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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/16 15:44:20 (permalink)
All of the above...

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/17 17:45:38 (permalink)
Build 10240 is in the slow and fast rings now. I've installed it and it's a very polished release. If this isn't the RTM release, it's very, very close.
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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/18 06:48:51 (permalink)
According to posts on the Windows 10 forum, 10240 is the "RTM" version.

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/18 21:50:14 (permalink)
Yes, I've seen those posts and they are probably right. I also wouldn't be surprised to see one or two more builds before RTM, but given the lead time OEM's require for a new Windows release, this is likely the one.
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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/18 22:45:50 (permalink)
Until M$ releases it or says it.. It's just speculation right or wrong.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/07/18 22:52:59

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/25 20:20:48 (permalink)
I've been using Win10 on my business machine for a few months now and varying versions have worked at varying degrees of "goodness".  For the most part, it's been fairly straightforward and clean.
 
I tried an earlier version in (maybe) January of this year and when I tried to get my PCR-800 working it was a complete no-go.  I'd be interested in the exact edits to the exact file that are needed.  I'd like to get Win10 on this computer for music but not being able to use my PCR-800 make my music making nearly impossible.  I do pretty much everything with it.  Without the installation even getting to the point where it will recognize that I've even plugged in the PCR, I can't even get it to power on and pass midi through - so it doesn't work AT ALL.
 
Any help appreciated on this.  I'd give an upgrade another go if I thought this would work - everything else on my machine was "good to go".

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/26 06:39:07 (permalink)
I have a PCR-500, which probably is the same as far as computer connection.  I have the 10240 Win 10 release and I'll give it a try later today and report back on how it does.  Everything else I've done with Win 10, in relation to recording works exactly as it does in Win 8.1. 
 
I've only used the PCR-500 on Win 7 and not on my 8.1 installation.  I don't do much MIDI and thus rarely use it.  Just bought it when Guitar Center was "blowing out" the discontinued line as I didn't have a MIDI keyboard.

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/26 09:39:00 (permalink)
Tried my PCR500 in Win 10 and it does not install.  I have the Roland Windows 8.1 driver (and it installed OK in Win 8.1 64 bit).  I tried Windows 8 compatibility mode and no go (there was no option for Win 8.1).  When I tried it in a Win 7 compatibility mode it would not install and the Roland installer noted incorrect Operating System.
 
When I upgrade to Win 10, it will only be my Win 8.1 install on a dual boot system with Windows 7.  If I want to use the PCR500, I can use it with Sonar/Win 7.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/26 11:02:54 (permalink)
Did you try to figure out what CadErik suggests in "hacking the driver file"?
 
CadErik: I took a look at the downloaded driver INF files and I didn't see anything in there that was "hackable" in terms of the OS version.  Can you clarify what you changed in which files to make this work? 

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/26 12:49:37 (permalink)
Talking to some people on the Windows 10 forum, they suspect its some oversight in Win 10 as Win 8.1 compatible drivers/hardware are supposed to work. 

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/26 13:02:03 (permalink)
Take a look at the INF file(s), which are text files you can open in Notepad. Most likely you'll something in there that specifies acceptable versions of Windows or file dependencies. If the person who created the INF was diligent, he will have liberally commented it and it'll therefore be easy to figure out what's what.


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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/26 13:55:30 (permalink)
The issue is, Win 8.1 drivers (and hardware) are supposed to work in Win 10.   As noted, the gurus on the Windows 10 forum say its an omission in Win 10 and not the Roland/Edirol drivers.  I've posted the problem on the Microsoft "Windows 10 insider" forum.
 
 

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/27 01:13:31 (permalink)
Looking into the RDIF1027.INF I see this section:
 
;---------------------------------------------------------------;
[Manufacturer]
%MfgName%=Roland,NTamd64.6.2,NTamd64.7
;[ControlFlags]
;ExcludeFromSelect=*
[Roland]
;; Windows7 - Windows XP 64
;; not supported
[Roland.NTamd64.6.2]
;; Windows8
%RDID0027DeviceDesc%=RDID0027Install, USB\VID_0582&PID_0033 ; PCR
[Roland.NTamd64.7]
;; not supported
;===============================================================;

Looks like they actively are blocking installation on other versions of Windows.
I haven't got Win10 installed yet, so I can't play around with the file to see how to bypass it.
But maybe adding the line 
 
%RDID0027DeviceDesc%=RDID0027Install, USB\VID_0582&PID_0033 ; PCR

To:
[Roland.NTamd64.7]

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/27 06:37:56 (permalink)
The driver, on the Roland site, is listed for Windows 8.1.  It won't install "natively" and won't install in a Win 8 compatibility mode.   My Roland Octa-Capture, which has a Win 8.1 driver installs OK.  My Roland Studio-Capture which has 8.1 drivers installs OK. 
 
My Frontier Tranzport, which only has Vista drivers, installs OK using the Vista compatibility mode.
 
I tried the Windows 7 64 bit OS Roland drivers, using Windows 7 compatibility mode and get the same Code 28 error.
 
According to the "guru's" on the Windows 10 forum, Win 10 is supposed to be compatible with Win 8.1 drivers and devices. 
 
The "Get Windows 10" application, on my Windows 7 installation that has the PCR500 installed and working, shows everything is compatible, no incompatible devices or software.

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/27 20:33:44 (permalink)
The issue here with this particular driver is that the version 7 driver SHOULD have worked with 8 and the 8 driver should have worked with 8.1, but neither was true if I recall correctly.  There was a new release of the driver for 8.1.  So, I'm not quick to blame Windows 10 on this since 10 has done fine with so many other drivers, even some not meant for 8.1 or 8, but this one eludes it - and in my case where I really had the obvious notice of the issue is that their "application" that does the installation doesn't even recognize that the device is plugged in during the install.  It's not even one of those driver installs that just does a courtesy install of the INF for you  - it's an actual application that doesn't even recognize the plugged in device.  As such, I'm not even sure that an INF file change itself would necessarily fix this problem.
 
That said - I wish I could try to do this modification, but I have some things I want to work on and the last time I fooled with this, I had to completely rebuild my system to get going again.  I really need to install on a separate drive and try there.  Unfortunately, I prefer an SSD installation as I have now.  I have a spare mechanical drive around that I could do this with, but that would mean that I'd need to install the OS, test this, then do the OS upgrade on my SSD - too many installs for the amount of free time I have these days :)

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/27 22:45:06 (permalink)
I wonder if Roland will write drivers for the v700 system? Anybody know?

Also will it ever be feasible to do an upgrade without wiping off the hard drive and doing a clean install and losing so much stuff?

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/27 22:46:02 (permalink)
Looks like I should have read everything before I posted the remark!
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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/28 06:35:20 (permalink)
The PCR driver was originally written for Windows XP.  Just some parameter changes in the installation file(s) to make it work in later OS's.  However, whatever changes in Win 10 OS and it doesn't work.  I don't think changing some parameter is going to make it work.  Starting with Win 7, Microsoft eliminated some backward compatibility with older hardware and drivers, apparently even less compatible with some older hardware and drivers in Win 10.
 
My other hardware, including the discontinued Frontier Tranzport, have drivers made for later OS' and probably why they work OK. 
Considering the PCR line was discontinued, I doubt that Roland will ever issue a Win 10 specific driver. 

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/29 10:16:20 (permalink)
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My Frontier Tranzport, which only has Vista drivers, installs OK using the Vista compatibility mode.

Geez, I'd forgotten all about the Tranzport, which has been gathering dust since I was unable to get it to work under 8.1. Maybe there's hope I can once again be reunited with my beloved Tranzport.
 
But then, I seem to recall that you had it working under 8.1, too.
 


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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/29 19:45:33 (permalink)
Ouch! it doesn't work now.  I had my Studio-Capture installed in an early Preview version but never checked it in the later or the final 10240 version.   The early Preview version must have been more 8.1 than 10. 
 
The Studio-Capture gets the same Code 28 error that the Roland/Edirol PCR MID keyboards do in Win 10.

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/29 20:23:57 (permalink)
Roland and Windows 10 support info:
http://www.roland.com/support/support_news/250010
 

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/29 20:37:13 (permalink)
Looks like I'll have a painfull update. Sonar has been crashing and I think it's all about the Steinberg UR44. Not the hardware, it seems related to some sort of pace security crap that's attached to it. It may be a long night.

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/29 21:14:21 (permalink)
There's definitely an issue with the Steinberg elicense software and win 10. No output and it crashes any Sonar projects that use the bundled plug ins.

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/30 02:55:42 (permalink)
Do not upgrade to Windows 10 if you using Steinberg products like Cubase or UR Audio Interfaces. 
 
Using Steinberg Hard/software, Windows 10 is not compatible now (Performance an Timing issues) within the MMCSS Class
 
https://www.steinberg.net/nc/en/support/knowledgebase_new/show_details/kb_show/product-compatibility-info-regarding-microsoft-windows-10.html
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Class_Scheduler_Service
 
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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/30 06:32:11 (permalink)
Here is the latest from Roland
 
http://www.roland.com/support/support_news/250024

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/30 11:16:38 (permalink)
I installed the windows upgrade last night. I had to download it manually because it wouldn't install with windows update. Downloaded the tool from microsoft and installed windows 10 and keeping my settings, programs, etc. 
I have to say that this was the best upgrade i had as far as windows and everything I have on my computer works like it did in windows 8.1.
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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/30 21:09:55 (permalink)
I put Win10 on my Surface Pro 3 last night - a painless upgrade.  I thought to try to install the pcr-800 drivers here on this Surface and (as expected) are still not working.  This is not my normal music computer, so it's a good place to prove the viability of them and then upgrade the music machine.
 
From the Roland news pages, it looks like there are plans to support 10 for devices that support 8.1, so I'm hoping that happens for this kb. 
 
BitFlipper - My Tranzport still works under Win8.1 - just have to run the driver installer in compatibility mode for Windows 7 and it runs right off.  Hope you get reunited!

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/31 02:34:45 (permalink)
Just checked the  Roland website, and it looks the OctaCapture should be supported. But the PCR-500 won't be. So let's see if I can hack the 8.1 driver.
 
Here's an overview of what's supported and what isn't:
 
http://www.roland.com/support/support_news/250024
 
 


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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/31 06:54:29 (permalink)
Grrr....this is news since last night, as far as what I saw anyway.  That is really uncool - especially for a device that it seems would be a no-brainer to change the drive for.  Am I missing something here?  Dang- hope someone is able to come up with a driver hack.  Can't afford to replace the kb, it still works, does everything the Axxx series does, etc.  Not that HAVE to upgrade to Win10 right now, but grrr....

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Re: Who switched to Windows Ten 2015/07/31 11:12:15 (permalink)
Check this thread out: http://forum.cakewalk.com/v700-and-Windows-10-m3206046.aspx
 
I managed to get my VS-100 working in Win 10 with an INF file hack and temporarily disabling digital driver signing. 
 
Mileage may vary for other products, but the VS-100 is working flawlessly with Win 10 & Sonar X2.
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