Bub

mike_mccue

The Pro Channel is on a bus. Its very own bus.

All I am pointing out is that I ought to be able to delete stuff off that bus.

That way... if you really like using ProChannel on that bus... do it!!!!!! and enjoy!!!!!!

And, if you don't want ProChannel on that bus... delete it.

It's like getting a free bus that is already there.

Remember a few versions back when the other hidden bus suddenly added gain to your track?

That is not the bus I'm speaking of... I am speaking of the bus that ProChannel is on.

If you are using ProChannel, you are already using that bus.

I think I am too...

very best,
mike

Yesterday Brandon suggested I could try to delete the .dll's for the Pro Channel.

I found 4 .dll's. A bus, comp, eq, and sat .dll all in the 'C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities\Internal' folder. I didn't delete them, but I made a backup folder and moved them.

I started a new project 44.1/32, so far 4 full length audio tracks (iow not 10 second clips), and Session Drummer 3. I haven't had a single glitch except for the tool bar disappearing, which is a pita, but is easily fixed by min/max X1.

The whole bus thing didn't make sense to me until I saw there is a PCS-BusCM.dll. I would think there would have to be a separate bus every time one of the modules of the PC is used. If it was on a single bus, it would just be an FX send and effect all the tracks. So if I'm thinking correctly on this, there is potentially 3 virtual buses per track being created if you use the PC Comp/EQ/Sat. They would have to do it this way rather than tie it to the FX Bin because if you would bypass the FX Bin the PC would also be bypassed.

Another thing I noticed, when I moved the .dll's, the PC graphics still showed up and I could adjust all the knobs and turn all the modules on and off. I would get an error saying the VST didn't load, but appearance wise, everything was still working normally. Which means that the interface and graphics are not part of the .dll's. Therefor the PC modules turning on/off by themselves could have nothing to do with the actual VST .dll's for it. Also, I should get a pop up with an error now when they turn on/off by themselves.

For those of you having troubles with the PC ... it can be disabled but in a roundabout way. Just go to 'C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities\Internal' and make another sub folder and move the 4 PC .dll's there.

Hope this helps.

Bub

uhhhhhhhh.

If you put your mouse over PCS-BusCM.dll the Windows tool tip says "PC4K Bus Compressor Dynamic Link Library".

What was that specific module designed after? Oh, yeah! The SSL 4000 series bus compressor....

That really isn't any indicator or proof of your guys magical hidden buses.

BEATZM1D10T

Bub

mike_mccue

The Pro Channel is on a bus. Its very own bus.

All I am pointing out is that I ought to be able to delete stuff off that bus.

That way... if you really like using ProChannel on that bus... do it!!!!!! and enjoy!!!!!!

And, if you don't want ProChannel on that bus... delete it.

It's like getting a free bus that is already there.

Remember a few versions back when the other hidden bus suddenly added gain to your track?

That is not the bus I'm speaking of... I am speaking of the bus that ProChannel is on.

If you are using ProChannel, you are already using that bus.

I think I am too...

very best,
mike

Yesterday Brandon suggested I could try to delete the .dll's for the Pro Channel.

I found 4 .dll's. A bus, comp, eq, and sat .dll all in the 'C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities\Internal' folder. I didn't delete them, but I made a backup folder and moved them.

I started a new project 44.1/32, so far 4 full length audio tracks (iow not 10 second clips), and Session Drummer 3. I haven't had a single glitch except for the tool bar disappearing, which is a pita, but is easily fixed by min/max X1.

The whole bus thing didn't make sense to me until I saw there is a PCS-BusCM.dll. I would think there would have to be a separate bus every time one of the modules of the PC is used. If it was on a single bus, it would just be an FX send and effect all the tracks. So if I'm thinking correctly on this, there is potentially 3 virtual buses per track being created if you use the PC Comp/EQ/Sat. They would have to do it this way rather than tie it to the FX Bin because if you would bypass the FX Bin the PC would also be bypassed.

Another thing I noticed, when I moved the .dll's, the PC graphics still showed up and I could adjust all the knobs and turn all the modules on and off. I would get an error saying the VST didn't load, but appearance wise, everything was still working normally. Which means that the interface and graphics are not part of the .dll's. Therefor the PC modules turning on/off by themselves could have nothing to do with the actual VST .dll's for it. Also, I should get a pop up with an error now when they turn on/off by themselves.

For those of you having troubles with the PC ... it can be disabled but in a roundabout way. Just go to 'C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities\Internal' and make another sub folder and move the 4 PC .dll's there.

Hope this helps.

Bub

uhhhhhhhh.

If you put your mouse over PCS-BusCM.dll the Windows tool tip says "PC4K Bus Compressor Dynamic Link Library".

What was that specific module designed after? Oh, yeah! The SSL 4000 series bus compressor....

That really isn't any indicator or proof of your guys magical hidden buses.

Excellent find!

Now if you would only put that much effort in to trying to help your fellow forum members rather than being a wisenhimer. I've been spending a lot of time trying to come up with a temporary fix for this crap with no help from Cakewalk ...

And it doesn't remove the fact that there are hidden buses. If you spent as much time looking for that answer as you do being a smartass, you'd know the answer already.

Thanks!

Bub

FWIW - i spent quite a bit over the last couple nights trying to get a ProChannel to come on by itself and couldn't make it happen. I tried staring at it, ignoring it...nothing.

Not saying it doesn't happen but I can't get it to happen. I know it is still being investigated.

Is anyone other than Bub having this "turning on at random" problem"?

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]

         No help?

My apologies. I was caught up in the moment. Doing 10 things at once. :)

FWIW - i spent quite a bit over the last couple nights trying to get a ProChannel to come on by itself and couldn't make it happen. I tried staring at it, ignoring it...nothing.

Not saying it doesn't happen but I can't get it to happen. I know it is still being investigated.

Is anyone other than Bub having this "turning on at random" problem"?

Thanks for spending the time on it Brandon.

Can you please clarify this question that keeps coming up about the hidden bus. If I'm mistaken about what I thought I read I'll certainly apologize for spreading misinformation.

Thanks,

Bub

Thanks Brandon,

If you are curious, You might ask Noel why he has explained it that way.

:-)

best regards,
mike

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

Bub


Can you please clarify this question that keeps coming up about the hidden bus. If I'm mistaken about what I thought I read I'll certainly apologize for spreading misinformation.

Thanks,

Bub

I know of no hidden buses in SONAR related to the ProChannel (or otherwise). The ProChannel is an effects section built in to every channel.

There you have it kiddies. I was wrong. My apologies to everyone who's feathers were ruffled. I would have bet the farm I read that it was in a past thread here ... but I must be mistaken.

As for your question about has anyone else seen the PC turn off/on ... yes. Here's a thread with some others confirming it.

Bub

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

Bub


Can you please clarify this question that keeps coming up about the hidden bus. If I'm mistaken about what I thought I read I'll certainly apologize for spreading misinformation.

Thanks,

Bub

I know of no hidden buses in SONAR related to the ProChannel (or otherwise). The ProChannel is an effects section built in to every channel.

There you have it kiddies. I was wrong. My apologies to everyone who's feathers were ruffled. I would have bet the farm I read that it was in a past thread here ... but I must be mistaken.

As for your question about has anyone else seen the PC turn off/on ... yes. Here's a thread with some others confirming it.

Not necessarily. It very well could be a bus as Mike says that Noel said it was. I've just never heard it referred to in that way all through the development of the feature and I have no reason to believe that's what it is. But I also know what a sort-of mundane thing a bus is in SONAR. It's just a destination for multiple streams of audio - nothing magical or sinister.

(Maybe a reference to the quote form Noel would help?)

http://forum.cakewalk.com...mpage=1&print=true

Noel B says:

"In fact in SONAR's mix engine, internally everything routes through a bus, including output from track's and synths, although these buses are not user visible."



I think the preoccupation with where I get the notion of the term "bus" is nothing but a distraction from the primary topic.

What's so bad about ending up with 2 efx bins?

And why can't Cakewalk help develop a consortium for a unified hardware controller layout for a channel strip so that many VSTs could be "quick mapped" (a term I just made up) It would be nifty... almost like that TDM stuff UAD just announced.


all the best,
mike


  

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

Bub



As for your question about has anyone else seen the PC turn off/on ... yes. Here's a thread with some others confirming it.

I read that thread (and looked again just now) and couldn't find anyone else that said the ProChannel randomly turns on. I saw some say that previously enabled PC's were unresponsive, but not that it turns itself on.

I never went beyond the first 2 hotfixes... I get all of BUb's symptoms... and I filed a report right off the bat.

I believe that I may have even gotten an acknowledgement of confirmation and a optimistic prognosis... but as you recall the stuff was being discovered so fast and furious that I really don't recall which when where with all the bugs.


Good Luck.


best regards,
mike

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

mike_mccue


http://forum.cakewalk.com...mpage=1&print=true

Noel B says:

"In fact in SONAR's mix engine, internally everything routes through a bus, including output from track's and synths, although these buses are not user visible."



I think the preoccupation with where I get the notion of the term "bus" is nothing but a distraction from the primary topic.

What's so bad about ending up with 2 efx bins?

And why can't Cakewalk help develop a consortium for a unified hardware controller layout for a channel strip so that many VSTs could be "quick mapped" (a term I just made up) It would be nifty... almost like that TDM stuff UAD just announced.


all the best,
mike

Yes right I agree. This is what I referring to. Buses are used in very mundane and not what we would think of as traditional busing in SONAR. And yes I totally agree that it is beside the point and doesn't really speak to or relate to the actual subject so much.

I'm all for the unified hardware controller layout and "quick mapping".

Well, 2 years ago one of those behind the scense busses was spiking our gain levels... and we couldn't get at it. :-)

Have, I mentioned that you are "the best" lately?

Brandon, you're the best!!!

Thanks for putting up with me.


best regards,
mike

Your Welcome Bub,

I was hoping to postpone the expected insults from BeatzM1D10T for as long as I could.


best regards,
mike

mike_mccue


Your Welcome Bub,

I was hoping to postpone the expected insults from BeatzM1D10T for as long as I could.


best regards,
mike

Much of this board is just silly conjecture with no real evidence or reason. I am sorry when I call a spade a spade. I will admit to bringing a healthy sarcasm to the discussion but, last I checked, I was the one called a 'smartass' and 'wisenhimer'. I don't think you could ever find a direct insult from me.

I'm truly flattered that you're thinking of me though.

X1's been smokin' along all day since disabling PC

 
Good to see you're moving along with X1 despite how you got there.   X1 is pretty nice when it's working as expected, huh?
 
 

Good points, if the guys are making the tweaks in that file then it seems like that's where the graphics will be.

best regards,
mike

I should also mention that two of my favorite PC applications are phase shifter and wah emulation. It took a little head-scratching, but I figured out how to nail a vintage E-H Polyphase sound. I have the original, and sometimes used it as a hardware insert, but not being able to do stereo was a hassle.

For the wah you have to give up two channels to implment a single guitar track, but it's worth it. I have a Vox Crybaby here, circa late 60s, which I used as my reality test. Again, being able to get that sound in stereo is really cool.

What I don't like about the PC is that the EQ graph doesn't "stick" to how you set it. I don't like how it auto-ranges, I just want it to sit at 12dB and stay there whenever I open up the program. I'll have to ask Cakewalk if there's some way to do that.