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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/03 02:05:09 (permalink)
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OK for those accusing me of being biased or thinking that my suspicions of DAW vote rigging are a sign of my insanity etc. Here is an image clipped from the graph of poll results during one of the voting patterns that made me suspicious. At the top and the bottom, you see sections of the standard voting pattern which is representative of what the pattern was usually like. Inbetween those you see an unbroken line of loads of S1 votes that come in in a short period during which the view counter on the poll forum thread hardly increases. A similar pattern occurred at the same time of day over a few days during the 12 days of polling.
 
https://ibb.co/i4OUBb
 
I think any sensible person would become a tad suspicious when faced with these facts. This is why I suggested that S1 is the most popular choice even if the suspicious votes are removed, however, the margin of its popularity i.e. the number of votes in my view, couldn't be depended on due to the facts I have presented here.




 
Haha. I stand corrected 35mm. Someone out there does indeed have that little in their life, and they REALLY like S1:)

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/03 02:28:32 (permalink)
my point was that giving results and placing unproven accusations is  way to undermine your results by discounting the results.  Most polls simply state results and let data speak for itself. planting seeds of doubt  on result.  The fact that you only pointed to results of one product possibly being tainted is clearly biased.  any or all of them could be false or true.  it's not a big deal in the big picture but it's a horrible way to present a survey. 
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/03 02:31:38 (permalink)
anyway.  didn't mean to seem like it was  some major issue. no worries
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/03 03:05:59 (permalink)
Hey Dubdisciple. To be clear, although my post came after yours, but I wasn't responding to anything you said. I was talking about whoever was desperate enough to feign multiple votes:)

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/03 16:35:01 (permalink)
I didn't take part in the poll, because I couldn't pick more than one option, which is what would apply for me.  I'm keeping with SONAR for the time being at least, however I did also purchase Harrison Mixbus, purely on the strength of the deal.  In addition, I plan on buying a licence for Reaper in the near future (as, based on my initial experience, Mixbus's MIDI implementation isn't great and seeing as I do use this quite a lot, having better MIDI implementation is desirable for me).
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/03 17:37:25 (permalink)
33mm, thanks for the poll idea.  It made for a fun read anyway and no harm done. 
 
I concur, that image of voting you posted makes the result highly suspicious.  I withdraw my question about seeing the results. 

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/05 00:42:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2018/01/05 00:52:26
Thanks for doing the poll.  My guess is that S1 and Cubase are the leading replacement DAWS, but that the number of S1 votes in your informal poll is obviously an aberration.  The internet has many great aspects, but dealing with trolls is not one of them.  And some trolls don't even realize they are trolls.  
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/05 00:54:19 (permalink)
it's like someone who really likes studio one did the survey againa and again and again and again and again and again etc. wonder if there is anyone on the Cakewalk forums who likes studio one THAT much? 

 
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/05 01:08:41 (permalink)
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it's like someone who really likes studio one did the survey againa and again and again and again and again and again etc. wonder if there is anyone on the Cakewalk forums who likes studio one THAT much? 
I do. I am currently working on a CD project that involves 3 DAWs and I like S1 the most because it is fast and efficient. For example clip gain, meloydne and audio bounce in S1 is faster than Sonar. Midi quantize is a heck lot faster too. Most importantly it is a lot more stable than Sonar.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/05 02:32:40 (permalink)
Agree.
I voted for SOP too (but only once ).
It is fast and easy to use. It saves me time when mixing.
It does everything I need a daw to do.
I like the resizable faders and how the mixer docks and undocks. The "Edit", "Mix" and "Browse" buttons are handy.
I made my own color scheme because the default was a little drab. I loaded the "dive" preset and brightened it.
SOP is very stable for me and has not crashed or had the audio engine stop. Sonar used to give me the "audio engine has stopped" warning box frequently for no known reason. Pro Tools did that too.
I own Sonar, Samplitude, Pro Tools, Waveform 8, Reaper.
SOP fits my workflow the best.
Everyone must do their "homework" and find out which daw fits their workflow the best.
 
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/05 02:52:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2018/01/05 22:27:04
backwoods
it's like someone who really likes studio one did the survey againa and again and again and again and again and again etc. wonder if there is anyone on the Cakewalk forums who likes studio one THAT much? 



Who remembers Richard head?
There is another guy currently on these forums that seems to be related to Richard.
 
I can understand liking SOP, or any other daw for that matter, but to be constantly posting how good said daw is seems abnormal, unhealthy, and possibly Obsessive-Compulsive.
 
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/05 03:12:23 (permalink)
Having tried out quite a few DAWs (SO3, Reaper, Samplitude X3 Pro, Mixcraft) I've got to say that Mixcraft for me was the only one I felt comfortable with from the start, and fitted in well with my existing workflow. In many cases Mixcraft was actually easier and quicker to use than SPLAT (e.g. Melodyne integration, Send and Sub-mix busses).
 
I felt I did have to get a paint program out and replace the faux wood sides of the console view with something less loud and tacky though, as it was annoying the hell out of me! I'm not usually so superficial, but I do most of my music later on in the evening, and the bright faux wood was just too loud for my tired eyes.
 
If I had to learn a new DAW from scratch I'd probably go for Reaper, followed by SO3.
 
However, none of them were SPLAT so I'm sticking with SPLAT for now... I've got my backup DAWs should I need them.
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/05 15:18:14 (permalink)
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35mm
... Here is an image clipped from the graph of poll results during one of the voting patterns that made me suspicious. At the top and the bottom, you see sections of the standard voting pattern which is representative of what the pattern was usually like. Inbetween those you see an unbroken line of loads of S1 votes that come in in a short period during which the view counter on the poll forum thread hardly increases. A similar pattern occurred at the same time of day over a few days during the 12 days of polling.
 
https://ibb.co/i4OUBb
 
I think any sensible person would become a tad suspicious when faced with these facts...

Haha. I stand corrected 35mm. Someone out there does indeed have that little in their life, and they REALLY like S1:)



That's quite hilarious. And "a tad suspicious" is currently in my pole position for Understatement Of The Year... well OK, the year is young still, but you've got a solid initial lead... 
 
Now if you'll pardon me, I'm just going to go and take half an hour of my life to artificially skew the results of a literally meaningless poll. 

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/05 17:43:05 (permalink)
Though some find your efforts to be pointless, I for one did find the poll and its inaccurate unscientific results worthwhile. If for no other reason than to feed my own curiosity. The results don't need to be spot on hyper accurate to get a feel for what others are choosing. Thanks for posting.

 
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 02:06:59 (permalink)
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Though some find your efforts to be pointless, I for one did find the poll and its inaccurate unscientific results worthwhile. If for no other reason than to feed my own curiosity. The results don't need to be spot on hyper accurate to get a feel for what others are choosing. Thanks for posting.


Thanks. I basically did it for people like us who are curious and don't need OCD levels of accuracy to fulfill our curiosity. It does amaze me though that there is obviously someone here who is such a Studio One fanboy that they felt they had to f*ck with the results. I know there are a few people around here who know nothing about music or how to produce it but like to buy the software so they can pretend, so I can only assume it was one of them otherwise they would have been too busy making music than to waste their time rigging a silly little poll.
 
I do think though if the poll and this thread prove anything, it's that all the fanboys went for Studio One. That's not to say that everyone who went for Studio One is a fanboy! I have Studio One. It's not my main DAW but I find it interesting and really think it's going to be something special in the future. The fact that their forum might be full of fanboys kind of puts me off like it does with Apple. If the results are adjusted to account for the fanboy rigging, they prove that Cubase and Studio One are the most popular choices with Studio One maybe having the edge. But the majority of people didn't go for Studio One or Cubase. They stayed with Sonar or went with another DAW or didn't vote. So the whole poll and the effort someone went to rig it was all a completely pointless waste of time ;) While the poll was running I was busy producing music in Sonar (mixing and exporting stems only), Studio One, Samplitude and if I'm honest I did something unspeakable in FLStudio too. It saddens me that during that time someone was spending their musical time rigging the vote. Someone earlier mentioned 'obsessive compulsive'. Having lived with someone with OCD that kind of behavior fits the rigging pretty well!

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 02:20:27 (permalink)
what the poll proved beyond question is that at least one presonus studio one fanboy is a total muppet :)

 
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 02:28:55 (permalink)
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what the poll proved beyond question is that at least one presonus studio one fanboy is a total muppet :)


Hmm I suggest Muppet fanboy survey across DAWs to build a more accurate picture.

Actually I'd almost pay money to see it happening.
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 02:31:27 (permalink)
good! go away and do it to make yourself useful. chop chop!

 
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 02:37:07 (permalink)
It's time to get things started?
Why don't you get things started...

Hmm familiar...
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 02:49:32 (permalink)
Ok here it is.

NEW SURVEY!

https://doodle.com/poll/isrec9qxuxguwg99
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 03:34:23 (permalink)
CakeAlexSHere
Ok here it is.

NEW SURVEY!

https://doodle.com/poll/isrec9qxuxguwg99

Ha ha ha I voted. Not saying what for though.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 07:25:52 (permalink)
CakeAlexSHere
Ok here it is.

NEW SURVEY!

https://doodle.com/poll/isrec9qxuxguwg99

As polls go it was OK. I gave it 5. It had a nice beat but I could not understand the words.
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 08:12:19 (permalink)
Awesome. I voted, but for a write-in candidate...

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/06 15:49:39 (permalink)
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I made the top 3!


I made 4 out of the top 5. Cubase (even with the "attractive" crossgrade price) was just too costly for me to jump on. The 9.5 demo is out, maybe I'll try it out for fun.
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/07 23:46:43 (permalink)
So far 3 votes for leaving Sonar.
Two votes for "Is this the real life"

I suspect fowl play with the "is this the real life" votes this will be going through a massive audit over the next few days.
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/08 18:43:24 (permalink)
Final results
https://doodle.com/poll/isrec9qxuxguwg99
 
3 for "Leaving Sonar".
3 for "Is This The Real Life"
1 for "All are base belong to us"
 
Conclusion?
 
Aliens.
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/09 04:28:13 (permalink)
Lol. From my experience with polls in the past in various music artist forums cheating a poll like this is tad easy. You just need to take some time and create a macros in browser. Internet Poll is reliable only if allowed only one vote per visitor. And the visitor should be registered or logged in with registered email id or phone. Only then its reliable. But still some one can create multiple accounts and vote. But it's difficult that way, so it won't cause too much difference.

Why don't you start a thread here and ask people to vote by commenting their vote. You will get an almost accurate result then. (Ask them not to comment anything else.)
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/09 12:49:05 (permalink)
CUBASE is the best way to go without a doubt
Once you get your head around the basics , It Is far easier than you think
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/09 14:59:46 (permalink)
The thread count at BeyondCakewalk.com is interesting not sure if it has generated the most sales but Studio One is definitely generating the most discussion.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/09 15:03:29 (permalink)
Yeah prefer Studio One, after years with Sonar I've had enough of programming bloat.
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