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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/05/31 12:50:14 (permalink)
Hi, Randy. Thanks. Now that I know it's out there I'll look around and see if I can find the binding. I might even have it buried somewhere in my notes. In the Dock I usually keep the Console, one or two instances of the PRV (drums and sometimes MIDI bass) and an instance (or two) of TH2 so I can adjust my current guitar tone and access the tuner (although I prefer the tuner in GR5 but if I'm not using it in a project I'm not going to add it). Also if I'm using a plugin that I intend to tweak I'll toss it in there but I'm mostly using the Prochannel stuff these days and really need to start using the FX Chain Module function for non PC effects.
 
As far as the double screen thing it's mostly a deskspace/mindspace ergonomics issue for me. I barely have enough room on my desk as it is so an extra monitor would screw that up but also mess with where I have my ref monitors/speakers. I also don't like to be twisting around all the time because even small movements can screw up my back (I'm kind of a cripple) so just being stationary and looking straight ahead works well for me. What WOULD be cool is if I had a nice big monitor mounted on the wall behind/above the one on my desk. I would probably put my Console View on it and keep the one on the desk for the Track View for editing or set up screensets to switch back and forth depending on whether I'm mixing or editing (editing = TV/PRV on the desk monitor, mixing = CV on the desk monitor).
 
But really the fact I can just slap the D key and keep my gaze in one spot is brilliant. I also think if I had a dual setup I might get momentarily confuzzled as to where to look which would waste time and throw me off course but I'm sure I'd get used to it.
 
However if I were to go out live with a laptop or with a minimal set up and had been spoiled by a dual monitor rig I probably wouldn't be as efficient because my workflow/muscle memory/gaze would be different. Silly thing to worry about but live or offsite settings are stressful enough as it is so I could see it messing me up or making me look like a spazz. lol
 
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/05/31 12:54:15 (permalink)
Oh and I hopped on the Sonar train with X1. Before that I was on an archaic Steinberg release so many times I'd be sitting there at 2am drunk off my arse after "mixing" all day then want to change an effect setting and have to hunt through a dozen or so effects pages to get what I wanted (or change the wrong damned thing and wonder why it wasn't doing anything or even WORSE imagining it WAS doing something when really I was destroying another track that was currently muted...)
 
Yeah... I really like the dock after that kind of crap. Heh.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/05/31 14:14:08 (permalink)
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If you output the Draw Tool automation to another MIDI track (through a virtual MIDI cable), it will be converted to a MIDI CC message.  From there, it's a snap to create a library of modulation effects (virtual LFOs).  Extensible 'Groove Clips' of vibratos, tremolo, pans, sweeps, S&H ... varying rates, depths, fade-ins/outs, combinations of waveforms.  A drag 'n' drop collection of control clips that works across any synth, effect, or most track control.

B Rock,
 
I'm dying to do this, but I need some hand holding to figure it out. Can you give more explicit instructions? I don't know how to route the midi from the first track out to the second.

Thanks!

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I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/05/31 14:37:12 (permalink)
The key is a virtual cable such as LoopBe or loopMIDI, set the first track output to the virtual cable and the input of the second track to the virtual cable.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/05/31 17:06:47 (permalink)
I could just use a real midi cable and come out of the first track and back into the second then without having to buy anything. Right?

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/05/31 17:25:46 (permalink)
There is nothing to buy, both the links I provided are free. I suppose you could use a real MIDI cable but I have never tried because the virtual cables are so handy.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/05/31 19:10:06 (permalink)
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About the Sonitus multiband:  Using other tools, I have never been about to find the right frequency to cut pops or to reduce sibilance.  I know in theory, but can't ever seem to get good results.  Suggestions?



I've had to set de-essers from as low as 2.5kHz to as high as 12kHz. The "right" frequency varies all over the place.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/05/31 19:26:30 (permalink)
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About the Sonitus multiband:  Using other tools, I have never been about to find the right frequency to cut pops or to reduce sibilance.  I know in theory, but can't ever seem to get good results.  Suggestions?



Konradh,
 
A number of Dessers will allow you to listen to the sibilance they are targeting to remove. I believe the Cakewalk VX64 Vocal Strip does this as well. It has a 'Listen' Switch. When you toggle it, you get only the sibilance you will remove when you turn 'Listen' off.
 
So, turn Listen on, then sweep the frequency and depth until you hear some of the S sounds you want to trim. Then flip Listen off.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 01:29:02 (permalink)
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About the Sonitus multiband:  Using other tools, I have never been about to find the right frequency to cut pops or to reduce sibilance.  I know in theory, but can't ever seem to get good results.  Suggestions?
 



Apply a large boost to a narrow band of frequencies and sweep with that when hunting them down. Our ears find it easier to hear boosted material rather than a cut. Once you've got the frequency then you can apply the cut. HTH
 
@Beepster & Rbowser the shortcut for cycling multidock tabs is ctrl+shift+arrow left/right keys.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 02:20:38 (permalink)
Hey Beepster
Ctrl + Shft + < > (left or right arrow) for moving through different items in Multidock pg. 1148 in Sonar Reference Guide.

When an item isn't listed in the Keyboard shortcuts tables in the manual it's always worth having a look where the view or tool is described, in this case reading the section on Multidock uncovers it.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 05:53:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/06/01 06:58:54
 
I absolutely lurve the 'Play' button on the transport controls...
 
It lets you listen to your project.
 
Man I was fumbling around in the dark for three years until I discovered that.
 
If anyone else is struggling to hear what they've recorded and programmed, you can find this awesome button here:


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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 06:45:37 (permalink)
I love the track templates. They make it so much easier to get to creating music without having to set up all your tracks, go to synths, and plugins. It let's you "strike while the iron's hot", and not lose your inspiration.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 11:46:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Del 2014/06/02 09:47:19
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I love the track templates. They make it so much easier to get to creating music without having to set up all your tracks, go to synths, and plugins. It let's you "strike while the iron's hot", and not lose your inspiration.



And I think what makes them "underrated" is that they can do so much more than just bring in a track...I have a "multiband construction kit" track template that brings in buses, effects, crossovers, the whole shot with a couple clicks. So much easier than setting up from scratch each time.
 
A track template can even be an entire mixer setup! So you can choose the various ProChannel modules to create something like a faux SSL console.
 
An underrated keyboard shortcut is select clip > Shift+Space Bar to play only that clip. For quick auditions you don't have to mess around solo or mute.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 12:14:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/06/01 13:34:53
Steve,
 
another great hint is the Red button to the right of play.  Red stands for "record" so you don't have to play all your parts live each time you want to hear your song.  Saves a lot of time.
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 12:18:25 (permalink)
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An underrated keyboard shortcut is select clip > Shift+Space Bar to play only that clip. For quick auditions you don't have to mess around solo or mute.


You just blew my mind. I didn't know you could do that! I need to get the X3 Power book or something. I'm sure there are TONS of things I'm missing out on.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 14:26:09 (permalink)
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Steve,
 
another great hint is the Red button to the right of play.  Red stands for "record" so you don't have to play all your parts live each time you want to hear your song.  Saves a lot of time.
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 14:53:29 (permalink)
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Scrub Tool would be a great feature if it worked per take lane.


Would be an even greater one if it worked on MIDI as well. It doesn't and there is no logical reason for that.
 
 
An underrated feature is the ability to control Sonar with the keys on your MIDI keyboard. You have to hold down a button (that sends out a MIDI CC telling Sonar to interpret the incoming MIDI notes as Shortcuts instead), then every key of your MIDI Keyboard can become a shortcut. Everything you can bind to your QWERTY keyboard from the "Customization > Keyboard Shortcuts" menu, can be bind to your MIDI Keyboard as well. This way you can manipulate Sonar from your MIDI Keyboard, paying no more attention to the monitor/QWERTY keyboard and focusing on playing music.
 
A few bindings that I made: Record, Playback, Go Previous/Next Measure, Start/Stop Audio Engine (for quick access when a synth is crashing the driver and blows my speakers), Reset All Meters. These are just a few, but he possibilities are many more.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 15:12:19 (permalink)
PopStarWannabe...Would be an even greater one if it worked on MIDI as well. It doesn't and there is no logical reason for that...



But you CAN scrub MIDI in the PRV - I'm not Sonaring today, so can't say specifically how they've changed it in X3, but the tool is still there.  Take a look.  Invaluable tool.
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 15:13:05 (permalink)
When I get tired of hearing my playing that "Stop" button saves the day !!
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 15:19:20 (permalink)
Using drum maps to control articulation switches in kontakt... works great!
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 15:29:34 (permalink)
I reviled Input Quantize when it was added.  OK.  I still do.
 
But it can be using as an ersatz data thinning process for modulation control, stepped pitch bends,etc.  Under Quantize Settings -> Change, uncheck the Only Quantize Notes box.  Type in a number of MIDI ticks in the Resolution, or some shorter fractional measure as a duration.
 
Note that any values within the span of that duration window are stacked up vertically, and the highest value in that timeframe takes precedence.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 16:27:37 (permalink)
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The ability to bounce arpreggiator to midi notes that can be edited. Arpreggiators are great but can be stiff and monotonous. Being able to instantly render out all that is heard from pressing one note or chord opens a lot of flexible ways to edit and add variety.


Automation on arp parameters can help (when they work).  But the 'hidden gem' feature here is the potential to customize your own arpeggiator sequences.  I'll shill my own freebies again here, but strictly as examples:
 
Alesion ARP Presets  Alesion Pattern Construction Kits
 
It should be easier in Sonar X to create your own / convert to .ptn files as the basis for arpeggiator customization (without having to resurrect Project5 as a translator).  Granted, there are a lot of shipping .ptn files in the Sonar package.  I just haven't found those to be the most useful for mining the deep potential.




 
These links don't seem to work
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 16:37:19 (permalink)
All the links on http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/20090612/Project5-Free-Stuff are broken. Most likely the result of recent site maintenance. In the past I have sent PMs to Ryan about other broken links I have found and he gets them fixed.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 16:51:55 (permalink)
Just popping back in to thank FBB and Mudgel for posting that keybinding. Saved me the effort of looking it up and it will certainly get used... constantly. :-)
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 17:47:28 (permalink)
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All the links on http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/20090612/Project5-Free-Stuff are broken. Most likely the result of recent site maintenance. In the past I have sent PMs to Ryan about other broken links I have found and he gets them fixed.

Is this it?
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/20090612/Project5-Free-Stuff
 
Edit:
Nope the links on that page are dead too. 

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 17:52:00 (permalink)
It is the page which refers to the broken Alesion ARP Presets  Alesion Pattern Construction Kits links among others.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 18:38:20 (permalink)
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Using drum maps to control articulation switches in kontakt... works great!



More stuff I never realized. I'm so glad I started this thread, if only for selfish reasons 

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 18:40:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2014/06/01 20:39:00
Here's another feature I think is underrated: MIDI FX. They're so useful for making musically helpful wholesale changes without having to edit on a per-note or per-clip basis (in particular the velocity one).
 
The quantize one is invaluable when songwriting. i can temporarily clean up a part while the songwriting inspiratino thing is happening, then go back later and do the "real" quantization that's more subtle, uses groove quantizing, etc.
 

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 19:00:00 (permalink)
An oldie but a goodie - The CAL script language is as powerful as it is underappreciated - at least for the functions that still work.  Over the years I've collected, created, and modified hundreds of CAL scripts that do all kinds of specialized functions.  Many of them save me hours and hours of work.  For example, I use HUMANIZE.CAL almost daily to help "de-quantize" MIDI sequences.
 
I just wish it had been upgraded and modernized along with Sonar to support all the current features.  Imagine the things we could do today with a powerful scripting language which would give us the ability to control (i.e. customize) all the newer Sonar features, such as automations lanes, ARA/Melodyne interaction, loop manipulations, comping functions, ACT programming, command macros, and a million other user-specific workflow enhancements. 
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/01 19:12:59 (permalink)
Here's a simple feature I really like, the volume control in the inspector window...so handy and it's right there for you....that's something I always wanted in Adobe's Audition but it was never there.....you had to hunt around to adjust the volume, and sometimes that would be a bad situation, if something was playing really loud. Having a volume control right there is great. 
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