Clicking on the link of the op the song of reference may
be unclear (it was to me anyway). So if we may be listening
to different songs we may be commenting as such.

   Jeff
        For you to say "we can't see the woods for the trees"
is a bit disrespectful don't you think? We are making it
complicated? You know?  Maybe some of these guys are
very well trained in music and speak in tech terms in
details.

  It isn't cool to speak about how great you are and what
you know. That even can invalidate any good points you
make. I've read many of your remarks on the tech forum
and you have some very good info but it turns me off
when you start "tooting your own horn" 

Hey Jimmyman no disrespect intended. I was only saying that sometimes we hear things and it appears to more complicated than it actually is.  And when you listen again you can hear the simplicity of the situation. It is only a simple easy listening guitar piece not a complex odd time composition. Nothing wrong with touting your own horn either. I have got quite a few gigs that way. Its hard enough making money from this industry so its not bad if you can do it. I will put it like this. I really believe in myself. Whats is wrong with that.

I am only getting the 30 second grab so I may not be hearing it the way you guys are. I am only too happy to admit I am wrong if I could maybe hear it for longer and work it out. A good thing to do is rip it into a file and into Sonar and then you can go back and forth easily replaying many times etc.

Actually to Marcos you could import the whole track and use it a reference in your rebuild if you wanted. Not sure how you would get the Sonar metronome to lock in unless you did a audio snap etc.

The drummer is playing a clave sound (side stick) on every crotchet. That is where I am getting the 146 from. He is playing eighths on the hats and the side stick on crotchets, thats how I am hearing the tempo anyway.

This thread is not going to go the way other threads have as I have said there are some nice and sensible people here and it is such a change compared to other threads. I think things have got a bit out of control on the producer thread lately for sure.

Jimmyman any news on your noise problem? Have you found the culprit yet.

 
  Jeff.  I guess you mean the mic noise in my post? No
I havent found the cause but they are working now.
I just wish I knew what the cause was and no one has
any answers.

Now I am a bit confused so many apologies if I have been listening to the wrong track! When I go to that link all I can get is the 30 sec grab on the right. Maybe if someone can download the whole thing and post it somewhere else it might help to confirm we on the same page.

Jimmyman I have read all of that post again re the noise and I must admit it sounds weird. (I have a background in electronics engineering by the way, among all the other incredible things I can do. LOL!!, just joking) Especially as it has now stopped. It is intermittent which makes it even harder. I assume you have removed the leads as the trouble as well.

Maybe the intermittent problem is in the interface and not related to phantom power at all. I have got a noisy channel in one of my Yamaha digital mixer channels and it comes and goes. Just not game to open the thing up.

I just want to say it is always a pleasure talking to you guys and I think the forum is great. I have learned heaps. I just hope that Cake does not shut it down considering the behaviour on other threads. I know Sonar has got some issues but I have never found it has ever stopped me from doing anything or completing anything. In fact I think it is a marvelous program and I am getting the best production sound yet since changing over to it. Some are saying it is not professional but I definately do not agree with that.

Jimmyman keep an eye on your noise issue and if it comes back let us know and we will see if we can isolate the problem. I am only too happy to help. I enjoy tracking down faults. I know how frustrating something like that can be.

Jeff Evans,

No need to pull ranks man.  We're just discussing the time signature of this song as colleages.  No one here was insulting you because you're a drummer.  But I do agree with Brundlefly that this song is not in 4/4, appart from the initial measure with the solo guitar line.  Listen to the Bass and you'll see he is accenting those beats I mentioned earlier (3/4 + 3/4 + 2/4).  You can even think of it as 3/4 + 5/4 too (with the 5/4 part being accented as 3/4 + 2/4).  The percussion in this song is very vague because they're just playing a constant rhythm of 8th notes with accents on every beat.  The guitars throw things a little off with their syncopated rhythm, implying a 16/8 time signature that's accented the way Brundlefly explained. 

Think of this song as of having many rhythmic layers coming from different instruments.  Still, I wouldn't call it a Polyrhythmic though.


Take care!
 
 
 
 

Definitely 4/4, but with a non-4/4 pattern of emphasis woven through, creating the illusion of an odd time signature.

most of its in 7/8 kinda how money by pink floyd was

marcos69


This is the count I get:

123/123/123/123/1234

Not sure what to call it.

How about 16/8 like Brundlefly said?  Or you could think of it as 3/4 + 5/4 (divided as 3/4 + 2/4).  The first measure of the song is 4/4 and then it changes to the other time signatures.  There's a measure of 15/8 (or 3/4 + 3/4 + 3/8 to keep it consistent) at some points of the song.  But that pretty much sums it up.

I'll buy it.  I've got the mp3 in the project for reference and I've almost got it setup.  I'll hopefully get recording in a day or so.

The time signature is dictated by the underlying beat count, irrespective of any syncopation that occurs.

It's 145.20 in 4/4.

I believe the into is throwing you guys off. Ending riff ends on beat 3.

One way you can "get the groove" (to confirm me) Line up the first note on AND of 3 and don't start counting until measure 5. You will be in 4/4 and groovin' until the the ending lick.
Mark, you'll hear that rythm guitar part on the left and get it's groove and then it's cake.

totally count it out, the guitar rythm doesnt matter. 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8.  you cant count to 8 without it changing to the start of the progression until the last chord. only to 7. so it cant be 4/4

Jimmy I recorded straigt into Sonar from the site. 145.20 and then do as I stated in previous. Let them get the intro and start counting on the 5th measure. Works for me. I get in the pocket and then all their pushes and 1/8 pauses fall right in place. Just make sure you line the first note on the "and" of beat 3 in the first measure.

 
    Very impressive Mark.
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 oops! I was trying to post in the songs forum and say you did
a good job on the tune.