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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 02:42:54 (permalink)
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 02:51:28 (permalink)
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I tried many bought Cubase Elements then tried out Mixcraft....I loved Mixcraft from the very first look at the demo. I had a few problems with the 64 bit version, uninstalled it and installed the 32 bit version and everything then worked great.



That's a bit troubling since 32-bit is on the way out. Some plug-ins are now releasing only 64-bit versions.
 
I remember from Mixcraft Pro Studio 7 that while you can install a 64-bit version, they recommend 32-bit during installation.
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 03:00:16 (permalink)
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I tried many bought Cubase Elements then tried out Mixcraft....I loved Mixcraft from the very first look at the demo. I had a few problems with the 64 bit version, uninstalled it and installed the 32 bit version and everything then worked great.



That's a bit troubling since 32-bit is on the way out. Some plug-ins are now releasing only 64-bit versions.
 
I remember from Mixcraft Pro Studio 7 that while you can install a 64-bit version, they recommend 32-bit during installation.




 I've only encountered IK not having 32 bit. When Live 8 came out they also recommended 32 bit. 
 
 I say the issue is not with Mixcraft if you can't run 64 bit.

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 03:03:19 (permalink)
I think that the only mainstream DAW choices left are Cubase, Logic, and Studio One.
 
There are many other good alternatives for secondary DAW use, or live use, but these three seem to all have the core feature sets that one would look for in a full featured DAW.  Well there was that Sonar thingy for a while, but...

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 03:25:43 (permalink)
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 I've only encountered IK not having 32 bit. When Live 8 came out they also recommended 32 bit. 
 
 I say the issue is not with Mixcraft if you can't run 64 bit.




I'm not looking to mix it up with you, as I really don't have a dog in this fight. But Live 8 came out in 2009, and we're talking about what's happening now and looking forward.
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 03:36:08 (permalink)
Well I am running an older computer with i3 processor which is not the best available now days, so it may be a problem with my computer. 
 
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 04:23:06 (permalink)
Here's a little loop I made in Mixcraft from their library in about 15 minutes.....
 
 
https://soundcloud.com/djwayne2000/loop-jam
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 06:35:35 (permalink)
wow...I just tried importing some loop files from Audition's Loopology program into Mixcraft...it worked !!! Because I have the Loopology program, I'll be able to import and work with 1000's of royalty free loops from that program. This is huge !!!!!!!!!
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 07:21:24 (permalink)
I was also able to import loops and one hit samples from Sonar X2 program....awesome !!!
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 07:45:42 (permalink)
I'm also sticking with SPlat for as long it continues to function.
I've also downloaded the trial versions of all of the DAWs mentioned in this thread.
I uninstalled Digital Performer after a day of trying to read the tiny font size on it's interface.
I gave up on the others as well.  The only one that I am continuing to try out is Studio One. (I even completed a whole song with it)  It's got the easiest learning curve, and while I think it's GUI is crap compared to Sonar Platinum, it does everything I need it to do.  So yeah, Studio One is my first choice if and when Sonar becomes unusable.

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 10:28:00 (permalink)
I am sticking with SPlat until it stops working. 
 
I already have Studio One 3 Pro (still have a problem with v3.5 onwards relating to the new low latency features - I have printed off the latest guide on this here  https://forums.presonus.com/download/file.php?id=7582 and will see if I can solve the problems) and have also just added Notion at crossgrade price to cover my notation needs. I am dual booting Windows 7 and 10 but use W 7 about 99% of the time. So I could also try the latest S1Pro in W10. 
 
I already have Cubase Elements 9 and will upgrade to 9.5 for £17. I quite like the workflow, chord track feature and some of the instruments. Decided against Cubase Pro as it is probably overkill for my needs. I am hoping that the GM mode in Halion will do as a replacement for TTS-1 which I find very useful and use a lot for auditioning MIDI files (thanks abacab for the tip).
 
I already have Reaper which I never really spent much time with after buying SPlat. I quite liked it whne I did use it and it had come on a long way since then.
 
I decided against Mixcraft after trying the demo. The workflow I use a lot with Antares Harmony Evo (mentioned elsewhere so I won't detail again here) doesn't work as I would like and it also did not pick up my full Melodyne Editor. I see a few people on their forum mention similar issues with Melodyne. Anyway, I think I am covered as far as DAWs are concerned so don't really need Mixcraft as well. 
 
BTW my goto reverb is Breverb 2 in SPlat (especially the Cathedral preset). I have loads of other reverbs but I just love the sound of this so I will probably buy the full upgrade - around $83 in cart at JRR with free Galaxy X-FX .
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/27 20:43:30 (permalink)
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@Danny, for me it’s a hardware consideration, I want to keep using my Mac Pro. Bootcamp was just a PITA. Since the lack of a Mac version of Sonar happened. I’ve given up on the idea of Sonar for the future. With a DAW platform that is cross OS compatible, I can learn it again more thoroughly and when the time comes I can’t afford a new Mac all my projects can be switched over easily.



If I had Mac I'd go with Logic and never look back.




 
The only issue is kite, I may not always have a Mac. I love Logic Pro and the way my X-touch works with it also, but, reality is, I am not as free and easy with my wifes money to consider ever getting a new Mac Pro, the only possibly scenario might be upgrading my older one a little more with new parts. For now, I am happy with Cubase mostly, just need to make a template for the X-touch :).
 
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 00:55:41 (permalink)
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I am sticking with SPlat until it stops working.

 
I will too.  But is it a bit depressing to realize that it has been deprecated.  After two decades with Cakewalk, I find that aspect a bit UN-inspirational.  
 
But with that said, Project 5 from Cakewalk still runs, even on Windows 10 years after it was killed by Cakewalk.  The only downside with that is that it's 32-bit only, and single threaded.  Not an issue with the latest Sonar!!! 
 

I already have Cubase Elements 9 and will upgrade to 9.5 for £17. I quite like the workflow, chord track feature and some of the instruments. Decided against Cubase Pro as it is probably overkill for my needs. I am hoping that the GM mode in Halion will do as a replacement for TTS-1 which I find very useful and use a lot for auditioning MIDI files (thanks abacab for the tip).

 
I think I will grab the latest Cubase Elements, which has the best MIDI support I have seen in a DAW outside of Sonar!!!
 
BTW my goto reverb is Breverb 2 in SPlat (especially the Cathedral preset). I have loads of other reverbs but I just love the sound of this so I will probably buy the full upgrade - around $83 in cart at JRR with free Galaxy X-FX .



I do like that Breverb too!!! Might have to add that one to my shopping list!!!

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 01:21:20 (permalink)
First I bought Cubase Elements 9.0, then I bough Mixcraft 8.0 (Pro Version), the I got a deal on Studio One 3 Artist version...I'm planning taking some time and work with all three to see which one I gravitate to. I'm thinking Cubase for midi, Mixcraft for working with loops, and making mp3's. Studio One Artist for basic audio. Well see after I've spent some time with each one. 
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 01:37:34 (permalink)
My priorities are comping, Mackie implementation and melodyne integration, so S1 is far ahead of the pack at this time.  Open to alternatives, but my post is dead...
 
Mixbus was too thin in the comping department.  Lots else to like there though.
 
S1 revealed more opportunities for plugin control than I realized with SPlat, a bonus as well.

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 01:49:39 (permalink)
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First I bought Cubase Elements 9.0, then I bough Mixcraft 8.0 (Pro Version), the I got a deal on Studio One 3 Artist version...I'm planning taking some time and work with all three to see which one I gravitate to. I'm thinking Cubase for midi, Mixcraft for working with loops, and making mp3's. Studio One Artist for basic audio. Well see after I've spent some time with each one. 




Those are all great points!  Too bad there isn't one DAW that does it all!!! 

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 02:24:36 (permalink)
Another cool thing about having multiple programs is most come with a collection of loops, all totaled I have almost 9,000 loops in my Mixcraft program now !!!!!
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 03:56:12 (permalink)
My heart and loyalty are still with Splat and I will still use it for now, but I will be getting another DAW so I can get my teeth into that and learn it while moving my work over to it. I'm heading for Cubase Pro because it's the only sensible replacement for Sonar for me. Everything else is too lightweight or focussed on one task only. I heard fantastic things about Studio One Pro so tried out the demo and sure it's nimble and easy to learn because it only has a basic feature set. However, I think it's heading in a good direction and when it's more mature I will pick up a discounted license some day and use it for some stuff maybe.
 
A lot of people seem to be overlooking Cubase because it doesn't support ARA, but you can still use Melodyne VST  with it easily enough and it has its own system similar to Melodyne built right in. Then others slate it because it requires a USB dongle. I don't have a problem with that. I have various USB dongles for other software I use. It's no big deal.
 
I also have Mixbus and FL Studio which I use for certain things but they alone are not robust enough to be my main DAW.

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 04:13:04 (permalink)
So now that I've got my software situation settled, back to the kitchen. My new mixer arrived today and I just used it to make a batch of Lemon Ice Cream. It came out awesome !! I experimented with my own recipe and ended up with some really tasty lemon sherbert. The new Ice Cream Maker attachment is super simple to use...I'll be using this a lot. I have a couple of ice cream recipe books coming, one from Ben and Jerry's...
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 05:45:54 (permalink)
Now that’s entertainment!

"We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl" (Wish You Were Here)
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 06:58:09 (permalink)
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I also have Mixbus and FL Studio which I use for certain things but they alone are not robust enough to be my main DAW.




Mixbus I get, but where does FL Studio fall short for you?
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 08:20:50 (permalink)
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I also have Mixbus and FL Studio which I use for certain things but they alone are not robust enough to be my main DAW.




Mixbus I get, but where does FL Studio fall short for you?


The mixer for one thing, but the list goes on. I love FL Studio for some things but it's not a complete solution for me. 

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 11:00:41 (permalink)
Primary DAW = SONAR Platinum
 
Secondary DAW = Studio One 3
 
Tertiary DAW = Reaper

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 14:37:43 (permalink)
I just remembered that I had an unused license for Ableton Live 9 Lite.  Installed it and taking a look around ... have a very cheap upgrade offer still on the table for an old Live 5 license. 

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 14:58:42 (permalink)
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I also have Mixbus and FL Studio which I use for certain things but they alone are not robust enough to be my main DAW.




Mixbus I get, but where does FL Studio fall short for you?


The mixer for one thing, but the list goes on. I love FL Studio for some things but it's not a complete solution for me. 




I tried a demo of FL Studio 12 earlier this year. 
 
First impressions:  I would say that it seems very polished, and the install and scan for plugins was very painless. 
 
Pros:  I think it may have the best PRV editor I have seen in any DAW.  It also has a rabid fan base, so there are a lot of how-to videos available.
 
Lifetime updates is a plus!
 
Cons (for me): The channel rack workflow was a deal breaker for me.  I work with 98% virtual instruments, so having to first insert the instruments into the channel rack (a combination synth rack and step sequencer/MIDI pattern recorder), instead of a track in the arrangement, seems like such a different workflow from a mainstream DAW. 
 
Did not care for keeping the instruments separate from the track arrangement.  To have to first record a MIDI pattern in the channel rack, then insert it in a track seems like an extra step.
 
Appears to be highly optimized for making beats with samples in a step sequencer.  Nothing wrong with that, if that is the goal! 
 
And the mixer too ... just found the whole channel rack, mixer, playlist (track view) arrangement unnecessarily cumbersome.  My two cents. 

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/28 16:57:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/11/28 17:43:22
It's been a lot of fun exploring what's out there in DAW-land. Unfortunately, every one of them has some severe limitation compared to SONAR.
 
Makes you think about what you really need in a DAW. For example, which is more important, Melodyne integration or MIDI editing? 
 
Reminds me of an old Peanuts cartoon, where Charlie Brown ponders:
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, 'Where have I gone wrong?' Then a voice says to me, 'This is going to take more than one night.'

 
This is going to take more than one night.


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/29 00:41:05 (permalink)
I currently work with Sonar, studio One 3, Reaper and Mixbus. I think I'm well covered if one should fail.

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/29 01:46:53 (permalink)
bitflipper
 
This is going to take more than one night.




That's the quote of the year right there!!! 

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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/29 02:07:45 (permalink)
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That's a bit troubling since 32-bit is on the way out. Some plug-ins are now releasing only 64-bit versions.




superwave stuff is all 32 bit, they have told me to use jbridge, it's not free.. and I'm in too minds if I can be bothered with superwave..lol
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Re: Where are you in your search for a new DAW? 2017/11/29 02:10:12 (permalink)
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It's been a lot of fun exploring what's out there in DAW-land. Unfortunately, every one of them has some severe limitation compared to SONAR.


This is why I ended up with three different programs. Each one has their high points. I also ended up buying a few Waves plug-ins to beef up my DAW's capabilities. 
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