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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/27 09:00:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2014/06/30 19:54:29
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When you hear oldies talking about their record collection and the joy it gave it rubs off and younger audiophiles are picking up on the experience of listening which is the vinyl vibe man.
 



Vinyl is a religion and that's a good thing.  You take a time out, perform the ritual of manipulating the record with awe and gloved hands, then relax and meditate on the greatness of life and music for the next 40 minutes.  If you're lucky, you also have a fantastic audio system, a nice room, and no one is allowed to bother you while you worship.
 
A smart phone and cheap ear buds while sitting in front of Facebook just isn't the same.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/27 10:43:56 (permalink)
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I don't think it's entirely due to nostalgia, although that's a factor. I really think Robert got it right suggesting a connection to the loudness war. Vinyl just can't be mastered as hot as a digital recording, so it has to be done more conservatively.
 
That's a big part of why vinyl sounds better - it's not the medium, which is clearly inferior to digital by any conceivable standard. The same can be said about music on DVD, which often sounds better than its CD equivalent. It's not the medium, but the care that went into the mixing and mastering.


Hi all ,i agree with many sonarist's theories,bitflipper especially,but i would add another reason to back in the vinyl world..........
The incredible decline in the quality and standard of music labels and music piracy which stands destroying this area.
Once you buy a disc was also an opportunity to improve their musical culture.
My last job will come out with an American label going to be vinyl and digital.
I hope that quality (audio and music)will win.
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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/27 11:13:57 (permalink)
Simple! It's the album cover.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/27 12:39:45 (permalink)
I listened to Willie Nelson's "Stardust" album (1978) the other day. That was the first album I listened to in over 22yrs.

I have to say there was something very pleasing abut the experience. At the time I thought it sounded really open. But after listening for a few songs, I realized it was not harsh at all. Even with the scratches and pops, I still could not bring myself to perceive that it was harsh.

And that was the only "label" I could put on it.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/27 13:34:11 (permalink)

 
 

 

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/27 15:02:10 (permalink)
Only to bat ears!

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/27 15:16:35 (permalink)
How about this theory?
 
The record industry has made us buy the same music on different formats - Vinyl, Cassette, CD and mp3. Now they can't come up with a new format and so they are going back to the start again! Soon they'll be selling us retro CD's.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/27 21:46:06 (permalink)
I hear what I hear and that's all that I hear. Anything else, hears another beer?

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 00:57:55 (permalink)
If you really want vinyl to take off, throw it like a frisbee. XD

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 01:36:37 (permalink)
Because it's evident that CDs get scratched too.
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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 06:50:34 (permalink)
I Loathe cds... In the uk we had a show called "Tomorrows World" which ran a feature on CD's...Apparently you could spread Jam on them and they would still play, they were indestructible...
 
What a crock of brown stuff. CD's scratch easier than a scratch and sniff and when they are broke, man they are broke.
 
I'm really into labels like Sub Pop and Touch & Go, independent rock and theres something so magical about picking up a Sup Pop 7" on coloured vinyl...I love the smell of vinyl, the feel of vinyl and THE SOUND of vinyl.
 
I also used to run 3 Drum and Bass labels and we pressed on vinyl only, happy days....Digital came along and record sales plummeted and we had to fold the labels.

I couldnt give a rats ass about loudness wars.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 07:57:10 (permalink)
Well for one, vinyl can't be easily pirated...
 
I like to play my old vinyl records every once in a while, but I don't treat vinyl records like a religion unlike most vinylphiles (you know who you are...). I think a lot of the vinyl vs. CD debate is centered in how CD stole the market from vinyl starting in the late '80s, and much contempt came out of that. Most vinylphiles don't seem to have the same kind of hatred for MP3s despite the fact that MP3s sound inferior to CDs., so yes the argument is mostly rooted in nostalgia and emotion.
 

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 08:02:39 (permalink)
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Because it's evident that CDs get scratched too.




Yes CDs can get scratched, though if you play a scratched CD through certain high-end players, it can pretty much ignore the scratch altogether. For vinyl, a better quality stylus will give you better sound fidelity for sure, but it still can't hide the scratch.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 08:51:13 (permalink)
Well I still have a turntable, still have my collection of vinyl records from the 60s, 70s and early 80s. Every once in a while I will play something that didn't get replaced with a CD. I always wonder why the album seems so short, then I remember that I have to get up and turn it over to hear side two.
 
So that is why vinyl is better. Unlike CDs which only have one side vinyl records have two. And two is more than one...more is better. It is akin to my 56 Fender Twin Reverb's volumn knob going to 11. Eleven is more than 10 so it's better.
 
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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 10:05:22 (permalink)
Vinyl is making a comeback because of the cover.  Some albums have four sides to read and reading is the biggest reason for the comeback.  The people with the most disposable money are us baby boomers.  As we get older our eye site gets poorer and we can no longer read the print on the CD paper pamphlets!  Bigger covers equal bigger fonts!

The reason people say the vinyl sounds better is because the music was better.
 
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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 11:34:58 (permalink)
I still have a set of 45 RPM vinyls that my Day bought in 1949 or so. Altogether there were about 30 platters.   Roy Rogers' Lore of the West (with Gabby Hayes) was my favorite at the time.  If you are interested ... have a listen!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50WLgVYlCYw

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 22:17:02 (permalink)
the Dj vinyl culture kept music and the industry alive..RIParadise Bobby Womack..

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 22:34:10 (permalink)
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 Unlike CDs which only have one side vinyl records have two. And two is more than one...more is better. It is akin to my 56 Fender Twin Reverb's volumn knob going to 11. Eleven is more than 10 so it's better.

Your logic is Rock solid! I love it!  It's the same logic that suggests  because it is a "56" Fender  the volume must therefore go to 11 since 5 plus 6 equals 11! Ya just can't argue that  ... right? 

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 22:41:23 (permalink)
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I Loathe cds... In the uk we had a show called "Tomorrows World" which ran a feature on CD's...Apparently you could spread Jam on them and they would still play, they were indestructible...
 
What a crock of brown stuff. CD's scratch easier than a scratch and sniff and when they are broke, man they are broke.
 
I'm really into labels like Sub Pop and Touch & Go, independent rock and theres something so magical about picking up a Sup Pop 7" on coloured vinyl...I love the smell of vinyl, the feel of vinyl and THE SOUND of vinyl.
 
I also used to run 3 Drum and Bass labels and we pressed on vinyl only, happy days....Digital came along and record sales plummeted and we had to fold the labels.

I couldnt give a rats ass about loudness wars.


I remember the marmellade stunt. Is it on YouTube? I've looked for it in the past. In the meantime I have to do with this...
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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 23:12:41 (permalink)
In fact it was mentioned here:

http://www.independent.co...hoven-fan-9155238.html

They say the jam bit was a myth but I particularly remember they did use a spread of some sort.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/28 23:58:48 (permalink)
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 Unlike CDs which only have one side vinyl records have two. And two is more than one...more is better. It is akin to my 56 Fender Twin Reverb's volumn knob going to 11. Eleven is more than 10 so it's better.

Your logic is Rock solid! I love it!  It's the same logic that suggests  because it is a "56" Fender  the volume must therefore go to 11 since 5 plus 6 equals 11! Ya just can't argue that  ... right? 




Exactly right. 
 
 


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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/29 13:41:26 (permalink)
Is it really coming back? I'm not seeing it outside of a tiny niche market which also includes DJ's.
 
I have more than 500 - 600 33's and 45's in my collection that's been built up over the years. I don't listen to them anymore, nor do I ever care to listen to them. So many compromises had to be made by mixing and mastering engineers during the days of vinyl ... compromises we would never consider making today. These range from compression choices to a drastically reduced frequency response to cutting songs (or worse, shortening songs) just so they would FIT on a side.
 
With digital most of those limitations were no longer there - and really poor "creative decisions" were used to exploit them. We can't blame the medium - we should be blaming the people using the medium. Early CD's were bright and shrill because the same EQ techniques as vinyl were being used by the engineers. Later the loudness wars became an embarrassment to the industry.  However, it's not unlike the over use of gated and cathedral reverbs in the 80's or string sections in the 70's. Every decade and era of music will have a horrible legacy it will have to live with.
 
If you like reduced frequency response, reduced dynamic range, higher noise floors, snap crackle and pop, continuing degradation on every play back and buying expensive needles every "xxx amount of hours" then go ahead and enjoy your vinyl.  The only thing I miss are the covers and liners.
 
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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/29 14:24:35 (permalink)
• Producers got frustrated because drummers wouldn't play exactly on time.  They used click tracks, and they recut songs over and over to get them right.
• Then we got drum machines, sequencers, and samplers.  Suddenly everyone was screaming that the drums didn't sound human and they started working to make them sound sloppier.
 
So, people complained about vinyl scratches, noise, limited dynamic range, fragility, instability (you couldn't shake the turntable), warping, and other things.  When CDs fixed all this, people started complaining how they didn't have all that wonderful analog warmth and magic that records had.
 
Personally, I am trying to focus on writing good songs and doing the best I can with the technology of the times.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/29 14:41:23 (permalink)
I still buy vinyl. I'm not one of those that praises it but I personally enjoy the larger format which allows for a better packaging and some interesting artwork (on occasions) I still buy various bits of old vinyl, mainly for sampling, others for listening pleasure. On the odd occasion i've ripped some to the pc, but on the whole I will download/rip from cd the vast majority of things (Usually for djing purposes or general listening).
As I said, I like the large format, being able to look at the artwork, read the inners/tracklisting/credits and such. Plus it gives people jobs and we all know that hardly anyone bothers to check out the cover art or credits/linernotes when downloading digital formats. It's fun to sometimes come across weird little messages or credits for those who you didn't know were involved in the projects.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/29 14:47:36 (permalink)
Funny to say:
my band is called The Watch (we play progressive rock).
Our last album is called Tracks From The Alps, and we released it in vinyl too...
 
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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/29 14:56:47 (permalink)
I believe there are a multitude of reasons why vinyl is on an upward trend. Certainly there is a nostalgia element involved. For some of us, it brings back fond memories, while for others just discovering vinyl, it creates new ones. But it can't all be nostalgia. If it was, we would see a resurgence of 8-tracks and disco, platform shoes and bell bottoms.
 
There is certainly something to the logic of dynamics being involved. The loudness wars made everything loud - consistently. Even the new sound leveling plugins to help fight the loudness war won't bring back dynamics - they just make everything sound equally loud. Not until mixing with dynamics in mind takes center stage again will that change (and the sooner that happens the better).
 
There has been a lot of talk about the mp3 and how bad it sounds. And compared to the original CD, it does. But I also remember "transistor" radios and AM radio stations - before the advent of FM Stereo. I used to listen to that little radio under my pillow every night (thank goodness Radio Shack had the "free battery per month club"). Just about any mp3 file, even the bad ones, still sound better than that transistor/AM radio combination.
 
I think all of this plays into the resurgence in vinyl. Certainly, when one listens to a LP, you really do listen to it. It is not just the background music. You listen because you are involved - in putting the record on the player, the tone arm, and flipping it over to hear side 2. The record player was the center of the entertainment complex in the house. I remember that our family stereo was a big thing - nice wood cabinets - that matched the rest of the furniture.
 
In the end, I think there are a lot of reasons you see vinyl making a comeback. But I think a lot of it is for the same reason that books never really died off when the ebook came along. Yes, I have plenty of books on my tablet. But when I want to read, and I mean really read, I curl up in my easy chair with a good, old fashion, paper book. I think that is why you see vinyl making a comeback. It won't take over the digital formats, but it will be there when you want to listen to good, honest, music. Like a good book, vinyl draws you in and you experience it, not just have it in the background. And you listen because it is important, you want to listen and only listen.
 
Its honest.
 

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/29 17:33:34 (permalink)
I suppose for me, it's the sound & "feel" of the audio. Plus. I liked seeing the records spin as a kid.
 
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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/29 17:50:10 (permalink)
The free battery of the month club! I so remember that. Sometimes they would have those flashlight deals as well.

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/30 08:59:08 (permalink)
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Perhaps it is because vinyl has more body to it than digital.
Or simply that when we used to buy a record and take it home and listen to it, thats is what you did.
It was an experience and enjoyable one.
It is one that is lost now digital and the loudness war those listening to mp3s are multitasking.
 



Vinyl had limits to its bass response because too much bass would cause the needle to jump, so vinyl actually has less "body", imo.  But I agree on the listening experience.  There was something satisfying about taking a record out of its jacket, putting it on the turntable and setting the arm.  And then you had to flip it over.
 
I think albums had to be better composed to entice you to play side two.  Today with digital and instant gratification, you just jump to tracks you like so the organizational concept of "album" is no longer as important. 

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Re: Why Are Vinyl Records Making a Comeback 2014/06/30 08:59:18 (permalink)
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