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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:02:05 (permalink)
I gave the demo a quick test drive (like 30 minutes) on my laptop (not at my studio at the moment.)  I had no trouble getting some AD midi sequences to play or adding a soft synth (SI -Electric Piano.)  I would recommend trying out the demo - it doesn't take long t download and install assuming a decent internet connection. 

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:09:01 (permalink)
In S1 are you able to go into MIDI and edit time and velocity?   And is it easy to do?
 
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:16:18 (permalink)
Yes and yes.

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:16:45 (permalink)
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In S1 are you able to go into MIDI and edit time and velocity?   And is it easy to do?
 
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I just downloaded the demo last night, created a midi track, you click the track and instantly the window pops up where you can edit midi just like sonar. You really have to download the demo and try it yourself.
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:16:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby skinnybones lampshade 2017/11/24 17:42:24
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Well, for me the absence of ARA is the major, probably eliminating, negative about Cubase. I use Melodyne Editor often, and it's frustrating when it doesn't integrate smoothly.
 
***So, since S1 does have full integration with Melodyne, I'm wondering if anybody would know about S1 and whether it offers these more trivial (yet still coveted by me) features:
 
1) Varispeed (the "chipmunk effect" originally achieved by recording with the tape running slower and then playing back at normal speed) ?
 
You can change the temp of a song but there is no dial if that is what you need.
 
2) Negative measure numbering (The ability to have measure one in the DAW line up with measure one in the written score; if there's material played in the measure before the downbeat of measure one, it's displayed as occurring in measure negative 1, and not as if it is played in measure (positive) 1.) ?
 
You can slip tracks to the right in the console and open areas to the left if that is what you need to do.
 
3) Custom track colour strips (I think the answer to this one is yes, but from quick peeks at Studio One this morning, the overall "look" of Studio One does seem a bit chaotic.) ?
 
Yes many colors are available (there are no "skin" options). 
 
4) Are the menus intuitive?
 
In my opinion yes, but you need to spend some time to answer that for yourself. 
 
I know this question is impossible to answer objectively, but maybe someone might have an opinion on the following scenario: Let's say a musician inexperienced with recording on any DAW has the chance to use either Sonar Platinum or Studio One Pro for an evening.
 
I would check out the many videos on Youtube as well as anything available from Groove3. There is a are a number of good training videos from Johnie Geib at HomeStudioTrainer.com.
 
Hope that helps! 
 
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He or she hopes to record (alone) a fairly simple short song including, say, acoustic guitar, bass, piano, a couple of voices and a Kontakt synth patch, maybe just add a little reverb, then mix and export the resulting song.
 
 
Which DAW would likely take him/her less time to work out how to achieve this, Sonar Platinum or Studio One Pro?*** 
 
I can use Sonar pretty well (ok, I admit it, not really ) but I'm wondering whether Studio One may be relatively more or less complicated (difficult to "get going" with) overall.
 
Thanks for wading through this!
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:18:36 (permalink)
From the PreSonus Forum
 
"I was commenting on S1's ability to remain competitive when it comes to the feature set, which is sorely lacking in many areas compared to the competition, particularly on the MIDI side of things. The slow development time combined with the radio silence is just frustrating. I feel like S1 just needs a really solid MIDI release, and to kill off a few longstanding FR's like Mixer Undo, Track Notes and an improved Tempo View and it would essentially be perfect. Narech is filling in some of the gaps on the MIDI side of things, while adding some cool functionality outside of the scripts, but this is all stuff I'd just like to see Presonus handle themselves (and do better frankly). 

I'm just getting impatient for a new release I guess. I'm still a fan of this DAW big time due to the workflow and stability, but just want to see the pace of development increase. I'm sure if I were using Cubase I'd be complaining about their poor VCA fader implementation or something else..."
 
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I've taken a quick look at their Reference Manual. It says enough of the right things, but nothing like actual hands on use for my particular way-of-working to know for sure.
 
Looking for videos for a specific use case, such as setting up a drum map and creating/editing MIDI clips. 

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:26:29 (permalink)
Why is everybody reading manuals and watching videos? Download the free demo and get your hands on it!!!!!!!
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:33:25 (permalink)
how easy is it, to setup Toontracks Superior Drummer to work properly in Studio One 3 pro?
 
that, and a maudio keyrig, are the only 'midi' items i need full control of.

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:43:43 (permalink)
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how easy is it, to setup Toontracks Superior Drummer to work properly in Studio One 3 pro?
 
that, and a maudio keyrig, are the only 'midi' items i need full control of.


It looks like there is a 5 minute video on YouTube showing how to set up Superior Drums.  I didn't watch it, but I am guessing if it can be explained in 5 minutes, its not that hard.

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:44:00 (permalink)
Thank you for that quick, informative response, hbarton. It's much appreciated.:)
 
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 17:59:23 (permalink)
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From the PreSonus Forum
 
"I was commenting on S1's ability to remain competitive when it comes to the feature set, which is sorely lacking in many areas compared to the competition, particularly on the MIDI side of things. The slow development time combined with the radio silence is just frustrating. I feel like S1 just needs a really solid MIDI release, and to kill off a few longstanding FR's like Mixer Undo, Track Notes and an improved Tempo View and it would essentially be perfect. Narech is filling in some of the gaps on the MIDI side of things, while adding some cool functionality outside of the scripts, but this is all stuff I'd just like to see Presonus handle themselves (and do better frankly). 

I'm just getting impatient for a new release I guess. I'm still a fan of this DAW big time due to the workflow and stability, but just want to see the pace of development increase. I'm sure if I were using Cubase I'd be complaining about their poor VCA fader implementation or something else..."
 
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I've taken a quick look at their Reference Manual. It says enough of the right things, but nothing like actual hands on use for my particular way-of-working to know for sure.
 
Looking for videos for a specific use case, such as setting up a drum map and creating/editing MIDI clips. 




If you want pace of development to increase, I'd suggest looking for another DAW.  S1 is great for what it is, and for 90% of folks it's good enough.  I amazed at the feature set it does have for as short as it's been around but PreSonus in general don't have big development staffs.  Heck they can't even support their interfaces properly with driver updates.  I had the AudioBox 1818VSL which became a paperweight if you had a USB 3.0 with an intel chipset. and people waited well over a year for a fix.
 
You have to understand that S1 was developed to ensure quality/usability with their interfaces and live mixing consoles.  Prior to Studio One they used to bundle with Cubase Elements, and they couldn't sell a 32 input mixing console and package it with a limited Cubase Elements.
 
There was nearly three years between v1 and v2 and four years between v2 and v3.  3.5 just came out and the cool thing is they don't charge for the .5 releases (which Cubase does), but the philosophy of Studio One is give people just enough of what they need, make it stable.  I wouldn't expect SO4 until 2019 or 2020.  That is just their development cycle.

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 18:30:19 (permalink)
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I find setting up MIDI and instruments in SO3 is a bit convoluted compared with Sonar. It can be done but there's a learning curve.


Huh? Are we working with the same software? I downloaded the studio one demo tonight, grabbed an instrument, dragged it into the workspace and instantly created a track - it is literally a hundred times easier and more intuitive than sonar.



I was thinking the same thing here.  You drag it to a track and you're done.  Nothing hard about it at all.  I've found Studio One way more intuitive, even after the time I had with Sonar.

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 18:38:11 (permalink)
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I've been talking to Rick Naqvi, VP of sales at PreSonus.  They will be announcing a special offer for Sonar users on Tuesday.
 


Isn't that the day after their $199 Black Friday deal expires? Why do these decisions always have to be made so difficult?




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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 18:46:21 (permalink)
Find/Replace (formerly known as Interpolate) is an extremely important MIDI function for me.  Is this available in Cubase (under some name)?

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 20:51:22 (permalink)
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In S1 are you able to go into MIDI and edit time and velocity?   And is it easy to do?
 
Greg


Yes - double click a midi track and the Event window will open a piano roll - velocity can be adjusted at the bottom and timing can changed there as well. Again I am not a power user of the MIDI stuff.
 
Hope that helps,
 
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 22:16:09 (permalink)
The random note moves were maddening. What killed me was (even today) I'll lay down a few bars of a MIDI instrument for a loop. When I convert the midi clip to a groove clip, it adds a few ticks and it's never in sync. It drives me crazy. I've already learned on S1 that you type "D" for each copy you want to add to the timeline.

I do miss the live preview where you can start in the middle of measure and SONAR picks up the complete audio from that point. But so far, that's the only thing I've felt like I'm missing.
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 22:36:50 (permalink)
I downloaded the demo of S1.  I have yet to crack the manual, but right now I'm doing everything in S1 midi-wise that was in SONAR (record/edit noes lengths/pitches/velocity).  Function wise they seem the same, but SONAR was more "elegant" if that says anything.

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 23:10:26 (permalink)
I'm not seeing how to do multiple tracks to line things up in S1.    like lining up a bass to a kick drum.  Only one track at a time.  Probably something easy I'm missing but there are 100 other easy things I'm currently not getting either.  Seems like Sonar, 3 years ago though.
 

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 23:49:10 (permalink)
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I find setting up MIDI and instruments in SO3 is a bit convoluted compared with Sonar. It can be done but there's a learning curve.


Huh? Are we working with the same software? I downloaded the studio one demo tonight, grabbed an instrument, dragged it into the workspace and instantly created a track - it is literally a hundred times easier and more intuitive than sonar.



I was thinking the same thing here.  You drag it to a track and you're done.  Nothing hard about it at all.  I've found Studio One way more intuitive, even after the time I had with Sonar.



Obviously the same software, but apparently doing different things.  Read the 1st page of this thread. Try "dragging" a real synth into a track, or setting it up to access device specific voices, etc. Not nearly as straight forward as Sonar.
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/24 23:55:00 (permalink)
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I'm not seeing how to do multiple tracks to line things up in S1.    like lining up a bass to a kick drum.  Only one track at a time.  Probably something easy I'm missing but there are 100 other easy things I'm currently not getting either.  Seems like Sonar, 3 years ago though.
 


Do you have your Snap set correctly? Look for Snap above the timeline - there is a number of options in the drop down.
 
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/25 03:00:55 (permalink)
What mixmkr is asking about is showing/editing multiple MIDI tracks in one PRV window. I haven't been able to figure that out, either, although I have to imagine it's possible.


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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/25 03:54:12 (permalink)
thx Bit... 
I imagine at the Presonus forums...there's going to be a flood of these "newbie" type questions, from people exhausted from reading the manual and just want a quick, clear answer!!
 
What would be cool over there is a "I'm from Sonar DAW" subgroup.  Fielding all these basic questions that are hidden deep in the bowels of the program.
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/25 04:19:39 (permalink)
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What mixmkr is asking about is showing/editing multiple MIDI tracks in one PRV window. I haven't been able to figure that out, either, although I have to imagine it's possible.




When dealing with MIDI clips in S1, F2 is your friend. If you double-click a clip, only that clip will open, and it will be the default "zoomed out" view. If you highlight the clip, and press F2, it will open your clip in the PRV and bring up the PRV settings that you previously set while working. To add a clip to that one open PRV, press shift and click on the clip in the Track View you want to add. Both will appear in the window. Once you have multiple clips open, you can use Track List in the PRV to show/unshow, or click on the pencil in the Track View to lock that clips MIDI notes. Also, click on the empty space in a clip in the PRV, and it will highlight that clip so you can see the boundaries.

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/25 04:26:06 (permalink)
aaahhh...HUGE thanks!  Have extra pecan pie on me!!
 

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/25 04:29:00 (permalink)
Thank you! Pecan is my favorite.

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/25 04:38:25 (permalink)
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thx Bit... 
I imagine at the Presonus forums...there's going to be a flood of these "newbie" type questions, from people exhausted from reading the manual and just want a quick, clear answer!!
 
What would be cool over there is a "I'm from Sonar DAW" subgroup.  Fielding all these basic questions that are hidden deep in the bowels of the program.
Hard to stop messing with S1 but gotta hop on the BLack Friday stuff too.   All these new toys...


Hi,
I will make the suggestion over on the Presonus forum. I'm not a Studio One tech but will try to help where I can answer a question when I can. Since it is the holiday many from Presonus probably took a well deserved long weekend (but there are still some holding the fort it seems). I did notice that one of the moderators (jpettit) set up a greeting page here:
https://forums.presonus.com/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=27570&p=153954#p153954
 
Probably will not answer all questions, but be a good subgroup starting point for a folks coming from Cake.
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/25 05:00:14 (permalink)
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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/25 05:05:56 (permalink)
I took my first look at the SO3 demo the other night, and chimed in early in this thread about the midi implementation being okay in parts, but clumsier than Sonar's. This evening I fired up SO3 again and took another crack at it, and found it much easier to deal with. I am an ITB guy completely, and I have very particular ways of working and setting up my tracks, and now that I've spent some time getting used to SO3's approach and overall vibe, I actually had a lot less difficulty getting going tonight than I did the other day. 
 
Couple of reasons for that, I think: a) simply the fact that there is a learning curve and you need to start working your way around it, and b) last night I was already cranky and unfocused by the time I got to SO3, after spending the better part of two hours trying to wrestle Samplitude into submission -- on top of being pretty down in the dumps over Cakewalk's demise. So I was not really in any mood to be receptive to a new DAW, or unravel a different style of implementing it.
 
I am a bit more impressed with SO3 tonight, and had much better results. Felt I should mention that. A lot of us are sort of casting about for answers after this week's sad news, and are trying to figure out how to best proceed in uncertain times, and I didn't want to cast an unfairly negative light on a potential solution. I am probably going to stick with Sonar until the end (whenever that comes), but after tonight, I wouldn't write SO3 off as a potential option, should the need arise down the road.

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Re: What's the Trouble With Studio One and MIDI? 2017/11/25 05:33:39 (permalink)
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thx Bit... 
I imagine at the Presonus forums...there's going to be a flood of these "newbie" type questions, from people exhausted from reading the manual and just want a quick, clear answer!!
 
What would be cool over there is a "I'm from Sonar DAW" subgroup.  Fielding all these basic questions that are hidden deep in the bowels of the program.
Hard to stop messing with S1 but gotta hop on the BLack Friday stuff too.   All these new toys...


Hi,
I will make the suggestion over on the Presonus forum. I'm not a Studio One tech but will try to help where I can answer a question when I can. Since it is the holiday many from Presonus probably took a well deserved long weekend (but there are still some holding the fort it seems). I did notice that one of the moderators (jpettit) set up a greeting page here:
https://forums.presonus.com/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=27570&p=153954#p153954
That was a nice welcome.   I'm anxious, to say the least.  Will probably wait to see if there is a cross over price, but I'm ready.  I hate to say goodbye to Sonar, but it's like getting something new and the old just doesn't seem as needed.  S1 was a fairly easy learning curve and that's been very beneficial.
 
Probably will not answer all questions, but be a good subgroup starting point for a folks coming from Cake.


That was a nice welcome letter.  I'm getting more and more excited about S1 each time I use it.  The learning curve isn't really all that hard, which is a blessing.  There's some good stuff in there that's new.  The future looks good.

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