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Rain


Even in the piano roll, CCs are displayed as an envelope (unlike in Sonar).

Ah! Now you've got my attention... ;) Interesting. I'd like to see a screenshot.... or maybe I should simply download the demo. (Don't know how big it is...?)

Rain Beat me to it, and he is correct.


Download for x64 is 50 meg.



Garry

Thanks, Rain! I think I'll have to check out that demo...

Has anyone got the link for the demo...Im surprised that there is a demo out already...im gobsmacked!

I'm in the middle of downloading my Studio One V2 upgrade.  If it is still as stable as version 1 has been...and if all the new features work as advertised...I'm afraid I'm going to have a serious decision to make.

Rain


Don't know if it would work, but the upgrade from Artist to Pro 1 is still listed at $99 over at AudioMidi.

http://www.audiomidi.com/...One-Artist-P12571.aspx 

From there, the upgrade from Pro 1 to Pro 2 would be another $99.

That's $200 and you're set. Might be worth a try...

After demoing it all day I ended up getting it. $199.99 for Pro1 full / $99.00 for the upgrade.
I'm really enjoying using this, it's like when I first started with Cakewalk years ago. Tracking while learning, runs so smoothly. Finally gapless audio! no clicks or dropouts doing simple functions makes playing gtr & writing fun again.

Not all the bells & whistles of X1 but no so overly bloated either.
Nice that I can load DimPro & Rapture in it too.

Studio One V2 has some great stuff but, for me, it's sorely lacking
in MIDI and in support for my hardware sound modules:
 
- No Instrument Definitions.  This causes all sorts of headaches:
 
  - If you want to change a patch, it's back to the Stone Age (open hardware
    manual, find patch's bank and program numbers, convert to MSB LSB format,
    enter those two).  Unbelievable, and a real showstopper for me.
  - No patch browser
  - No seeing patch name on track
  - No pan slider
 
- No MIDI event list
- No sysex
 
I knew it was trouble when their manual has a section: "3.4  Look Mom, No MIDI!"
and contains stuff such as:
 
   The Musical Instrument Digital Interface (MIDI) specification was created in
   1983. While it has served musicians well for more than 25 years, it has
   limitations. Ironically, while the MIDI-device integration in Studio One
   provides revolutionary flexibility and ease of use, much of this
   functionality is made possible by not using MIDI internally.
 
I love the parts about "revolutionary flexibility" and "ease of use"!
 
- Tom

good point Tom. I didn't get that far yet.
Instrument defs are a necessity for me.
It's hard to even know what you (anyone) wants/needs in a DAW.

Studio One V2 has some great stuff but, for me, it's sorely lacking in MIDI and in support for my hardware sound modules:

Yes, thanks for that information, Tom. That's the sort of thing you don't discover until you get into it a ways. And just imagine if you'd spent $200 in order to find that stuff out, you'd probably be a little miffed.

These aren't trivial nitpicks, either. At least, not for anyone who uses hardware synths, which I do.

And what is up with the implication that MIDI is somehow obsolete technology and therefore unimportant?

bitflipper

Yes, thanks for that information, Tom. That's the sort of thing you don't discover until you get into it a ways.
 

Actually it was one of the first things I ran into.  I just wanted to change a patch on my (old) Proteus.
 
I've looked at various Presonus forums, and I do see this mentioned several times, along with a Feature Request to implement it.  So I'm kind of surprised that more people here haven't mentioned it ... except that maybe most folks these days don't use hardware synths.
 
I even wrote to Presonus about lack of Instrument Definitions, just to be sure that I wasn't overlooking something.  But they closed the request and never responded, which implies to me that it is true (and also that their support is not too friendly).
 
I'm still on 8.5.3, but I'm still surprised on how robust it is, compared to some of the popular competitors (e.g. Reaper, Studio One) at least in terms of MIDI.
 
- Tom

tparker24


Studio One V2 has some great stuff but, for me, it's sorely lacking
in MIDI and in support for my hardware sound modules:
 
- No Instrument Definitions.  This causes all sorts of headaches:
 
  - If you want to change a patch, it's back to the Stone Age (open hardware
    manual, find patch's bank and program numbers, convert to MSB LSB format,
    enter those two).  Unbelievable, and a real showstopper for me.
  - No patch browser
  - No seeing patch name on track
  - No pan slider
 
- No MIDI event list
- No sysex
 
I knew it was trouble when their manual has a section: "3.4  Look Mom, No MIDI!"
and contains stuff such as:
 
   The Musical Instrument Digital Interface (MIDI) specification was created in
   1983. While it has served musicians well for more than 25 years, it has
   limitations. Ironically, while the MIDI-device integration in Studio One
   provides revolutionary flexibility and ease of use, much of this
   functionality is made possible by not using MIDI internally.
 
I love the parts about "revolutionary flexibility" and "ease of use"!
 
- Tom

This is important and it relates to how the likes of Cubase and Sonar developed out of being sequencers at a time when Midi was a standard and moved into the realms of being DAWs.

I don't think we'll ever see a new DAW having the same Midi capabilities as the more venerable old products and even Sonar's midi got 'dumbed down' to some extent in X1 according to many of the most ardent midi manglers among us.

This has been a mixed blessing as the true DAW capabilities of Studio One and Reaper are undeniably at phenomenal stage in relatively short lifespans and in some ways this progress has been unencumbered by the need to be fully fledged midi sequencers.

This has been partly due to the lesser need of complying to a standard format to accomodate different hardware as controllers and softsynth functions are infinitely re-assignable and don't need to be compliant with a standard.  Reason for example has NEVER entertained the concept of Midi channels in the way they are described in any standard.

So whilst the likes of Studio One may very well have already surpassed the old order in terms of being a bona fide Digital Audio Workstation it is unlikely to ever approach what many of us have come to expect from a full blown midi sequencer.

For that reason I can't see me ever doing without Sonar in some shape or form, but some of the duties I used to expect it to perform have been surpassed by more efficient functionality in other apps. as this is where for me Sonar is falling way behind at breathtaking speed.

For example Reason which I've used for years just as I'd have used a VSTi via rewire now handles all my audio tracking and comping duties and does it better than Sonar since of Reason 6. Now, with the advent of S1 v2 I can benefit from better automation and avoid the minefield that Track layers in Sonar has always been, I don't have to wait some indeterminate period for 64 bit Rewire and I can run VST3's today for example.

I personally think Sonar has now been trounced in every other department other than it's general midi capabilities which haven't essentially been improved upon since 8.5.  I can't see a time where I'll ever not be equipped with Sonar in my armoury but it may just be the version I bought a couple of years ago is the end of the line for me.

It would cost me as a loyal Cakewalk customer well over £140 to get X1 Expanded and I'd gain precisely zilch in added functionality, or I could spend £80 to get even the lowly but still finely featured S1 V2 Producer version and I get a kicking and screaming 21st Century bona fide DAW and I still get to keep Sonar 8.5.3 for my double precision mix-downs and for the old fashioned General Midi setup.

Rain

I found this animated gif on the S1 forum:






Now that's what I meant when I asked for Illustrator-like controls in another topic!!!


I also noticed S1 has en easy to use History list of everything you did and it even can remember which knobs you turned or whatever on various effects etc. I don't know if this mean that you can really undo changes on plugins...? That would be awesome because I always hated the fact that Sonar can't undo things you do in plugins.


Anyway, I am going to download the demo, that's for sure!!! (I don't use hardware synths at all, so that's no problem for me).


Er... wasn't there a crossgrade option somewhere? if so, what was that link again?

P.S. Do Sonar plugins work in S1 btw...?

BTW LOL On the Presonus forum I read some posts from people who hate the new S1 2.0 GUI... Ah, it's the same everywhere, so it seems... LOL No matter what DAW you choose, things will change over time and you never can please everyboy.

Hi,

The cross grade is $299 (near the bottom of the page):

http://studioone.presonus.com/shop/

You might find a slightly better deal from Sweetwater, MF, or GC, AudioMIDI - have not checked yet...

gs

Just a little tidbit i noticed in S1. Seems you can't see/edit individual velocities within a chord. It's all one relative velocity.

Do you mean this timidi ?





Garry

LOL. well, yea, I see those. How about a quantized chord?

ok, i'll re-look.