DW_Mike
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/12 17:40:37
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But if Cakewalk put out 'The Perfect DAW' so to speak. One with no issues at all, I'd still be on S6PE. That would definitely put them out of business. There would be no need to upgrade. That said. I do agree that they should at least put out one more patch for those that cant afford to upgrade every year and would like a working product. Mike
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/12 20:29:35
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I hope Im very wrong about this, but I don't think that the Bakers will put out any updates for X1 now. Its just too close to X2. This may be a bit mean and blunt, but Im not thinking Cake or any other major Host developer cares very much about those ppl that "can't" afford a $100 or so upgrade every year or so.. And I have not the funds to purchase my corvette too. Any help would be appreciated
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/12 20:47:57
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Continuing down a path of COMPLETE disregard of the professional customers WILL result in the DOWNFALL and DEMISE of CAKEWALK. Wow... After X1's release it was predicted that CW was done, finished, no more. Almost two years later and it's apparent that those predictions were simply way off. And something tells me that X2's release won't be anything like X1. A x.0 release? Yeah, more than likely, but more like a typical new version. So the statement quoted above is obviously frustration, but certainly not a sign of things to come IMHO. Assuming my prediction about X2 vs. X1 is anywhere near accurate, of course..
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/12 22:51:20
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mattplaysguitar JonD I'm confused. The consensus in this thread seems to be that there are no more X1 updates coming - and the next release from CW will be X2.... But in this thread dated Aug 01 2012: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2628970 ... Robin seems to be saying otherwise. Did I misunderstand? Was this discussed/corrected somewhere else? What am I missing? Yep, misunderstood :) He means the next update of information - not software update. More NEWS will be released at the end of August, not an update to X1. Whew, well, now that makes sense. Thanks, Matt.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/13 08:16:40
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Sonar will not make the perfect DAW or they will be out of business...hmm very true. So creating who haa on the forums by putting out a crocked Sonar is money spinning. Wow they connin us! I guess I will stick to X1 for the next ten years then!
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/13 08:27:24
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Actually, it happened once: http://www.cakewalk.com/S...kb/reader.aspx/2005283 4.0.3 had severe gapping issues, and even though 5.0 had already been announced, they released 4.0.4. But I guess they were different times though ... (Ron Kuper cough cough...) - Mario
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/13 08:46:33
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So creating who haa on the forums by putting out a crocked Sonar is money spinning. Umm... huh? I guess I will stick to X1 for the next ten years then! Have fun! You certainly wouldn't be the only one not using the latest version, just as there are people using 8.5 (and older versions) right now. You use whatever works best for you - that seems like common sense to me. I'll be enjoying my X8 with the included brain wave reader API by that point.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/13 09:43:37
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sometimes i come here and am surprised by the crazy large number of bug related threads. it's like a nightmare, that was haunting me, up until the day i bought a copy of studio one. my life (and sleep) is much better nowadays. gonna keep an eye on X2... that gapless audio engine S1V2 has, Cakewalk should look at this and copy it for sure.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/13 10:39:39
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sometimes i come here and am surprised by the crazy large number of bug related threads. it's like a nightmare, that was haunting me, up until the day i bought a copy of studio one S1 does have an advantage in this respect because it's so much newer. But I have noticed that while the v1 cycle seemd to be more about all the things S1 didn't have, there have been more bug reports (at least on the forum) since v2 was released. And from a few regulars. Even with 2.05 and 2.06 there are/were users reverting to previous builds because of issues encountered in the later releases. But such is life with an evolving DAW... the more you add, the more potential for issues!
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/08/14 15:36:07
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Blogman There sure as hell NEEDS to be one. X1 d killed fastbaouncing of timecode based plugins (antare, melodyne, gtr rig, waves) Takes more than twice as long to bounce everything. Still can't drag a midi effect from clip to clip or clip to bin. Can't delete a clip with a midi effect on it. Still have reberb tails pasted on the beginnings of song exports. Half the time transients are detected that aren't even there (every quarternote). Have to revert to 8.53 for reliable transient detection. Plugin delay compensation problems. Cakewalk needs to take responsibility for what THEY BROKE in X1D. I've been writing and calling since March about all of the screwed up issues. I officially stopped recommending Sonar as of X1. Customer service sucks!! When I called and asked when Fastbouncing timecode plugins be fixed, They said, 'it's fixed in X2'. I said, 'Oh great, when are you fixing it in X1?' They told me that they weren't fixing X1. Complete --BULL**** There's been plenty of time to take care of the customers that only want what they've already paid for... a working product, Not a substandard piece of crap. Continuing down a path of COMPLETE disregard of the professional customers WILL result in the DOWNFALL and DEMISE of CAKEWALK. exactly. If they will fix these (and other) bugs I will trust them and probably buy sonar upgrades in the future. if they don't: I am done with sonar and will search for a more reliable platform. so at least with me the stragegy to force one to upgrade in oder to get fixes does not work. I strongly suggest cakewalk to rethink thir business strategy in this respect. X1 is far from mature and I doubt that X2 will be better. best, drjee
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 11:32:38
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Why has Cake Abandoned X1 as of March with it crippled? ATLEAST fix the ability to FASTBOUNCE timecode plugins, bouncing to clip with timecode/tempo plugins NOT working. Fastbouncing has always been where Sonar has had a leg up. Now, X1 D cannot Fastbounce with timecode/tempo based plugins. Even the included Gtr rig won't follow your host tempo changes when fastbouncing now. My most used plugins are timecode based ones. antares/melodyne/waves/gtr rig.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 12:18:53
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Never! X2 is the update. If you cant afford it then you're stuck with your bugs. That's the Roland/Cakewalk way. Actually, that is pretty much the industry standard. Maintaining old code is a cost center; new paid versions are a profit center. There is no way to effectively finance that kind of maintenance unless the user is willing to pay an exorbitant servce fee subscription. Even Microsoft, which has a de facto monoploy on the basic program to run millions of computers stops supporting their OS after a couple of versions, leaving hundreds of millions of users with the same kind of choice. Arguably their profits (and billions of dollars of cash) could finance support for Windows 2000 in perpetuity. Cakewalk does not have that kind of option.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 14:59:13
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I officially stopped recommending Sonar as of X1 You what?
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 17:18:27
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Blogman Why has Cake Abandoned X1 as of March with it crippled? ATLEAST fix the ability to FASTBOUNCE timecode plugins, bouncing to clip with timecode/tempo plugins NOT working. Fastbouncing has always been where Sonar has had a leg up. Now, X1 D cannot Fastbounce with timecode/tempo based plugins. Even the included Gtr rig won't follow your host tempo changes when fastbouncing now. My most used plugins are timecode based ones. antares/melodyne/waves/gtr rig. X2 (like all other previous iterations) will sweep up various pending bug fixes rather than keep releasing umpteen frequent updates. So I assume this fastbounce issue will be fixed accordingly.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 17:23:32
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Bit of a puzzling thread. Do some users really expect CW to continue parallel maintenance on a number of previous versions? E.g. so users still on 8.5 can expect it to be subject to eternal bug fixes even though it's obsolete and no longer saleable?
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Mystic38
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 19:13:13
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Blogman Not a substandard piece of crap. Continuing down a path of COMPLETE disregard of the professional customers WILL result in the DOWNFALL and DEMISE of CAKEWALK. Subject to hyperbole much?.. On a comparative competitive basis i think Cake does an oustanding job, and work better and more honestly in support of their customers and the improvement of the product than the majority of DAW manf.. FYI .. there is no perfect DAW, but if you think there is.. go buy it. or if you even just think that another one is better, then why have you not bought that instead?..... or you could be rational, logical and pragmatic and see the realities of software and if you cannot do that, take a trip to any other (or all) DAW forum, see the issues bugs and complaints there and then perhaps some sense of reality will filter in.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 20:13:05
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Wow, people assume a lot. There are definitely bugs still present in X1d. And they're not just regulated to power users either. Bugs w/ automation and also the time based plugins bug are very much alive and kicking in X1d. Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are probably others.
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TheSteven
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 20:59:28
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pjfarr I'm not an expert on how this stuff is done, but if they fix some of the bugs from X1 in X2, couldn't they then put those fixes into a separate patch for the X1 users to download and install...? Or is that dumb? Not a dumb question but its rarely as simply as that. Software, unless its a dead product, is a continually evolving thing. So a particular bug fix for X2 might have involve changes to code that didn't exist in X1 or relate to code that was modified for another reason in X2. Even if the bugfix in X2 was applicable to X1 (and someone would have to spend the time to do an analysis to determine that) since people don't like to work for free you are taking about Cakewalk paying people to make the changes, to test the changes to make sure that they work as intended and don't cause new bugs, to create a release package, document the changes, update the archives, notify people (email,web update, etc), etc., etc. It gets expensive fairly quickly - and how many new copies of X1 will it sell? or how many updates to X2 will they have to sell to cover the costs? What other projects will get delayed while the manpower is spent here instead of there. I'm not saying that Cakewalk will or won't make create a patch - just that its not the simple process that many people assume that it is. ...Steven
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 21:08:32
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If software stands still, it surely gets left behind. I think Cakewalk is right in there with all the other DAWs duking it out for better sales. Better sales are driven by new ideas, and certainly the new possibilities on the horizon of computer hardware, make it an ever changing marketing game. If you're still using version 8.5 and turning a profit, perhaps you don't feel the need to upgrade endlessly. X1, X2 . . . it's going to keep going, and eventually there will be a need for newer software, that keeps up to the new computers . . . so just pick a DAW that suits what your music needs, and support it.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 21:39:10
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Here's my take on it ... I think Cakewalk charging for X2 is perfectly fine because there are a lot of new features and tools included (New amp sim, R-mix ... etc). But ... X1 should not have been left in the state it's in. There should be enough resources to support a release for at least 1 or 2 future release cycles, which in Cakewalk's case would only be 24 ~ 36 months. I don't think that's too much to ask. I'm not talking about making it compatible with the latest greatest VST version or operating system, but I'm talking about making it work the way it was advertised to work when you bought. That should be every companies goal no matter what you are selling ... PERIOD. There is nothing wrong with expecting that ... The fact that they don't is a business choice they have made ... not everyone works that way ... it's a choice on their part to force their customers to upgrade. There is no written rule or law that states they have to operate their business this way. They really had a chance to knock it out of the park with X1 ... being DAW 2.0 and all. If the Pro Channel would have worked reliably, if they would have kept color customization (for the life of me I will never in a 100 years understand why they took that away), wouldn't have crashed fast bounce, and a lot of other bugs, they would have been rock stars in the DAW business. Anyway, I'll be jumping on the X2 bandwagon in hopes some of the things that got left unresolved in X1 will get fixed ...
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/02 21:40:33
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TheSteven pjfarr I'm not an expert on how this stuff is done, but if they fix some of the bugs from X1 in X2, couldn't they then put those fixes into a separate patch for the X1 users to download and install...? Or is that dumb? Not a dumb question but its rarely as simply as that. Software, unless its a dead product, is a continually evolving thing. So a particular bug fix for X2 might have involve changes to code that didn't exist in X1 or relate to code that was modified for another reason in X2. Even if the bugfix in X2 was applicable to X1 (and someone would have to spend the time to do an analysis to determine that) since people don't like to work for free you are taking about Cakewalk paying people to make the changes, to test the changes to make sure that they work as intended and don't cause new bugs, to create a release package, document the changes, update the archives, notify people (email,web update, etc), etc., etc. It gets expensive fairly quickly - and how many new copies of X1 will it sell? or how many updates to X2 will they have to sell to cover the costs? What other projects will get delayed while the manpower is spent here instead of there. I'm not saying that Cakewalk will or won't make create a patch - just that its not the simple process that many people assume that it is. ...Steven To further elaborate here is somewhat of a direct answer from Noel from Cakewalk to a very similar question in another recent thread about updating past versions: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk ] This is a common question/misconception so I will try and answer it. The analogy to companies like Microsoft and Apple are not comparing apples with apples. Cakewalk is a microscopic in size as compared to these companies, and we don't write operating systems that require periodic updates to support the platform. Its a completely different business model. The retail software model includes one product cycle worth of updates. This is common to most companies and not just Cakewalk. We released 4 updates to X1 spread out a year and a half after the release. These included hundreds of fixes and even some new features from ongoing work in X2. The last update was X1D after which we focused our efforts entirely on X2. In this model its simply impossible to continue updating earlier product releases once a new product is released. What might not be obvious to those outside this industry, are the costs involved. The assumption that if a problem is fixed in a new release its easy to move that into the older release is incorrect. Many of the issues addressed in a new version are deeply entrenched in deeper design changes or even newer features that don't exist in the earlier version. Moving these to an earlier version would take months of regression testing since they are likely to introduce new problems living in a different environment. It would also drastically slow down development of new versions. In X2 we committed ourselves to addressing user reported problems on equal footing with new features. Our upgrade prices are incredibly affordable for the value you get. There isn't a lot more we can do beyond this.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/03 07:53:14
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chefmike8888 But if Cakewalk put out 'The Perfect DAW' so to speak. One with no issues at all, I'd still be on S6PE. That would definitely put them out of business. There would be no need to upgrade. But CW would have been able to stay in biz by selling their perfected S6PE to new buyers looking for a better and more reliable DAW than their current [insert other buggy DAW name here] rather than keep leading their current customers down the endless upgrade path to the next new buggy version (and losing some along the way each time). A new version could still be introduced when necessary (whenever a new Windows version or relevant service pack was released).
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/03 08:25:39
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But CW would have been able to stay in biz by selling their perfected S6PE to new buyers looking for a better and more reliable DAW Disagree. No matter if 'perfection' was achieved or not, there are whole legions of Cubase & PT out there who would NEVER swap their existing buggy software, no matter how good 6PE was. Anyway, 6PE wasn't perfect, and it lacked loads of features which we now take for granted.
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/03 11:12:37
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This is what I do professionally. It's not about the money. In fact, I have to spend X amount of dollars per year for tax purposes, so Normally YAAY for a $99 upgrade. I don't want to support a company that SCREWS me and then leaves me hanging and leads me to believe they're fixing the proble, then tell me they are not fixing the problem at the last minute. I love to whole heartedly support companies who support the ones (us customers) that support them and there families. I've tolerated minor bugs before, my problem is when the last major X1 update (d) left Sonar Crippled NOT able to fastbounce/clipbounce timecode plugins (lots of plugs uare timecode/tempo based) THIS TAKES EXTRA STUDIO TIME, AND SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR IT... They should NOT released a half baked patch that screwed up more than it fixed. The botched patch should've been fixed ASAP via 'quick fix' or a Quick Re-bake of the patch. Unless it was PURELY a marketing strategy to BREAK X1 d and force those 'every other year' upgraders to half to upgrade now or run handicapped. I've been calling and emailing since March (on this issue)(upon release about all the other stuff such as quantize audio not working till X1 C). Support told me to 'stay tuned an update was in the works' in regards to the Cakewalk-caused problems of X1 d (not the melodyne memory leak which didn't effect me). As a professional, I don't appreciate Cakewalk Re-Crippling X1 and leaving it messed up. We've been fastbouncing for many years and versions, why leave X1's legecy WITHOUT that ability. VERY Un-professional CAKEWALK!!! I also don't appreciate being lied to by customers support. Also very unprofessional. Cakewalk DOES NOT APPRECIATE the long time customers that got them where they are today. I've also used Roland since I was a kid and was excited to see when they joined with Cakewalk, but the Cake has turned upside down. Clear message: "CAKEWALK DOESN'T CARE"
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Re:Will there be an X1E bugfix update before or after X2 is released?
2012/09/03 11:40:40
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No, but most likely there will be a X2 patch before X2b to fix all the 'new version release bugs'
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