Bub
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/22 17:37:15
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Rimshot Bub, Sorry about the issues you are having. I started a new project, loaded GR4 on one track. Selected "Sultans of Pop" for my GR4 preset. I noted the CPU usage in the upper right corner of GR4 at 6% and when I click HI, it goes up to 11%. When you are reporting 30% CPU usage, what does your GR4 show in the upper right corner for CPU usage in both regular and HI settings? Hi Rimshot, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I just tried the Sultans of Pop preset. My project settings are 96kHz/24bit. I'm getting 12% CPU on normal and 25% CPU on HI. This is on a fresh install of Windows 7 x64 with SP1 installed and I only have Sonar 8.5.3 x64 installed. Here's a screenshot of what I was seeing in X1 just after I did the X1C update ... Notice the CPU cores ... at one point, the 1st and 4th one (the 4th one isn't even registering on this screenshot) were spiked way up to 80%. Also, I've been using 32bit (96kHz/32 Bit) but it does the same thing set to 24bit. BTW ... I'm guessing at these percentages. X1 doesn't actually tell you what percentage it is using like 8.5 did and those little CPU bars are so tiny they are hard to read.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/22 19:54:14
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Bub, have you run the DPC Latency checker recently. I was getting a similar type of problem when I had a hard drive(actually 2 of them) going. When I ran the DPC checker I was getting intermittent spikes(at about 11 second intervals). I received no error messages indicating there was a problem until they actually hit the total failure point. I assume what was happening was that it would keep trying to read the same(bad spot) on the drive and this would result in a interruption in the audio stream. See thread indicated below with a few more details on the problem. I had changed power supply, fans etc. trying to solve. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2278683
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Bub
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/23 13:24:59
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I ran the DPC Latency checker with 7 instances of Session Drummer 3 loaded with one of the sizzle kits in each instance of Session Drummer. For the first time my RAM usage got above 1.8GB. :) My CPU was at 80% according to Windows Task Manager. I loaded a bunch of midi patterns and hit play and watched the DPC Latency Checker while I was online via my USB Wireless LAN adapter surfing the Forums here. It was barely above the bottom green line the whole time. So ... any more input on this Noel before I just let this thread fade in to the abyss along with my PC? :)
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/23 14:21:26
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I loaded a bunch of midi patterns and hit play and watched the DPC Latency Checker while I was online via my USB Wireless LAN adapter surfing the Forums here. It was barely above the bottom green line the whole time. That might not be the whole explanation for your issue, but that's not a good sign. The green line is at 500us; above it is the yellow zone, meaning your system is marginally capable of delivering good audio streaming performance. I don't know what your buffer is at, but a DPC latency above 500us is going to start pushing your CPU usage up in SONAR if your buffer is at 128 samples or less. Throw in the overhead of running at 96kHz, and it's not so surprising you start to see some high CPU numbers. DPC latencies under 100 are more typical for a well-tuned DAW. Mine used to be there on XP, but jumped up to averaging around 150 with Win7. But some folks running Win7 with the right hardware, properly configured, are reporting DPC latencies under 20 or even in the single digits! 500+ microseconds is unacceptable for a modern machine with otherwise good specs, as far as I'm concerned. There may well be something else going on between SONAR X1c and your DAW, but your DAW is not in a super happy place to begin with.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/23 14:30:33
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I just checked and I misspoke .... It's barely moving above the bottom white line. This is a screenshot from DPC's web site. This is not my system. When I run the test on my system with all those Session Drummer's loaded the green bars move less than what they show in this screenshot. At first I didn't even think DPC was working because I really had to look to see any movement.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/23 14:32:11
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What I should do is run the DPC Latency checker with Guitar Rig. I will do that later and post back. I have to shut down and head out now. Thanks. Bub
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/23 18:19:20
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Here's a screen shot of DPC with Guitar Rig running.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/23 22:38:52
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Hey Bub, since you've taken things back to a fresh install of Win7 and it's still the same, it may be worth checking through all the BIOS settings, or even resetting the NVram. Some boards have a procedure for actually performing some sort of a NVram reset like jumpering some pins, rather than just a "Set BIOS defaults". I have seen some really strange issues fixed by doing a full NVram/BIOS defaults reset, then going through and setting up any non-defaults you need in the BIOS. Considering what you've done alreay, I really can't think of anything else at the mo. Cheers - Cliff
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Bub
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/23 23:01:13
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Hi Cliff, That's a really good idea. I'll give that a try tomorrow. It's 10PM here now, kind of late to get in to that. :) Thanks
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/24 02:24:57
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BubI just checked and I misspoke .... It's barely moving above the bottom white line. Okay. That's more like it. Definitely something strange going on there with your CPU loading, but DPC isn't the problem.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/24 13:52:54
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I've just skimmed through this thread, so don't know if anyone's already mentioned this. It's possible X1C is somehow affected by or "more sensitive" to power management settings, so I'd look at them in two places (Try these separately, checking on X1 performance after each change): 1) In the BIOS, temporarily disable the power management settings there (Speedstep, C1E, etc). 2) In Windows, under Power Options, switch it from Balanced to High Performance. Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/25 18:23:05
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@ JonD: BIOS power management is totally disabled and power management is set to High Performance plus I changed a couple of things to make it even better. @Noel: Is there anything else in depth you can suggest? Should I contact support via the phone? Are we going to continue troubleshooting here? Not sure what to do at this point. I haven't used my DAW since this happened because Windows Task Manager is showing my CPU Usage at 50 ~ 60% and I don't like running it that high. Keep me posted.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/25 20:13:43
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Bub @ JonD: BIOS power management is totally disabled and power management is set to High Performance plus I changed a couple of things to make it even better. @Noel: Is there anything else in depth you can suggest? Should I contact support via the phone? Are we going to continue troubleshooting here? Not sure what to do at this point. I haven't used my DAW since this happened because Windows Task Manager is showing my CPU Usage at 50 ~ 60% and I don't like running it that high. Keep me posted. CW employees only show up here on the forum when there is a little lag at work. IE. the release of a patch, or release of a new version of Sonar, or their is some event about to take place. We don't hear from them much except at those times. I would suggest you contact Willy Jones to help you with your system. Give him a pm I am sure he will be happy to assist you.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/26 07:46:01
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I have noticed a glitch in the piano roll when I have a midi track with a bass line and a few notes higher up. When I try to select some notes via clicking and dragging the mouse to create a selection box around some of the bass notes, some of my other notes higher up get selected. Not sure if this is due to the X1c update.
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