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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/09 20:22:25
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Anderton
...What I don't like about the PC is that the EQ graph doesn't "stick" to how you set it. I don't like how it auto-ranges, I just want it to sit at 12dB and stay there whenever I open up the program. I'll have to ask Cakewalk if there's some way to do that.
I think one reason some people instantly like the "sound" of the PC EQ is that it is really easy, as you mention, to loose track of the grid scale and you may easily place huge boosts and cuts which are readily apparent while listening. You just seem to get "more" EQ when you can easily crank the levels without any clear and consistent visual reference that might serve as a friendly reminder that you probably should find out why you need to do so much fixing. best regards, mike
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/10 04:23:42
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Anderton
What I don't like about the PC is that the EQ graph doesn't "stick" to how you set it. I don't like how it auto-ranges, I just want it to sit at 12dB and stay there whenever I open up the program. I'll have to ask Cakewalk if there's some way to do that.
You're saying if you set the Plot Resolution to 12dB it doesn't stay that way? I just tried it and it seems to stay that way in my projects. Dan
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/10 04:30:11
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PC eq sounds good but is clumsy to tweak. They should make the eq box expandable and provide gliss eq type input abilities.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/10 06:59:46
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backwoods
They should make the eq box expandable
+1 On the other hand, I know it's stupid but I find I use my ears more when using the PC EQ as opposed to the Sonitus where I can instantly "see" the band freq. Sven
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/10 07:38:02
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"You just seem to get "more" EQ" with the Pro Channel.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/10 11:59:39
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I found it! Finally! Whew...could stand an update or two though... *scratches head*
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/10 15:49:49
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Ok McQ, now you're quoting yourself to keep this thread alive. Foul!
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/11 13:58:29
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Zuma
I found it! Finally! Whew...could stand an update or two though... *scratches head*
What did you find? :)
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 04:58:12
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backwoods
PC eq sounds good but is clumsy to tweak. They should make the eq box expandable and provide gliss eq type input abilities.
I'd go one stage further - double clicking the grid would open up a new, enlarged window with full db, q & gain captions everywhere so you can SEE what you're doing as well as hear it.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 05:15:53
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That would be a good addition, yeah. Also, persistently visible numerical values next to the gain and frequency knobs.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 07:09:30
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 07:22:27
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John T
That would be a good addition, yeah. Also, persistently visible numerical values next to the gain and frequency knobs.
Funny. I mentioned this back in April, and I was immediately told that I should use my ears....which was brilliant advice - because I'd never thought of that. While they're at it, they could put some info on the grid as well.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 08:36:47
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Yes, and the person whom admonished us to use our ears now reports that he spent an afternoon tweaking his favorite new EQ... He was loving the sound but then he found out he wasn't on the working on the track he thought he was on.
I admire his honesty about the circumstance... although I never got an apology for the insults.
Heck at least I know what track I am working on.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 09:26:18
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What??? Really? Show me that thread....that's awesome.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 09:35:06
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 09:39:48
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ampfixer
Ok McQ, now you're quoting yourself to keep this thread alive. Foul!
If He paid me to keep the thread alive would that make me a bad person?
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 10:41:40
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No.
But it would make you a rich person.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/07/12 10:55:28
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Really, what are the hours?
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/09 19:15:31
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Anderton
What I don't like about the PC is that the EQ graph doesn't "stick" to how you set it. I don't like how it auto-ranges, I just want it to sit at 12dB and stay there whenever I open up the program. I'll have to ask Cakewalk if there's some way to do that.
Sorry to revive an old thread but when I first read this I thought that's strange mine is on -12dB permanently but couldn't remember how I got it like that. Anyway I've just rediscovered it It's in the options tucked away in the inspector and you can set the resolution to -6, -12, -18, or the default is auto. It's tucked away in the Display->Module Options->EQ & Plot at the bottom of the inspector.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/09 20:21:09
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Hey FBB...you just schooled Craig Anderton. Way to go! And I bet he thanks you personally...he's a great fellow. As do I. Thanks, ol pal.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/09 21:33:14
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Yes, that's a great tip.
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mike
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/10 00:32:16
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mike_mccue
Yes, that's a great tip.
That's what she ... aw ... never mind.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/10 00:35:27
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Bub
mike_mccue
Yes, that's a great tip.
That's what she ... aw ... never mind.
Michael Scott would be proud! SP
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/10 00:49:51
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk]
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mike_mccue
Yes, that's a great tip.
That's what she ... aw ... never mind.
Michael Scott would be proud!
SP
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/10 04:05:20
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Lost in translation.
Who the hell's Michael Scott?
Great tip FBB - I'll have to check that one out.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/10 04:25:02
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Ive had no issues with PC. IMHO it is like any other tool . It works good for some things and not as well for others. All plug ins are like this too. In fact even with hardware we choose 1 pre or compressor over another for a different sound on a different track or project. I would suggest with no malice intended If one does not know if it is on or off especially if they set portions of it, they should notice the results of the changes not working with their ears. Just IMHO
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/10 05:22:10
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FastBikerBoy
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What I don't like about the PC is that the EQ graph doesn't "stick" to how you set it. I don't like how it auto-ranges, I just want it to sit at 12dB and stay there whenever I open up the program. I'll have to ask Cakewalk if there's some way to do that.
Sorry to revive an old thread but when I first read this I thought that's strange mine is on -12dB permanently but couldn't remember how I got it like that.
Anyway I've just rediscovered it It's in the options tucked away in the inspector and you can set the resolution to -6, -12, -18, or the default is auto. It's tucked away in the Display->Module Options->EQ & Plot at the bottom of the inspector.
True, you're right. But what I was kinda hoping for was a setting that would remain when you opened a new project instead of having to set it each time. But, then I thought about what you said, so I set the plot to 12dB and saved that as my normal template file. Problem solved...thanks!
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/10 08:28:14
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No worries. I've picked up loads of tips from you so it's nice to return the favour if only a small one.  I'd changed that ages ago, along with the other 'daft' default - custom widgets and saved it in my normal template. When I first read your comment I'd forgotten how I'd done it until I was changing some meter settings yesterday and then had a 'Oh yeah' moment.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/10 08:30:19
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Matter of taste, the auto plot resolution, I reckon. I like it set to auto for general use, and change it to fixed for specific tasks. I don't think either makes a "Better" default.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus?
2011/08/10 09:22:46
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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As for your question about has anyone else seen the PC turn off/on ... yes. Here's a thread with some others confirming it.
I read that thread (and looked again just now) and couldn't find anyone else that said the ProChannel randomly turns on. I saw some say that previously enabled PC's were unresponsive, but not that it turns itself on.
For me ProChannel doesn't always remember it's on or off state. It's unpredictable. i can go to another track and come back to an a previously enabled PC and its off. I can open a project where I use dseveral PC's and were all on when saved and are all off when reopened or vice versa. BTW the easiest way I found to disable PC completely is to remove the path from the VST Plugin manager then you can just ignore anything it does being confident that it's not effecting anything despite what it's GUI may be doing.
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