John T


Man, I was using that X1 the other day, trying to record some guitars. Suddenly there was a bright light, and I don't really know what happened, but when I came to, I was wearing big baggy shorts, and I'd made a hip-hop track entirely in the Matrix view. I couldn't stop myself.

Been there.
Done that.
Got the T-Shirt.
 

mike_mccue


I know bapu two

maybe this is what you meant?

I want a T-shirt of Bapu's current profile pic. But maybe with the colours dialled up a bit. 

Just so I'm fully understanding the situation here...Are we saying that a) The PC just turns itself on (or off) on any random track in any random project?  And that this happens to lots of folks, frequently?  And, b)  That there are folks who are annoyed (even incensed) about this as well as folks who could give a rats ass?   But that, c)  You can easily tell if it's on or off by looking at a glowing light in the Console (or Track?) View?  Even tho, d) if you turned it back on (or off) it might just change it's state again at any moment?  Plus, tangentiallly, e) That wouldn't it be better (or worse) as a seperate VST?  So that, f) anyone in their right mind is hoping to form a consensus view?? 
 
Is that about it?  Or have I missed something?
 
 
 
 
 
PS:  Could someone tell me how I switched my post thingy into overwrite instead of insert?  And how I can switch it back?
 

You could follow me on twitter...I have becan to spare.

bapu

mike_mccue


I know bapu too.

Not in the biblical sense, you should have added.

Lol! That was funny.

bapu


Billy,

Are you back to see if X1c changes color customization everything?





Welcome back my friend.

Thanks for the welcome Bapu.   It's definitely very nice to bump into some of the forumites I very much like and respect, such as yourself.

As for why I'm here for now -- I'm hoping X1C changes everything.   Oh wait, they already did that -- I mean fixes everything lol

I'm pretty sure the radius DLL is used for Sonar X1's time stretching / audio snap 2.0


+1

I like the cut of yor jib ampfixer, ol pal.  A martini it is.  Plymouth gin alright, neat with an olive...shaken not stirred??





PS:  Still waiting to get back to "overwrite" mode.  Suggestions?

There's a hidden bus? Where do I find it?

@ampfixer: I'll have you know I'm nursing a Tanqueray and tonic with a slice of lime this very moment! Bottoms up!

sykodelic

Bub 

Again, I don't see how anyone could like the fact that a proprietary VST is embedded in to their DAW? 

Even if you say 'don't use it', well you know that isn't going to happen. Eventually everyone is going to use this thing staring them in the face on every single track just to save the extra steps of loading an EQ or compressor in to the FX bin, and once you do ... you are locked in to Sonar forever. It's sales/marketing 101. 

So you are seriously telling me you find yourself incapable of not using things you don't want to use? The gorgon-like gaze of the marketing occultists at Cakewalk inevitably overcomes your will? 

What absolute rubbish. 

John t

@John T ... When you have something like that embedded right in your face you are much more likely to use it, and once you do, your project is 100% locked in to Sonar X1. I don't like that.

+1... there are a few users here that like to complain about everything.  no matter what the post is about they somehow chime in with their dislike of this or that feature.  getting pretty old.

sykodelic

@sykodelic ... It's clear that a lot of people here are ok with using broken software. I'm not one of them. When you take my money and give me something that's half working, it pisses me off and you're gonna hear about it.

If people like me didn't express their discontent you wouldn't have your Quick Fix program now, or the extended upgrade cycle.

Your welcome.

Bub, I think the fact that you and I have made our livings as maintenance technicians predisposes us to think carefully about the ramifications of design decisions and the implications for future operability.

What seems obvious to us can be easily ignored by guys that are free from a responsibility to be helpful.



Isn't it ironic... here we are, a couple of old blue (I hope you don't mind me including you in that description) collar maintenance guys, and we can make it through a whole conversation without calling people stupid, morons, and idiotic.

Isn't it ironic... the professional journalist we are debating with seems to have exhausted his lexicon... as well as his ability to understand what we have explained... he seems to habitually attempt to close conversations with one word insults.


If indeed, a whole bunch of people really think that embedding ProChannel into SONAR is a good idea than it seems like at least one person who has that opinion could take a moment and explain the benefit in way that was actually persuasive.

Here we have a thread where a dozen or more people took the time to explain why they will prefer to have Pro Channel as a free standing app.


In response we see that a few posters say they prefer it embedded but they do not provide a compelling reason for the preference.

Additionally, there seems to be a couple of posters who are preoccupied with disagreement and focus their energies on making opportunities to share insulting remarks... heck, those guys can't even begin to find a way to explain why they prefer to have PC embedded... they think that they can simply be persuasive by attempting to undermine our arguments.

I may be the OP for the thread... but it seems obvious... there are a whole bunch of other people who do not see any benefit to having a VST embedded on a proprietary hidden bus.

I think there are a lot more people who agree that Cakewalk made a mistake when it embedded ProChannel... but they aren't speaking up because Cakewalk's forum mods have demonstrated that they will allow Cakewalk fanboys to call those of us who disagree "morons", "stupid", and "idiotic" without recourse.



So I'm left wondering.... if the idea of embedding ProChannel is such a great idea
why can't someone step up to the plate and explain the reasoning in a compelling fashion?


best regards,
mike






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+1 Bub.

Hey everyone, wanna tone it down a bit?

It's the whole point of these forums to to discuss things like issues with the program is it not?
Or are these forums a place where people can only post "Sonar is great!".

Nobody is forcing you to reply to these threads.

If you disagree to a thread - then fine, disagree. If you want to comment - sure comment but try and add something to the discussion yea?

Name calling is just childish.

Why I like PC embeded in the console - by Karyn (age 46), (well, almost 47 but I'm in denial).

I cut my teeth in the '80s on analogue consoles of all shapes and sizes. While there were numerous differences between them, mostly in layout and routing options, the main thing they had in common was the definition that EQ was not an outboard effect but a built in resource available everywhere.
High end consoles would also include gating and compression in the channel strip. I thought this was fantastic. No patching in external compressors, or swearing because I wanted to use five but the studio only had 4... etc.

Now I realise this is all irrelevent in a DAW, you can run as many instances of whatever your computer is capable of running. You could put a reverb plug in the FX bin of every track, each set to the same patch and settings, but nearly everyone here would argue that you should be putting it on a bus and using a sends to feed it.
Likewise to me, the FX bin is for choruses, flangers, echos, distortion, etc.  Anything that may be unique to a channel/instrument, whereas compression/eq is a console wide resource that you put on everything independently.

When mixing there are two distinct processes going on.  Sound creation and sound balancing.
  Creation is adding external FX to the fx bin to make an instrument sound the way you want.
  Balancing is level matching the sounds of each channel, both overall and at specific frequencies, and takes place within the confines of the console.
  PC is a part of the balancing process, providing control over dynamics and frequency content just as the fader controls volume and the pan controls stereo possition and thus should be a part of the channel strip and not an external effect.

It's far easier to crack & illegally distribute a stand alone VST to an embedded version.

And mine has NEVER switched itself on or off, randomly or otherwise.

As for visibility - are you serious? If you don't want to see it, you don't have to. You don't even have to use it.