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2018/01/01 17:59:32 (permalink)

Which DAW - Poll Result

Thanks for taking part in the poll. Over 300 people have participated. I am posting the result in a new thread as it would get lost in the poll thread!
 
Votes were limited to one per person probably using cookies and as you will see in the results it may be that a Studio One fanboy duped the results just a tad. Either that or Studio One is incredibly popular in the Pacific rim as most of the S1 votes came in around the time people around the Pacific were coming online - over just a few days! Even accounting for some cheating, the results are pretty clear.
 
Results
 
Harrison Mixbus     - 0
Other                    - 1
FLStudio                - 1
Ableton                  - 1
Bitwig                    - 2
Digital Performer    - 2
Mixcraft                 - 3
Samplitude            - 20
Reaper                  - 22
Staying with Sonar - 23
Cubase                  - 33
Studio One            - 191 (WTF)
 
In the first hours of the poll Cubase and Studio One were pretty level pegged with one leading then the other. Studio One did start to pull ahead though (before the Pacific rim came online). So cheating or not, Studio One is the most popular choice for the Sonar afterlife. That's not a big surprise especially as they were the first to drop a deal here, as well as the deal that was currently going on. It could indicate that many people jumped ship right at the start before the other deals emerged.
 
I guess it isn't that surprising that "staying with Sonar" picked up a good percentage of votes. Mixcraft doesn't seem to have done too well considering their offer and interaction on these forums.
 
I wonder how representative this is of the high-end DAW market in general. It looks pretty much how I would expect the current DAW market to look - perhaps with the exception of S1's apparent monopoly in this poll. You will notice I actually forgot to put Pro Fools on the list - that may account for the 1 vote for "other" :)
 
Thanks all for taking part and if someone was busily upvoting S1 over a few days, I hope they found it was time well spent! :)
 
P.S. I was waiting for people to stop taking part in the poll before I published the results, but they didn't stop. I'll leave the poll going for now partly because I don't know how to stop the bloody thing!

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 18:13:25 (permalink)
I made the top 3!
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 18:23:18 (permalink)
So your conclusion is the results are artificial and incorrect.... An internet poll....Realllly?

Whether or not that is the case what difference does it reallly make?

I kinda wondered why in your last thread you had to wait for others to vote in this unscientific, irrelevant and unnecessary experiment to release the results. Was it to offset a questionible Conclusion or to eschew the results to one more favorable to your anticipation?

Don't answer those qiestions as they are more rhetorical then inquiry
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 18:24:51 (permalink)
I bought into a lot of the programs on the list to give them a fair chance. At first I had lots of problems with Studio One, and decided against it. But there was so much support for it, I decided to give it another chance and tried working with it some more. I couldn't resist the great price they offered at JRR, so I went for it. Glad I did. The full version work much better than the demo or Artist version. After I saw the Faderport 8 I knew I wanted a complete Studio One system. So yes I guess I am a fanboy of Studio One, but I only voted for it once. No stuffing the ballot box here. The system has been working excellent for me. That's why I'm sticking with it.
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 18:43:30 (permalink)
Why the WTF for Studio One?

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 18:46:46 (permalink)
With regard to the Notion program, it looks like a nice program but I have had problems with it crashing on me....I think it still needs some work.
 
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 18:47:48 (permalink)
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So your conclusion is the results are artificial and incorrect.... An internet poll....Realllly?

Whether or not that is the case what difference does it reallly make?

I kinda wondered why in your last thread you had to wait for others to vote in this unscientific, irrelevant and unnecessary experiment to release the results. Was it to offset a questionible Conclusion or to eschew the results to one more favorable to your anticipation?

Don't answer those qiestions as they are more rhetorical then inquiry
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Just realise it is what is it is, whether unexpected or not it's the Interwebs not gallup.

Um, I don't see it as a competition. I don't have any preference to how people vote. The other day I decided to set 300 as the cutoff point. It has to end somewhere and if I ended it next week do you think the results would be much different? Happy new year!

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 18:51:57 (permalink)
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Why the WTF for Studio One?


Because it's so far ahead in the poll and as I said, I suspect there may have been a bit of rigging going on because of a strange pattern that emerged for a few days. Even accounting for that, S1 still comes out as the most popular choice, but the margin looks WTF huge.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 18:56:39 (permalink)
Yet you accuse Studio One of illegitimate success to explain the numbers with (WTF).

I also know that your preference was not what polled high hence my assumption in my previous reply.

Oh and Happy New Year to you and all Sonarites, Studio One adopters and any other DAW User's out there.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 23:12:17 (permalink)
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Yet you accuse Studio One of illegitimate success to explain the numbers with (WTF).

I also know that your preference was not what polled high hence my assumption in my previous reply.

Oh and Happy New Year to you and all Sonarites, Studio One adopters and any other DAW User's out there.

I really don't get your point. I purchased Studio One Pro in the crossgrade deal. I have a license. I have nothing against Presonus. Studio One came out on top as I have explained. However, I do not believe they came out on top with the margin that the poll shows and I will explain why: during the poll, as you would expect, the view counter for the poll forum thread was always higher than the number of participants in the poll, because more people read the thread or re-read the thread than participated in the poll. After the first day or two, at about 3am (GMT) every morning there would be a ridiculous number of votes suddenly, all for S1 in the space of a couple of hours. This pattern happened at the same time every day for a few days. Normally the votes would be scattered and there was a fairly consistent pattern (I could see the pattern as I had a visual representation of the poll in the poll admin section), but during these periods there would be a big list of S1 votes only. Two things made me suspicious of this, 1) Most voters used their forum handles or an anonymous name - these S1 voters during these times used first and last names and in some cases middle initials too which looks like a random name generator script (which I use for testing databases) e.g. Margarette J. Smith. 2) During these periods which saw loads of S1 votes over a very short period of time, the view counter on the forum thread didn't increase any more than usual and would work out at less than the number of votes cast during that period. That thread was the only place the poll link was posted, so you can draw your own conclusions!
 
Look, I set up a poll for sh*ts and giggles. I said I would post the results. I did post the results. You can take them or leave them. I also posted my comments on those results as I am sure many others will do. Are you accusing me of rigging the results or of being unsportsmanlike in the face of S1 winning despite what seems to be a huge number of fake votes - and despite my having purchased an S1 license? I could have voted for several of the options on the poll as I have at least 6 of the DAWs on there - Sonar, MixBus, Studio One, Samplitude, FLStudio, and Bitwig. I saw it as a poll, but you seem to see it as a horse race. Please explain why you are digging at me for posting a poll?

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/01 23:42:47 (permalink)
then again there are people like me...active here, didn't take the poll, using Studio One...bought Mixbus as well, tried PT..decided on Studio One.
Where would that put me in the poll? 
 
Seriously, probably is fairly indicative of the dominant shift to S1.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 00:39:57 (permalink)
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then again there are people like me...active here, didn't take the poll, using Studio One...bought Mixbus as well, tried PT..decided on Studio One.
Where would that put me in the poll? 
 
Seriously, probably is fairly indicative of the dominant shift to S1.


"Where would that put me in the poll? " One of the majority of Cakewalk users who didn't take part in the poll I guess. If everyone had have taken part, other than the numbers, would the result be different? I guess the more people who partake, the more accurate the result but even with a small sample, you should get a clear picture.
 
I'm not a pollster or statistician. I just did this out of interest, but presumably, if the same thing happened to FLStudio and someone did a similar poll for that, the result would be different and probably Ableton and Bitwig would have come out on top. One of the reasons I thought this might be interesting is because it isn't one of the industry-wide polls. It's specific to disenfranchised Sonar users who presumably chose Sonar over any other DAW for a reason and therefore their reasoning to move to another particular DAW would be different from that of other DAW users.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 01:26:07 (permalink)
M and M is the highest selling rekkerd, so it's the best muzik too!!!    ;)
 
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 01:41:37 (permalink)
You are arguing against your own poll results using terms like 'I believe'. The only evidence you have are the poll numbers. That is what you must base your conclusion on. Anything else shows a gross misunderstanding of the simplest of statistical mechanisms.
 
As to the results, other than your own bias and given the tiny sample size, there is nothing at all precluding the outcome that S1 really is that much more popular with ex Sonar users than anything else on offer. Interesting, but not that surprising.
 
It was a fun idea. I wouldn't overthink or second guess the results. You have to ask yourself, is there really anyone out there with so little else in their life they would take the time and effort to skew the results of an insignificant poll in a forum thread?
post edited by tenfoot - 2018/01/02 08:18:43

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 02:35:13 (permalink)
35mm,
Thank you for taking a bull by the horns so to speak.
Trying to get the vibe and flow of users as we experiment and sometimes scramble for a replacement DAW.
Your post is valuable, as you have tried to help open and expand the dialog.
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 03:19:28 (permalink)
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You have to ask yourself, is there really anyone out there with so little else in their life they would take the time and effort to scew the results of an insignificant poll in a furum thread?



This is the Internet, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes. <G>

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 04:22:22 (permalink)
^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 05:52:09 (permalink)
It means that Studio One is 9.55 times better than Samplitude!  

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 08:08:58 (permalink)
Al, thanks for doing the poll! I find it interesting. I'm personally very happy to have switched to SO.
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 12:04:31 (permalink)
There is a similar poll over at my favourite Ex SONAR Users Forum and, at this moment in time, Studio One has 47% of the vote, Cubase 20% and Reaper at 12%

A much smaller sample but at least the results are trustworthy, in my opinion.

What would be interesting, though, is how the same poll would fare in another six to twelve months time as peeps really get to grips with their DAW of choice...

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 14:16:56 (permalink)
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There is a similar poll over at my favourite Ex SONAR Users Forum and, at this moment in time, Studio One has 47% of the vote, Cubase 20% and Reaper at 12%

A much smaller sample but at least the results are trustworthy, in my opinion.

What would be interesting, though, is how the same poll would fare in another six to twelve months time as peeps really get to grips with their DAW of choice...


That makes the most sense of it all, It's really to soon. How on earth does anyone know if someting new is going to pan out there is bound to be niggles here and there.

The standards are quite high these day's and grumble factor of carping and nitpicking way up. People expect and want a DAW to be everything even if can't in reality. Not saying any of that is not legit just more dissatisfaction that it didn't work as advertised.....perfectly.

I suspect Studio One will have some of those issues with some but only time would have told, or will tell, when it's time. You don't need an Internet poll to figure that out, it kinda makes it's presence known when the dissatisfied start too invade the forum...or any forum for that matter.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 14:38:58 (permalink)
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There is a similar poll over at my favourite Ex SONAR Users Forum and, at this moment in time, Studio One has 47% of the vote, Cubase 20% and Reaper at 12%

A much smaller sample but at least the results are trustworthy, in my opinion.

What would be interesting, though, is how the same poll would fare in another six to twelve months time as peeps really get to grips with their DAW of choice...

Yeah - I think Andy is onto something. Wait until the dust settles and the honeymoon is over:)

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 18:56:42 (permalink)
The results of the poll - and this is not anyone's fault - are probably also affected by the timing of crossgrade offers.  Some competing DAWS were quicker to offer the deals.  I'm using Mixcraft, for example, and it was about a week late getting its crossgrade purchase up and running, but Studio One was available before the poll started.
 

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 19:40:21 (permalink)
You claim to be unbiased, yet simultaneously conclude cheating likely occured because results because the choice you did not favor got the most votes? Ummm ok. Does it make a difference which is most popular in this forum?
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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 20:04:25 (permalink)
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You claim to be unbiased, yet simultaneously conclude cheating likely occured because results because the choice you did not favor got the most votes? Ummm ok. Does it make a difference which is most popular in this forum?

I have given reasons why I suspect there could have been a bot or some kind of rigging. The pattern (which I can see in the admin) and the fact that the forum thread views were not incrementing when there were surges of all S1 votes made me suspicious and would have done regardless of which DAW was effected - I own 6 of the DAWs on the list including Studio One. I thought it best to be honest and divulge my suspicions with the results in this thread. It would have been misleading if I hadn't have said anything. 
 
If I was biased I could have fabricated whatever result I wanted. I didn't. I published the results as they are and stated that rigged or not S1 came out as the most popular choice. What possible reason would I have to be biased anyway? It's just a poll to see which DAWs Sonar users are buying into at this moment in time.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 20:29:15 (permalink)
OK for those accusing me of being biased or thinking that my suspicions of DAW vote rigging are a sign of my insanity etc. Here is an image clipped from the graph of poll results during one of the voting patterns that made me suspicious. At the top and the bottom, you see sections of the standard voting pattern which is representative of what the pattern was usually like. Inbetween those you see an unbroken line of loads of S1 votes that come in in a short period during which the view counter on the poll forum thread hardly increases. A similar pattern occurred at the same time of day over a few days during the 12 days of polling.
 
https://ibb.co/i4OUBb
 
I think any sensible person would become a tad suspicious when faced with these facts. This is why I suggested that S1 is the most popular choice even if the suspicious votes are removed, however, the margin of its popularity i.e. the number of votes in my view, couldn't be depended on due to the facts I have presented here.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 21:08:04 (permalink)
This will happen everytime with Internet polls, they can't be relied on for sampling of any kind and that right there is the reason for debate.

Is it helpful? Maybe for some who rely on what they think is the "popular" choice. It really isn't for those who know what they need and whether it fits their workflow.

That is the reasons for demoing first and buy later, even with a tempting crossgrade sale. Not saying it is not the right thing to pick up a bargain but a poll should be last thing to consider in my opinion when it comes to whether or not one makes the best choice considering the ways the poll can be manipulated.

Even if it's for "s#!ts and giggles" the impression outlasts the intention.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 21:18:07 (permalink)
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Is it helpful? Maybe for some who rely on what they think is the "popular" choice. It really isn't for those who know what they need and whether it fits their workflow.

That is the reasons for demoing first and buy later

I never even considered that anyone would view the poll results in order to make a decision as to what DAW to buy next. I can't imagine many would do that. Its purpose was really just to see which way people were going post-Sonar/Cakewalk as a kind of interesting and fun distraction from the usual stuff.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 21:35:36 (permalink)
I wrote ""popular" choice" past tense meaning already bought.Sorry for the confusion. Some like to think they make the right choice and will defend that in no uncertain terms.

So even if you are just having fun as you say it or explain away why the data suggests scrutiny some may chime in otherwise(me included).

I think at this point it is better to stop beatin' a dead horse and bow out in grace and allow your thread to continue unimpeded by my ramblings.

Good music to all(yourself included) whatever choice they make may it be what works for ya when Sonar ceases to work all together.

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Re: Which DAW - Poll Result 2018/01/02 22:03:46 (permalink)
I ended up going for Mixcraft on 12/31, but didn't participate in the poll.

I had a trial of Cubase Elements 9.5, which I really liked because of the Chord Track, but I would have preferred the full blown Cubase, but couldn't justify the price, and Elements will remain $99, so I may pick that up.

For now, it will be Mixcraft and Reaper for me. Sure wish Reaper had pitch markers, or better yet, a chord track.
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