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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 12:22:29
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Are you saying that you feel people are "entitled" to more than 1.5% interest on their savings account?
The risk takers just hit a new high at the DOW.
Seems like anyone that wants to work at it can cash in on the times... no matter when that happens to be.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 12:34:35
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Are you saying that you feel people are "entitled" to more than 1.5% interest on their savings account?
The risk takers just hit a new high at the DOW.
Seems like anyone that wants to work at it can cash in on the times... no matter when that happens to be.
Try explaining this to a 95yo who has always been independent and never gotten involved in the market. I know times change and people get left behind because they no longer understand the changes.... that is where a LOT of elderly people are. They worked, they saved, they don't understand why what they were always told no longer works. They don't know who to trust because really, who can they trust? My answer is to work harder and make more money so when theirs runs out I can support them. If I were to advise them and things went wrong... well, we aren't going there. I also realize that it was on their watch when the government began spending the SSI funds but, as for my parents, making sense is not something one wants to do. I don't think those "in charge" ever expected people to live so long. I also think that honest, trusting people always seem to end up holding the short end of the stick when it comes to money. Life is hard, that is for sure... J
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 12:39:45
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That is an empire that had an endless supply of conquest and slaves. That always seems to work when all else fails.... Empire! it is what makes this world run.  In this world there is ALWAYS going to be a topdog, there is always going to be the rich and the poor, the haves and the have nots. In my experience, being topdog is better. Yes, being the windshield beats being the bug anyday. J
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 13:38:24
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jbow
I don't think those "in charge" ever expected people to live so long.
While this is true, since 1940 life expectancy for someone who reaches retirement age has only increased ~5 years.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 15:54:13
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I am being politically incorrect here... But know God. A least be spiritual and show respect and compasion and be the best person you can. Do the opposite of what the government says is good.
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Your not being politically incorrect. Your being correct.
I think you'll find that it should be " You're not being politically incorrect", and " You're being correct". It's a contraction of You and Are. The missing letter 'A' is replaced with an apostrophe, so You Are becomes You're, not " Your". The word "Your" is actually a possessive pronoun, as in something that belongs to you. For example: "Your grammar is poor"  Hope that helps, there's no need to thank me.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 16:24:47
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SteveStrummerUK
Hope that helps, there's no need to thank me.
Is that a proper use of a comma? 
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 16:46:16
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SteveStrummerUK
Hope that helps, there's no need to thank me.
Is that a proper use of a comma?
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 16:55:34
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SteveStrummerUK
Hope that helps, there's no need to thank me.
Is that a proper use of a comma?
I kneaded to paws four dramatic affect.
I figured thats what your doing, I would of used a semi-colon though, their not many good chances to use them.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 21:00:49
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Leave it to Strummy to derail my Sirius thread 
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 21:11:14
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 Did you forget something? Straummy is pedantic uno....
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 21:40:22
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Leave it to Strummy to derail my Sirius thread
What do you mean derail it? Didn't you understand that he was pointing out that bad grammar is symptomatic of the decline of civilization? Do we have to spell everything out?
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 21:54:05
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hi musicman100:a bit late to the party but agree it is a serious question.
If todays science fiction is tomorrows future then checkout the latest movies-all with post apolyptic ,zombie/vampire themes.
i used to ascribe to the "Walking Dead" theory of holing up on a farm to weather whatever scenario unfolds and have worked hard to be isolated,generate my own power,water, recycle my sewerage and waste and grow most of my poultry,fruit,vegies and nuts BUT.........,.
as for stocking up on the ammo-there`s 3 million people 90 minutes down the freeway and when they get hungry they will be heading my way and i would need to feed and house a small army to have any chance, so ,to me ,the core issue here will be hunger and the consequences IF the cities lost power for more than 4 days would be catastrophic-think about it-no refrigeration,water,petrol pumps etc.
Forget WMD`s,GFC`s,biological warfare and fracking-if you want to put a stop to this rampant madness just turn off the power for a week and see what happens..
NB: i am not condoning or even welcoming such a scenario it just seems so obvious to me.
anyone else?
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 22:20:35
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hi musicman100:a bit late to the party but agree it is a serious question.
If todays science fiction is tomorrows future then checkout the latest movies-all with post apolyptic ,zombie/vampire themes.
i used to ascribe to the "Walking Dead" theory of holing up on a farm to weather whatever scenario unfolds and have worked hard to be isolated,generate my own power,water, recycle my sewerage and waste and grow most of my poultry,fruit,vegies and nuts BUT.........,.
as for stocking up on the ammo-there`s 3 million people 90 minutes down the freeway and when they get hungry they will be heading my way and i would need to feed and house a small army to have any chance, so ,to me ,the core issue here will be hunger and the consequences IF the cities lost power for more than 4 days would be catastrophic-think about it-no refrigeration,water,petrol pumps etc.
Forget WMD`s,GFC`s,biological warfare and fracking-if you want to put a stop to this rampant madness just turn off the power for a week and see what happens..
NB: i am not condoning or even welcoming such a scenario it just seems so obvious to me.
anyone else?
Not to put a dampener on your catastrophe scenario or anything, but when New York lost power for 4 days (weeks in some places), it all remained pretty civilized.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 23:15:08
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hi musicman100:a bit late to the party but agree it is a serious question.
If todays science fiction is tomorrows future then checkout the latest movies-all with post apolyptic ,zombie/vampire themes.
i used to ascribe to the "Walking Dead" theory of holing up on a farm to weather whatever scenario unfolds and have worked hard to be isolated,generate my own power,water, recycle my sewerage and waste and grow most of my poultry,fruit,vegies and nuts BUT.........,.
as for stocking up on the ammo-there`s 3 million people 90 minutes down the freeway and when they get hungry they will be heading my way and i would need to feed and house a small army to have any chance, so ,to me ,the core issue here will be hunger and the consequences IF the cities lost power for more than 4 days would be catastrophic-think about it-no refrigeration,water,petrol pumps etc.
Forget WMD`s,GFC`s,biological warfare and fracking-if you want to put a stop to this rampant madness just turn off the power for a week and see what happens..
NB: i am not condoning or even welcoming such a scenario it just seems so obvious to me.
anyone else?
Not to put a dampener on your catastrophe scenario or anything, but when New York lost power for 4 days (weeks in some places), it all remained pretty civilized.
So you think NY is civilized to begin with???
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 23:39:13
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Sharke, you knew help was coming. Webb has it right - most major cities have 3-4 days of food stockpile, as well as fuel (not just for cars but for power, water, etc.). After that - well, there ain't no civilization on a hungry belly. It would be like the zombie apocalypse but w/ fast moving people. You don't have to worry, tho, not much. about the only thing that would bring such a condition on w/o killing most city folk is an EMP. And fortunately, most of the kind of people that would do such a thing are, to put it mildly, too ... technically deficient to accomplish that.
More likely is the kinda slower rot we had in the 70s - gas lines and 10% inflation. You know how to put in dent in the US IOUs? 4 years of 10% inflation means the $50,000 every man woman and child in America, regardless of religion race or age, owes via the government, is only worth 1/2 as much in real terms. If you happen to Chinese creditors too bad. If you happen to have saved money for retirement, sucker. If you are working, raises never seem to keep up w/ inflation. And don't forget the killer rabbits of the 70s.
As for the greatest generation - I feel bad for them but feel worse for their children - our generation. They started social security so their own folks didn't have to live when them when they got old and didn't have to have them die in the spare family bedroom like their grandparents did. Then they started Medicare, where the average worker pays in $110,000 and takes out $350,000. It is a good racket as long as you can find a sucker. I don't think are children are going to be so ... accommodating.
Cheer up, these are the good times before the reckoning comes around.
But if you want financial advice, it is never too late to get into commodities. You know, the things those inflated dollars take more of to buy. Tangible things like oil (a bit late for gold, it is already falling). And you know the one thing they can never make more of really? Land. So when the zombies come you'll have somewhere to go.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/05 23:47:37
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Not to put a dampener on your catastrophe scenario or anything, but when New York lost power for 4 days (weeks in some places), it all remained pretty civilized. you are right-some major capitals like New York ,London etc have vast backup generators but they are designed for just that-emergency backup for a lmited time and have finite fuel supplies and i doubt they divert emergency power to supermarkets etc.. you did well to find fresh food after 4 days other than fruit and veg.. Due to recent events,an astonishing number of Americans have bought backup generators but try running one to keep your Bacon cold 24/7 for "weeks". get away from the main hubs and it`s every person for themselves,especially when the city folk turn on their aircon and what`s left dribbles out to the country. Assuming power stations (particularly Nuclear) are terrorist targets and most analysts agree they are, then a syncronised attack that crippled generation for more than "weeks" would be catastrophic. Lets not forget 3 Mile,Fukushima etc.France and Japan rely largely on nuclear. Unfortunately,unlike you Sharke,i probably won`t be around to see such events so it will be up to you and the next generation to deal with it. Without sounding too cynical-the only thing that will save this planet is a catastrophe with a massive reduction in population,back to what the planet can comfortably sustain. But,the sun`s come out and i`m off to gather firewood which is, if you think about it historically, a fairly primal thing to do.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 01:11:13
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hi AT-i forgot about EMP-or it`s next iteration.
i do disagree with you though regarding the lack of technology available to suitable antagonists.
I have no doubt an elite group of government,military and other "important" people have the capability and resources to exist independantly for years after a catastrophe and if you want to extrapolate wildly and believe the earth is "doomed" what greater gift to mankind and history would it to be the person who saved earth from it`s own destruction and returned it to a level that was sustainable-governed by the "important" survivors of course!
What if it`s a rogue Bruce Willis or a spitefull Tony Stark or god forbid ,TomCruise!
we will just have to wait and see.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 07:02:23
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there is only 3 days worth of food in the supply line. That means on the shelves and in the back room at the supermarket.
If you live in a hurricane prone place like I do, you know that the shelves are bare within hours of the storm prediction to hit. No water, no bread, no milk, and if the situation was extended... there would be nothing in a few days without resupplying. In a hurricane, the resupply happens quickly.
Let something like an EMP hit and take out the power for an extended period of time on a large regional basis...like the entire east coast or west coast for a few months.... you are talking MAJOR problems in that entire area.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 07:25:12
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You know what's worse than that? Many supermarkets only stock 24 hours worth of toilet paper. I've done a lot of in house communications work for a large grocery chain. I was amazed to learn that the locations have bare minimum stock storage in the back of the store and that they work hard to use just in time supply and keep most of the stock "stored" on the display shelf. One example quoted to me was that toilet paper shows up everyday because it flies off the shelf fast. It has a small gross profit so they will not devote much storage space to it in the back. The storage space is the retail display and a endless supply of semi trailers. Oh bother. Here's another thing to consider... how fast do you think we'll run out of squirrels when 300,000,000 people start shooting them with their 7.62x39ers? A day? A week?
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 09:30:18
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Ah, Mike, that essential of civilized life - toilet paper. It is best to learn what poison ivy looks like in the post apocalyptic world ;-)
I don't know how many rodents there are in the US. But if you shoot them w/ an AK you ain't gonna have much meat left.
Tony, I know an EMP and the delivery systems are based on 1940's technology but it is still a rather complex affair. It takes a State to do it, and states by their very nature are targets. If you are in the leadership of a country, you probably don't want to lose that power, privilege and life. A terrorist might not mind to blow his self up, but you, as a leader in a small clique of states, probably don't. Not to say an emp attack couldn't happen (or nuke, or chemical attack), but the survival instinct is very strong, especially if, as they say in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, you are the only one not covered in sh...
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 09:45:10
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"I don't know how many rodents there are in the US. But if you shoot them w/ an AK you ain't gonna have much meat left."
:-)
My thinking exactly.
:-)
I know one prepper who has purchased 12 different hunting rifles in the past year... after a lifetime of getting by with only 2.
I keep asking him... "which one are you going to carry with you when you head into the back country on foot?"
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 09:48:48
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musicman100
Leave it to Strummy to derail my Sirius thread
Sorry George. I'll return to my normal sensible, salubrious self immediately. They're we go.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 09:57:40
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Sanitation would be a big deal. Assuming no power.... it isn't long before infrastructure such as water purification and waste disposal stops working.
I've seen estimates that with an extended power outage in the order of 12 to 18 months, 80% or greater would sucumb to disease or death by some other means.
As far as eating rat and other vermin, which will likely become plentiful, a nice Crossman 760 series BB gun will suffice and doesn't make much noise either. Just be sure to cook those suckers good.... you don't want to get parasites without having a good medical service nearby.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 10:08:44
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If one isn't prepared to stay inside and protect the fort it's going to be ugly.
Prescriptions are going to be hard to get filled but a thirty day supply may be
more than enough one way or the other.
Without knowing what I'd do, I know a few things I wouldn't do. Running around outside with a gun is one. I saw Deliverance and times didn't seem so bad then. NO WAY would I be out in the woods trying to find food and I am an experienced hunter.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 10:29:29
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I can see a form of zombie feast coming up...
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 10:37:19
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Mike,
your well-armed friend obviously is hoping to domesticate a zombie or two for use as pack animals. One for the guns, one for ammo and the last for toliet paper. Everything a civilized man needs.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 10:50:38
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I plan on being one of the early casualties. I'm tired and I just don't feel up to surviving the collapse of civilization. Hording food, fighting off gangs, hiding from troops, escaping from zombies, and sneaking out of the death camps is a lot of work.
Let's face it. Now that we're not wasting time on inventions, manufacturing, or innovation of any kind, we really only have one thing of value we can offer the world: our Entertainment Industry. It seems to me that we have borrowed money from the mob and we can't pay it back. The only think keeping the goons from breaking kneecaps is the fact that we amuse the Don. Given the fact that a very large percentage of the world wants us dead more than they want their next breath, we'd better be very amusing.
I don't like the way that Vinnie is looking at me right now. I should turn off America's Got Talent. It doesn't appear to be helping us.
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Re:Who around here thinks the end of civilization is nigh?
2013/05/06 10:58:16
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When you said "Entertainment Industry", I thought you meant Hollywood......
But then again, Beyonce' and Jay-Z are the entertainment goons that amuse the Don.
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