What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic?

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2009/05/13 09:46:24 (permalink)

What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic?


This is a newbie question - sorry. but I'm just not sure what to set my AT4033 at. There's a LOW CUT and a PAD selection on the mic. Each have two choices. The LOW PAD has a straight line for one choice and a straight line that dips down as the second choice. The PAD has a -10db and 0db?

I'm just recording voice narration - what's the best settings for these?


Any help is much appreciated!!!
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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/13 10:01:05 (permalink)
    The low cut switch filters out the low end that the mic sends to the preamp. It helps remove rumble, etc. from vocal takes if necessary and generally cleans up the low end if the instrument you are recording doesn't extend into the low frequencies (like a voice). Think of it as an EQ. The straight line is flat - the bent line means the filter is engaged. You'll have to read the specs to see exactly what frequency the filter starts working at - remember, too, it isn't a on/off situation, but the filter will slope. So, if the filter works at 60 Hz, it effects the frequencies below that point gradually - it might squeeze out off the noise below 30 Hz and less than half at 50.

    The PAD - well, pads the the output of the mic down. Engaging it lowers the volume sent out of the mic. You don't want it engaged for most singers, usually. However, if you are putting your mic on a guitar cab or next to a kick drum, you engage the pad to keep the loud sounds from overdriving your chain - mic, preamp, convertors. Think of it as a volume lowering switch.

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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/13 11:39:38 (permalink)
    It's useful too emphasize that the preamp being spoken of is often times within the microphone. The Mic Preamp down the line also sees the effect but the real benefit is that the microphones on board pre amp (a tiny little thing) doesn't get overloaded (use the pad) or swamped with bass (use the low cut).

    The better designs provide the switches within the on board preamp so as to allow the preamp to work on only what you want to hear.

    for example:




    post edited by mike_mccue - 2009/05/13 11:47:41


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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/13 14:27:33 (permalink)
    That reply is so Mike. A noob asks a simple question, so of course you supply a schematic diagram!

    I love it. Had no idea a mic would have so many transistors; I've never taken a mic apart and always imagined a very simple circuit in there.


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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/13 16:12:37 (permalink)
    I'm so glad you posted that! I would not have guessed that resistor #3 would be 390K Ohms!

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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/13 16:37:37 (permalink)
    yeah, but that's the schematic for the C414 - the OP has an AT4033!!!

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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/13 19:42:52 (permalink)
    Hmm, I tried to find a 4033 schematic online and came up with nothing. I did learn that they are electret condensers, though, and that was a surprise.


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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/13 19:59:36 (permalink)
    Ah, my first mic was an electret condenser, curtesy of SOny. It was a long time ago (c. 1978)- I can't remember what it sounded like. My old tascam 4 track reel to reel recordings aren't, well that good. I lost the mic, but found the little-rubber like case.

    Yea, one of the AT mics, as I recall, are an electret.

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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/13 20:06:45 (permalink)
    Yup, that's what I think of when I hear "electret condenser": the five-dollar microphone that came with my first tape recorder (although that's completely unfair). I suppose that's why AT does not call it an electret condenser, but rather something like "permanently polarized condenser". Whatever, it doesn't change the fact that it's a pretty good mic.


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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/14 12:41:56 (permalink)
    I love it. Had no idea a mic would have so many transistors; I've never taken a mic apart and always imagined a very simple circuit in there.


    I had no idea a mic would have that many transistors either, and I HAVE taken all my mics apart to examine them.


    A low cut is sometimes a good idea for voice recording, though on some mics a low cut filter may actually cut the fundamental on a lower male voice (RE-27).

    Since a pad lowers the output, it effectively lowers the sensitivity of the microphones circuitry and can raise the overall dB level handling. This can be useful on drums, guitar cabs, close piano, and brass instruments. Without it the mic itself can clip and distort.
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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/17 14:08:51 (permalink)
    Hi, another newbie im afraid but if i was going to be miking a 120w guitar amp at around quarter-volume, would this damage the mic? its a Rode NT1-a (and therefore doesnt have a pad switch)

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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/17 14:21:04 (permalink)
    Hi, another newbie im afraid but if i was going to be miking a 120w guitar amp at around quarter-volume, would this damage the mic? its a Rode NT1-a (and therefore doesnt have a pad switch)


    I very seriously doubt that could do any damage to the mic (unless you use a 7000watt amp at full volume). You may clip the output before the pre, but no you will not break anything.

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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/17 14:32:38 (permalink)
    Mics come with a Max SPL rating... you can get a cheap yet reasonably accurate SPL meter. You can use a SPL meter at the mic position to compare the source levels to the max SPL capabilities of the mic.

    Most mics CAN handle most speaker cabinets output levels... but it's a great idea to have some idea of how your requirements relate to your gear's ideal operating range.

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    RE: What is the "LOW CUT" and "PAD" used for on a mic? 2009/05/17 14:41:36 (permalink)
    Most mics can handle the physical abuse from a high db guitar cab..... the problem comes from the signal generated by the mic element.... once the signal reaches a certain level (the maximum db level posted for the mic), it can't go any higher.... but it tries to...resulting in distortion...so the pad switch reduces that level..allowing you to have a clean signal at the louder volume level.

    The low cut switch will roll off the low frequency response, this allows the proximity effect to be reduced a bit so a singer can sing close up without the boominess of the proximity effect.

    High volume can and will damage a ribbon mic. The ribbon element is an extremely thin and fragile ribbon of film that will be destroyed by the high pressure wave from a loud amp, also blowing air can also damage them...always use a pop filter and windscreen, and dropping them will almost always destroy the mic. Ribbons are fragile and mostly used in studios where the conditions of use are tightly controlled.

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