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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 13:26:38 (permalink)
mudgelSonar's help file is still accessible by pressing F1 as in any Windows program...

...I believe the reference guide is released with the program...



Thanks for the post, Mudgel - F1 opens up my browser and the online manual.  I don't want to open Firefox while working in Sonar - it cuts off my ASIO driver.  What I would prefer is if the manual actually opened inside Sonar when you click Help - the way it's always been before X.  I don't understand why that was changed.
 
I purchased and installed X3 fairly recently, within the last 2 months - the reference guide did not come with it.  That's why I'm glad today, weeks and weeks after getting X3, to finally have an actual manual I can open and use whenever I want without being online.
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 13:34:01 (permalink)
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mudgelSonar's help file is still accessible by pressing F1 as in any Windows program...

...I believe the reference guide is released with the program...



Thanks for the post, Mudgel - F1 opens up my browser and the online manual.  I don't want to open Firefox while working in Sonar - it cuts off my ASIO driver.  What I would prefer is if the manual actually opened inside Sonar when you click Help - the way it's always been before X.  I don't understand why that was changed.
 
I purchased and installed X3 fairly recently, within the last 2 months - the reference guide did not come with it.  That's why I'm glad today, weeks and weeks after getting X3, to finally have an actual manual I can open and use whenever I want without being online.
 
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This can be changed in Preferences. I forget exactly where it is and don't have the DAW fired up but there is an option of Always Use Online Help or something that needs to be disabled. Then it will use the version you have on your computer.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 13:34:14 (permalink)
There's a preference for that. Go to Preferences > Advanced and check "always use offline help".

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 13:36:11 (permalink)
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 What I would prefer is if the manual actually opened inside Sonar when you click Help - the way it's always been before X.  I don't understand why that was changed.

The ability to use the help files at the Cakewalk site allows access to the most recent help files. The subject of having the help files available on the internet was a feature asked for repeatedly. It can be disabled in Preferences > File > Advanced "Always Use Offline Help". Maybe the preference settings are an underrated feature too.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 13:41:50 (permalink)
scook...It can be disabled in Preferences > File > Advanced "Always Use Offline Help"...



Cool!  Thanks - all three of you guys!-for the good tip.  It's cool to have the more up-to-date version online available, but it's far too clumsy for me to stop and have the browser open up like that while I'm working, just to do a quick info search.  I shall re-direct the program to my PDF - Good deal!
 
EDIT:  Done!  Aaaah, what a relief.
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 13:44:53 (permalink)
The setting does not open the PDF, it opens the Windows style help file like pre-x series versions did. The PDF can be added to the Utilities menu with a registry edit.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 13:50:32 (permalink)
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The setting does not open the PDF, it opens the Windows style help file like pre-x series versions did. The PDF can be added to the Utilities menu with a registry edit.


---oh - I misunderstood.  But, where is that Help file coming from then?
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 13:52:44 (permalink)
If it is similar to Producer in a 64bit X3 install "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Studio\SONAR.CHM". IOW just like it always has in older versions.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 13:58:26 (permalink)
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If it is similar to Producer in a 64bit X3 install "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Studio\SONAR.CHM". IOW just like it always has in older versions.


AH, of course - Thanks, Scook.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 14:26:34 (permalink)
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The setting does not open the PDF, it opens the Windows style help file like pre-x series versions did. The PDF can be added to the Utilities menu with a registry edit.


---oh - I misunderstood.  But, where is that Help file coming from then?
 
RB


RB I don't how you have been able to get so far with X3 without the manual.  Its 2094 pages. I am very happy you have it now. 

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 14:39:53 (permalink)
Great info on the F1 help feature, thanks !!!
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 15:18:12 (permalink)
There was another feature that I thought about the other day when I was logged off that I guess isn't really a Sonar feature per se but cab/mic/position options in TH2 have REALLY helped me understand mic placement for guitar cabs in real life better. It's one thing to watch videos or read articles about that kind of thing but without a proper room and a plethora of mics it's really hard to get a grasp of exactly what it all means. Being able to switch through commonly used mics and move them around in a virtual environment to see what happens is REALLY cool. GR5 has some of these options but nowhere near the flexibility of TH2. Man I love that program and I likely never would have tried it if Cake hadn't tossed it in with X2.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 18:51:54 (permalink)
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cab/mic/position options in TH2 have REALLY helped me understand mic placement for guitar cabs in real life better. It's one thing to watch videos or read articles about that kind of thing but without a proper room and a plethora of mics it's really hard to get a grasp of exactly what it all means. Being able to switch through commonly used mics and move them around in a virtual environment to see what happens is REALLY cool. GR5 has some of these options but nowhere near the flexibility of TH2. Man I love that program and I likely never would have tried it if Cake hadn't tossed it in with X2.



Agreed, I wrote an article for Guitar Player about miking cabs and suggested they start with the miking options in amp sims to familiarize themselves with the variables. Sort of like a flight simulator.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 20:27:55 (permalink)
I also use the fretboard view (as well as TAB) in the Staff view just to easily recall how I played the guitar part, and use "Regenerate TAB" very often. The fretboard/TAB and the Matrix view I mentioned earlier are both helpful for someone like me who can't read music. These underrated features are part of my reasons why I don't feel like using the other daw I own as often these days.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/02 20:35:03 (permalink)
One feature I am in the habit of using and tend to take for granted is the use of the numeric keypad for "Nudging".  I have 1 & 3 set for moving by one bar (left & right), 4 & 6 for 1 beat and 7 & 9 for ¼ beat.  And of course 8 & 2 are for up and down.  It's great for moving short clips around accurately, whereas when using a mouse there is a risk of misalignment if you are not careful.  Nudging up and down is an easy way of moving a clip from track to another.  And don't forget that nudging also works within PRV for moving individual notes or note selections.  For transposing midi, nudging is the quickest method.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/03 07:44:10 (permalink)
+1 to Nudging. I use it a lot, except in the PRV when there are multiple take lanes because it has a serious issue (often moves the selected note events to another lane in the track, and can also wipe non-selected note events!): 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Nudging-note-events-in-take-lanes-doesnt-work-properly-Confirmed-by-CW-m3023030.aspx
 
I'm really hoping it will be fixed soon.
 

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/16 10:41:10 (permalink)
Haven't read through the entire thread yet, but thought I would share one of my favorite tricks.  This uses MIDI Learn in conjunction with automation.
 
Often I find myself adding automation to my synth tracks but I am not sure which parameter will give me the best bang for buck.  So I draw my curve for a little used Controller and pick a section of the track using the instrument I am using for sound design.  I start the sequence and then pick a control that I want to automate.  I turn on MIDI Learn and Sonar will immediately assign the existing automated controller to the control.  I can then use Unlearn and Learn to listen to the effect the automation curve has on any control available on the interface of the instrument without reassigning the automation data to a different controller.  It's a real time saver.
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/17 10:37:44 (permalink)
Here's another one: If you set up a circuitous path in the Sonitus surround panner and turn Doppler up all the way, you can get some really bizarre, almost "scratching" DJ-type effects out of any audio source. Very twisted.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/18 13:09:55 (permalink)
Tab to transient on a drum track or start of a split drum clip. Paste in a drum sample and drop it down one track, line the phaze up. Instant drum augmentation.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/18 15:57:15 (permalink)
crossfade sustained vocal note with a slow envelope into a synth note, ala Pink Floyd Animals. If you do it right you can't tell where the vocal ends and the synth starts and it's super easy! Then you can totally mangle the note with controller knobs at the end (or just let the preset do it if the patch allows)
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/18 21:31:54 (permalink)
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About the Sonitus multiband:  Using other tools, I have never been about to find the right frequency to cut pops or to reduce sibilance.  I know in theory, but can't ever seem to get good results.  Suggestions?
 
*I have sometimes eliminated pops with very tedious and careful wave trimming, but that is not ideal and it is hard to get just right.


In the Sonitus multi-band plugin GUI, solo the band nearest to the problem frequency and drag the band borders around until you have it isolated - the key is to use your ears whilst doing this.  then un-solo that band and compress.
 
The problem with wave triming is that it's not just going to eliminate the troublesome frequency, it's going to mute everything else too.  Multi-band comping will give you a much better outcome.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/19 12:45:13 (permalink)
I hate this forum. I hate this thread.
 
All these ideas and suggestions have me drooling to do new stuff. Will have to change my shirt soon.
 
Got an original Korg Nano-keys. Not too good to play.
 
Been thinking of using it to map Sonar commands.
 
And because of all the encouragement here I am downloading the latest drivers, remembering it has a CC mode, with editor.
 
Bad, bad forum!  Go to my room!
 
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/21 21:13:26 (permalink)
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About the Sonitus multiband:  Using other tools, I have never been about to find the right frequency to cut pops or to reduce sibilance.  I know in theory, but can't ever seem to get good results.  Suggestions?
 
*I have sometimes eliminated pops with very tedious and careful wave trimming, but that is not ideal and it is hard to get just right.


In the Sonitus multi-band plugin GUI, solo the band nearest to the problem frequency and drag the band borders around until you have it isolated - the key is to use your ears whilst doing this.  then un-solo that band and compress.
 
The problem with wave triming is that it's not just going to eliminate the troublesome frequency, it's going to mute everything else too.  Multi-band comping will give you a much better outcome.


I generally ignore multibands as "too destructive"
I generally use a desser for how you use the multiband.
I realize it is the same principle and thanks for unhinging me.
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/21 22:08:52 (permalink)
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I generally ignore multibands as "too destructive"
 



Then allow me to warp your brain with another underrated technique 
 
Consider turning all the multiband's ratio controls to 1:1 so there's no compression. Then, think of the multiband compressor as a 5-band graphic EQ where you can determine the width of each band instead of having them fixed, and raise or lower the level of each band. It's a whole different type of EQ, and compression doesn't even have to enter into it so it's not destructive at all. However if one of those bands needs to be compressed, you have that too. 

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/22 01:04:40 (permalink)
Thanks for that Craig.
A five band adjustable graphic.
I never would of thought.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/22 01:10:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2014/06/22 13:39:02
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Thanks for that Craig.
A five band adjustable graphic.
I never would of thought.




Well then I'll describe one more favorite application - using the multiband compressor without compression as a crossover for multiband processing. With the Sonitus, you can solo individual bands. So for example, you can create four bands in one instance, copy it into four buses, and solo a different band in each bus. Now you can send a signal to those buses, and process each frequency band independently. I do this for multiband distortion (yummy); for EDM, I love to insert delays with different delay times in the different bands.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/22 22:51:10 (permalink)
Ok - I'll join in.  As you probably know if you've ever followed my posts or my site, I love the Drum Map feature.  I wish they would address it in an upgrade for a few new features and a better GUI, but it's still very useful, especially if you do a lot of drum stuff, and even more especially if you record midi drums, such as the Rold VDrums kit.  It makes manipulating drums SO much easier than just using the standard piano roll, adds flexibility in mixing and matching different sound libraries or physical midi devices, and allows you to keep all the midi for a drum track on one track (as opposed to using a split to tracks CAL), which makes it a lot easier to see the relative midi notes, which is reall important in a drum track.
 
Do yourselves a favor and try out the drum maps and if you need some guidance, go to my website (in signature) and watch the video in the Sonar section, here: http://blades85.com/music/sonar/88-specific-topics/79-sonar-drum-maps
 
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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/22 22:57:39 (permalink)
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Hope this adds something to the conversation! :)



Very much so. I don't use drum maps that much, but you've inspired me to check them out so I can take better advantage of Addictive Drums and Battery.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/22 23:30:51 (permalink)
Although (sorry to come across negative) please note there is a giant bug when using drum maps whereby the solo buttons stop working correctly in console view (most apparent when you push out the individual sounds from the plugin to seperate channels).
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...lo-m2926042.aspx

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Re: What's Your Favorite Underrated Sonar Feature or Technique? 2014/06/23 09:26:25 (permalink)
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...I love the Drum Map feature.  I wish they would address it in an upgrade for a few new features and a better GUI, but it's still very useful...



There are certainly some major things wrong with drums maps and they are long overdue for an upgrade.  I couldn't live without them though.

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