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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/01 23:52:52 (permalink)
Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]

You can't use the ProChannel? It's weird, because I use it all the time.
The problem is, it's unreliable with the turning on and off by itself. Yeah, it's usable ... but.

I know I'm a bit of a complainer, but there's other well respected people on this forum who are reporting it too so it's not just somethin' wrong with ol' Bub's wacky computer again.

You gave us a hint about something getting fixed in the 'C' patch the other day ... can you give us a hint about the Pro Channel being fixed? Might as well get it over with sooner than later if you know what I mean.




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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/01 23:54:48 (permalink)
I have the same issue as bub but I do love the pro channel when it works and am glad it's on every channel and not inserted like a vst

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 00:44:02 (permalink)
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The Matrix can no doubt benefit from improvements and this is something personally near and dear to my own heart. It will most certainly see focus in the future as we consider this an important and ongoing part of SONAR's creative toolset. My hope is that at least some of that disappointment you'vce felt will eventually be eased and replaced with functionality you desire.

That is very good to hear, I hope the potential of the matrix can be realized. Here is a very good forum thread where a few of us cover what we like and don't like about it.
http://forum.cakewalk.com...41&mpage=1#2121628
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 06:12:54 (permalink)
It's sort of a good case in point, the Matrix. I've never used the matrix, and don't think I ever will. But I wasn't upset when it was created. Certainly didn't make multiple threads to complain about its inclusion.

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 09:37:07 (permalink)
I love Pro Channel.  I think it makes sense to have the EQ as part of the channel.  Having a compressor for every channel is a luxury, but as a big 1176 fan, I like this feature.  One could argue that the tube saturation is more of a special case plug-in, but it doesn't hurt having it there.  I don't use that much, but know several people who couldn't live without it.

Maybe i shouldn't say this, but I don't object to a little eye candy on something I look at many hours a day.  And people who work with a lot of external clients would complain if the interface looked cheap or amateurish.

To each his own, but that's how I feel.  Sorry you're having trouble with it.  I've been lucky so far.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 10:05:12 (permalink)
The switching itself off bug certainly does need fixing.

In the interests of trying to work out a cause - I've had this happen to me twice only, both times on projects that were started in 8.5. Never seen it in projects that were X1 fro the start.

Has anyone had it happen in X1-only projects?

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 10:21:13 (permalink)
Has anyone had it happen in X1-only projects?

 
Certainly have at least two may be three

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 11:13:20 (permalink)
Apart from fixing bugs, which is a given, IMO:

If PC wasn't fixed as one entity hosting 3 plugins and would come up as a choice in the FX bins it would be much more versatile. People could decide to have PC's compressor first in the FX chain, then any plugin of their choice, then the PC EQ for example.
My feeling is that the current implementation restricts unnecessarily and I can't really find any benefits which would make those restrictions necessary.
Ok, I don't have problems with finding other plugins to realize those chains anyway, but why? - If I feel the PC processors would be the right tool at multiple places in my FX chain, why can't I just use them?
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 12:07:50 (permalink)
I have had it in my projects that were started in X1

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 12:25:39 (permalink)
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The switching itself off bug certainly does need fixing.

Has anyone had it happen in X1-only projects?
Yep. The first project I started in X1 became so corrupted I had to scrap it.


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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 14:01:46 (permalink)
i think it was a great idea.. but i have to agree with McMike on this one ..it has been engaging itself and it did not dawn on me until take 200 of my bass track ..its loud and warm in the room.. but the track is compressed and wont go over a set threshold.. its pretty serious cause its conflicting with my outboard preamp... i almost sent it in to get serviced.. i just happen to go into ProChannel and it was engaged.. its killing my Fender tone.. and thats the greatest no, no,..prochannel should only be a effect option..
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 14:45:46 (permalink)
I love the Pro Channel! It was the driving reason for upgrading to X1. Please leave my Pro Channel alone! If you don't like it, please use the on off switch.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 15:15:26 (permalink)
I love the Pro Channel! It was the driving reason for upgrading to X1. Please leave my Pro Channel alone! If you don't like it, please use the on off switch.




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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 15:30:09 (permalink)
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I love the Pro Channel! It was the driving reason for upgrading to X1. Please leave my Pro Channel alone! If you don't like it, please use the on off switch.


So don't fix bugs in PC?
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 15:32:43 (permalink)
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If PC wasn't fixed as one entity hosting 3 plugins and would come up as a choice in the FX bins it would be much more versatile. People could decide to have PC's compressor first in the FX chain, then any plugin of their choice, then the PC EQ for example.
My feeling is that the current implementation restricts unnecessarily and I can't really find any benefits which would make those restrictions necessary.
Exactly. And if it were VST you could use it in your other VST hosts. I have two.


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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 15:32:45 (permalink)
Yeah, that's exactly what he meant, of course. Jeez.

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 15:36:30 (permalink)
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It's sort of a good case in point, the Matrix. I've never used the matrix, and don't think I ever will. But I wasn't upset when it was created. Certainly didn't make multiple threads to complain about its inclusion.

So if X2 has all features you don't want and none that you do, you won't be disappointed?

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 15:44:05 (permalink)
Of course, but that's a bit counter-factual, isn't it? What's happened with this program, through around 20 years worth of incarnations is that with each update, some stuff gets added, some stuff gets improved, and only very, very rarely is something actually removed or deprecated.

So yeah, if X2 turned out to be a word processor, that would kind of be a weird one. But since there is basically zero chance of it having "all features you don't want and none that you do", then it's just silly internet forum pedantry to detain ourselves with such daft questions.

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 15:45:53 (permalink)
Like when Cakewalk took away the wave editor? Poof! Gone!


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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 15:55:45 (permalink)
Yes, well done. Exactly like that - as I said - very rare example. When was that? About twelve, thirteen years ago?



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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 16:00:43 (permalink)
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If PC wasn't fixed as one entity hosting 3 plugins and would come up as a choice in the FX bins it would be much more versatile. People could decide to have PC's compressor first in the FX chain, then any plugin of their choice, then the PC EQ for example.
My feeling is that the current implementation restricts unnecessarily and I can't really find any benefits which would make those restrictions necessary.
Exactly. And if it were VST you could use it in your other VST hosts. I have two.
John T
Yeah, that's exactly what he meant, of course. Jeez.

If you mean me by "he", nope that's of course not what I meant, jeez.
PC could stay exclusive to Sonar and nevertheless be available in Sonar's FX bins just like any other plugin. With all the advantages, like use 2 instances of the compressor on the same track and whatnot else is now only possible with routing tricks if at all.


EDIT: ahh, sorry I understand you replied to vintagevibe, John. All's well :).
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 16:01:32 (permalink)
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Yeah, that's exactly what he meant, of course. Jeez.


He said don't change it in a post that was talking only about a bug.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 16:09:38 (permalink)
Come on, you know that wasn't what he meant.

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 16:11:28 (permalink)
He said don't change it in a post that was talking only about a bug. 


the topic of this thread is about making pro channel a vst and not default on every channel.  we all can agree we want the bugs fixed but there are plenty of us who prefer pro channel on each channel. I have plenty of eqs and comps i can insert as vst.  to me the power of the pro channel is the quick access.  if it was a vst I probably wouldn't use it as much

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 16:13:03 (permalink)
The function and sound of PC wouldn't change a bit if it were handled as a plugin. It could even stay integrated as it is now (but fixed) and still be accessible as another instance from the FX bins. Nobody would lose anything, just win.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 16:25:45 (permalink)
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Come on, you know that wasn't what he meant.


No I don't think that's what he meant.  I think he was indiscriminately ****ing without understanding the thread.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 16:28:36 (permalink)
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I love the Pro Channel! It was the driving reason for upgrading to X1. Please leave my Pro Channel alone! If you don't like it, please use the on off switch.


So don't fix bugs in PC?


Haven't you noticed some people don't notice bugs? 

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 17:04:10 (permalink)
My niggles about the Pro Channel are far outweighed by its greatness and ease of use. Like the VX-64, I used it thinking it's good for quick settings and I'd eventually replace it with a heftier fx-chain later on. But, the more I use it the more I tend to keep it in come mix-down time. It's great.

But, the aforementioned niggles: small EQ plot, and the "parallel compression" knob doesn't allow you to send that stream anywhere else for further processing.

I've never experienced it turning itself on or off without my say so.

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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 17:06:14 (permalink)
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Haven't you noticed some people don't notice bugs? 


Bugs don't exist unless you have them.
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Re:Why was it so important to shove Pro Channel into it's own hidden bus? 2011/07/02 18:18:53 (permalink)
is anybody getting it.. that ProChannel could be on ..and you not know it... Jeeezzz.. you could be trying to correct somthing thats not user error..PEOPLE.... thats major..

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