need to release once a year for income if nothing else. The business model requires the release to generate the needed income for the year. Without it, there wouldn't be enough cash flow to support those involved....

They release upgrades thru the year as well... for free... and the updates aren't 'just' fixes.... they also include new features and ideas.... so the yearly release makes this possible.

Keni

Maybe one reason we're not hearing from them is that they are ALL too busy working on it!

;-)

Keni

or perhaps (I hope) they are making sure x64rewire works as they perhaps had not anticipated the props releasing it in September?

or perhaps (I hope) they have finally fixed the V-Vocal  in large RAM use projects and are just making sure that it works.....

I live in hope but am preparing myself for the disappointment of discovering that only one or neither of the above have been sorted......

Brandon: afterwards, when you'll score up each column of the things cakewalk did right and the things cakewalk did wrong and claim that all in all cakewalk is working efficinyly and reliably towards its customers remember this issue(and it's not a 1st of it's kind).

All you guys had to do is on the 31/7 say:"Sorry guys, it'll will take a lil' longer to realease this info"
The majority of the customers base would understand and apperciate the direct approach and the fact that you guys probebly work hard to get x1c out.

So what's up with ignoring the subject and this thread specificly? cakewalk has become the infantile ostrich the sticks its head in the ground and thinks it makes it dissapear.
well guess what? it doesn't.

(and this is all coming from someone who's strongly against the whole flaming mentality and the -IM-ANGRY-CAKEWALK-BUGA-BUGA-BRING-BACK-8.5.3 approach)

Interesting thought, but it won't happen.... Cakewalk has always had a need to release once a year for income if nothing else. The business model requires the release to generate the needed income for the year. Without it, there wouldn't be enough cash flow to support those involved.... They release upgrades thru the year as well... for free... and the updates aren't 'just' fixes.... they also include new features and ideas.... so the yearly release makes this possible. Keni

 
I'm thinking that maybe X1 could be the release that would break that trend. 

If they have enough new users from other platforms buying product at full price then they wouldn't need their established customers to get them over by purchasing a yearly upgrade.   This is why they are trying to attract new users at ,what some would suggest, the expense of the user base.  (IOW, the complete overhaul of the GUI)  If you could attract new sales, I'm thinking you could switch to a two year cycle with free updates that would hit you at a higher upgrade cost.  Basically, for establish users it would be a wash.
 
But this is just a theory of mine.
 
 
But....
 
My beef is with the company saying they are going to do something in a given time frame and then failing to deliver on time.  In this case, it is just information of what X1c will contain.  They said that more information would be posted in late July.  Where's the info?  How hard is information to provide?
 
My only explanation is that a major bullet point item is seriously busted and they can't decide whether to include it or not. 
 

All those extra display monitors mess with your sound... it's not a good solution to inefficient GUI design.

If I was drawing pretty pictures or tracking the stock market it would be one thing... I'd use one of my multi monitor systems.

I'm not putting up a bunch of flat screen reflection baffles right between my sound monitors so that they can cause a bunch of nulls and make me wanna go out and buy the ARC™ for $600 just to fix the mess caused by a wall of display monitors.

That's a path I'm not going down.

:-)


all the best,
mike

Well, the info is now posted. So I assume we can move smoothly from complaining that it's not here to complaining that it's not good enough.

We apologize for the delay. We wanted to give everyone the latest and greatest and that took a few more days. We have now posted the info  for SONAR X1c. I am locking this thread as the topic is now closed.