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X1c CRAZY !
OK...So like everyone else I have been waiting around for the X1c UD to try and fix the issues with X1 Pro x64... It dowloaded and installed OK - but I still feel that there are still lots of bugs in the program... For example - can someone please explain this to me... I have a single loop track in an X1c project solo'd with no effects in the track and NOTHING running - that is the track is standing still - and the CPU meters are going absolutely crazy - spiking out all over the place ! When I disable the global FX - still not running - the meters settle down and when I re-enable them with the track still not running - they are OK... Then when I try and run the SINGLE loop track with a single FX inserted - MixControl Pro - the CPU meters go crazy and spike out again... So I try and run the same SINGLE loop track without any FX inserted and the CUS meter is still spiking out ! None of this makes any sense at all  This is a dedicated x64 music computer with solid specs,so unfortunately I still have to believe that there is still some crazy stuff going on inside the engine of Sonar X1... I have been a Cakewalk user since Pro Audio 9 and I have always enjoyed using the program... I want to love X1 Pro because it has so much potential,but unfortunately I have to think that this particular cake is still not cooked properly yet And don't even mention the Pro Channel.... So for now I have to roll back to 8.5.3 because that was always a solid experience for me 
post edited by digitalboy - 2011/08/16 23:07:42
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/16 23:32:09
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So for now I have to roll back to 8.5.3 because that was always a solid experience for me
But you don't mean "roll back" in the literal sense, right, digitalboy? You can have umpteen versions of Sonar on your computer (like me) and they all co-exist. Just simply use 8.5 again (like me). I dutifully ran the X1c update, looks to be OK. When I get inspired, I'll be poking at it to see if it's something I can work with yet. Randy B.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 00:30:30
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If you bypass fx and the meters go down, that indicates you have a plugin that is causing the behavior. If you have multiple versions of Sonar on your computer, then you may have an older version of the Sonitus dlls that are known to have a memory whole and cause this type of behavior. I would go through your plug ins one by one and determine which one or combination may be the problem. The cause however appears to be MixControl Pro or another plug in not on that track. Possibly your midi buffers are set too low. There are numerous options to explore.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 01:17:36
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Ok ... I noticed this too and just did some testing. I think I'm seeing what Digitalboy is seeing.
I want to throw this data out there to get some input from someone still running X1B that uses Guitar Rig Pro 4.
I can run Guitar Rig Pro 4 in stand alone mode and my Windows Task Manager reports 5% CPU usage.
I close it, fire up X1C 32bit and create a new project with 1 wav with Guitar Rig Pro 4 on it and input echo 'Off', and my CPU usage is 5%.
I turn Input Echo on and my CPU Meter goes crazy with spikes. Up to 30% across 3 cores and Windows Task Manager reports 15% CPU usage.
Something appears to have changed in X1C and it's causing 30% CPU spikes on my system with 1 track and 1 effect. That doesn't seem right to me ... can anyone confirm or debunk this with X1B please. I don't ever remember Guitar Rig Pro causing huge spikes like that.
The project is 96kHz/24bit. I tried 44.1kHz/24bit and it lowered the CPU usage, but not by much. I tried my sound card buffers at 128 samples and 1024 samples and it made no difference.
I dunno, consistent 30% CPU usage for 1 track and 1 effect does not seem right to me.
Thanks,
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 01:36:10
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Not sure if I'm not following part of the recipe, but I can input monitor GR4 Pro at 2ms with 1-2% CPU. This is x64 X1c on Win7 x64. ASIO buffer size of 96 samples.
I tried with various combinations of audio tracks, multiple Z2's loaded, etc. The highest usage I saw while idling and input monitoring through GR4 was 5%.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 01:52:01
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I don't think there is a common testbed outlined here for anyone else to verify or not verify. The OP said he was in x64. Another thing, that VST has supposedly just been released by a developer collaborative, possibly not even available to the general public as the site says you can order a prerelease version. So digitalboy, are you a developer for this company? This VST would be a competitor to ProChannel as it is a channel strip. Is this why you are dinging ProChannel? If you are one of the developers of the product, it might be useful to make contact with Cakewalk to get any last minute changes to their VST approach.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 01:55:46
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So for now I have to roll back to 8.5.3 because that was always a solid experience for me
But you don't mean "roll back" in the literal sense, right, digitalboy? You can have umpteen versions of Sonar on your computer (like me) and they all co-exist. Just simply use 8.5 again (like me).
I dutifully ran the X1c update, looks to be OK. When I get inspired, I'll be poking at it to see if it's something I can work with yet.
Randy B.
I uninstalled 8.5.3 before I installed X1 Pro and have been keeping everything up to date with the updates and the quick fixes - but the latest quick fix (pevious to X1c) gave me problems,so I rolled back to the earlier one.. When I ran these latest tests it was a SINGLE track with a loop and it was going crazy with NO FX and the transport wasn't even running ! CPU spikes when NOTHING was happening ! This is a dedicated music DAW...No internet and many of the tweaks that are recommended for an x64 DAW.. I will uninstall the Sonitux FX (even though I like them) and remove all of the FX and rebuild the VST's - step by step... But why should I have to do that when other programs don't react to them like Sonar X1c does ? That still points to some bugs in Sonar as far as I can see.... If that doesn't work,I'll be unistalling X1c and going back to 8.5.3 and waiting patiently for X1d.... And if THAT doesn't work,I'm going to learn how to run Reaper 
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 01:59:39
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I have noticed the CPU meter acting crazy on my system as well. I went from X1b-246 to X1c.
I don't care. Everything seems to be running well and I don't think this little glitch represents actual activity. The CPU usage doesn't change if sitting idle or playing a project. IF idle long enough the meter seems to calm down.
I never use the resource meter module in the control bar and everything feels good. You know what they say, if it feels good....you must respect the system spec.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 02:02:13
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So for now I have to roll back to 8.5.3 because that was always a solid experience for me
But you don't mean "roll back" in the literal sense, right, digitalboy? You can have umpteen versions of Sonar on your computer (like me) and they all co-exist. Just simply use 8.5 again (like me).
I dutifully ran the X1c update, looks to be OK. When I get inspired, I'll be poking at it to see if it's something I can work with yet.
Randy B.
I uninstalled 8.5.3 before I installed X1 Pro and have been keeping everything up to date with the updates and the quick fixes - but the latest quick fix (pevious to X1c) gave me problems,so I rolled back to the earlier one..
When I ran these latest tests it was a SINGLE track with a loop and it was going crazy with NO FX and the transport wasn't even running ! CPU spikes when NOTHING was happening !
I will uninstall the Sonitux FX (even though I like them) and remove all of the FX and rebuild the VST's - step by step...
But why should I have to do that when other programs don't react to them like Sonar X1c does ?
That still points to some bugs in Sonar as far as I can see....
If that doesn't work,I'll be unistalling X1c and going back to 8.5.3 and waiting patiently for X1d....
And if THAT doesn't work,I'm going to learn how to run Reaper
You shouldn't need to go through somewhat blindly rebuilding your plugin database. The Sonitus plugs work fine. I would do one of two things (or both ): 1) Call support 2) Let's take it down to basics. What's the smallest thing you can do to get your CPU spiking? I'm having a little trouble following the initial post. Maybe give us a step by step. I'd be surprised if the brain-trust here can't help you figure it out. We'll also need the specs on your DAW environment. What's bizarre is it sounds like a denormal problem. BTW: One way to tell if it's a VST plugin problem is remove all of them by temporarily moving the folder or deleting the path in SONAR's preferences. You could also try excluding all plugins or ones you think might be a problem in SONAR's Plgin Manager.
post edited by Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk] - 2011/08/17 02:04:00
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 02:03:47
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Ok, I added a loop to a single track in X1c and with or without fx (tried several), no spiking, minimul CPU activity. Can't duplicate that issue here.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 02:21:27
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Middleman
Ok, I added a loop to a single track in X1c and with or without fx (tried several), no spiking, minimul CPU activity. Can't duplicate that issue here.
Yes - but were you using that same EXACT loop that I was using here in Beijing ? I have got the shotgun out and I have it pointed directly at the DAW 
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 02:31:29
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"I don't think there is a common testbed outlined here for anyone else to verify or not verify."
Mom's simple recipe for testing CPU spikes in X1C: (HEHE) 1. Create a new project in X1C x86 with the specs 96kHz/24bit. 2. Only have 1 track in the project. Delete the midi track if using the stock normal template. 3. Add Guitar Rig 4 Pro to the FX Bin of that track. 4. Turn on Input Monitoring. 5. Watch the CPU Meter and let us know if you are seeing 30% spikes like Bub is. I had Windows Task Manager open at the time and can confirm there are actual spikes and not just false graphical representations. 
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 02:39:54
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Middleman
Another thing, that VST has supposedly just been released by a developer collaborative, possibly not even available to the general public as the site says you can order a prerelease version. So digitalboy, are you a developer for this company? This VST would be a competitor to ProChannel as it is a channel strip. Is this why you are dinging ProChannel? If you are one of the developers of the product, it might be useful to make contact with Cakewalk to get any last minute changes to their VST approach.
NO...I am not a developer for Mix Control and I am in no way "dinging" Pro Channel... No conspiracy theories here at all...Sorry to disappoint you on that one... I also use Wave Arts Trackplug 5 and that is my main "desert island" plugin....very "dynamic" And NO - I'm not a developer for Wave Arts either.... Come to think of it - I'm not a developer for anyone I have been using Sonar exclusively & professionally since the first incarnation - Pro Suite before that - so I know the program pretty well and I think that it is the best DAW for PC... But there have been one or two "issues" with X1 Pro.... I want to love her - like all of the previous versions of Sonar - but up to now,she's been a bit of a ****
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 02:47:23
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Bub, thanks for that. Yes, I see some very minor spiking not nearly at the 30% level maybe 1-2% on the scale across 4 processors. It also does this with Superior Drummer. If I am in running 48/24 nothing shows up. So there is some low level chatter at 96/24. Not sure how this relates to digitalboy's issue which is loop related, I can't duplicate his issue here. As he says however, it may be specific to a loop he is using.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 03:18:34
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Bub, thanks for that. Yes, I see some very minor spiking not nearly at the 30% level maybe 1-2% on the scale across 4 processors.
Here's a screenshot of what I'm seeing ... 1 track with GRP 4 on it. 
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 03:47:04
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I think the CPU meter is set to read peaks, as opposed to rms.
Not poking fun, I just can't connect the meter activity to a problem. X1 sees my CPU as 8 cores and shows lots of evenly spread activity. Sometimes these things are like chasing ghosts brother. If I enter an online simulation (game) I can tell my computer is "on the octane". Fans ramp up and things start singing. Meters? We don't need no stin.... You get point. Sonar doesn't give the machine that kind of stress.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 03:53:17
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that's how it looks even in X1b - i was trying several settings with included bitBridge and the latest version of jBridge - sometimes X1 just crashes without warning.
Maybe that's the problem?
Does anyone seen good and friendly-written tutorial of using bitbridge and jbridge with Sonar????
And another question - have you (Sonar creators) made a patch that allows Korg Synthesizers (microX, X50, M3 etc) plugins/editors work properly with X1? There's MIDI issue that makes plugin or keyboard (your choice) useless.
Cubase has no problem with it, even in version 5.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 04:27:23
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Bub
Ok ... I noticed this too and just did some testing. I think I'm seeing what Digitalboy is seeing.
I want to throw this data out there to get some input from someone still running X1B that uses Guitar Rig Pro 4.
I can run Guitar Rig Pro 4 in stand alone mode and my Windows Task Manager reports 5% CPU usage.
I close it, fire up X1C 32bit and create a new project with 1 wav with Guitar Rig Pro 4 on it and input echo 'Off', and my CPU usage is 5%.
I turn Input Echo on and my CPU Meter goes crazy with spikes. Up to 30% across 3 cores and Windows Task Manager reports 15% CPU usage.
Something appears to have changed in X1C and it's causing 30% CPU spikes on my system with 1 track and 1 effect. That doesn't seem right to me ... can anyone confirm or debunk this with X1B please. I don't ever remember Guitar Rig Pro causing huge spikes like that.
The project is 96kHz/24bit. I tried 44.1kHz/24bit and it lowered the CPU usage, but not by much. I tried my sound card buffers at 128 samples and 1024 samples and it made no difference.
I dunno, consistent 30% CPU usage for 1 track and 1 effect does not seem right to me.
Thanks,
Bub
Hi Bub! To Rap it up, as long you continue to use x32bit and XP32 you will have problems... Upgrade to a new computer that can handle all the task with Windows 7 x64bit and SONAR X1 x64. Best Regards Freddie
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 04:32:17
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Freddie - can you (if you tried) explain diferences between using jBridge and implemented bitbridge please?
I still have problems with it... :-/
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 04:38:18
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Not sure if I'm not following part of the recipe, but I can input monitor GR4 Pro at 2ms with 1-2% CPU. This is x64 X1c on Win7 x64. ASIO buffer size of 96 samples.
I tried with various combinations of audio tracks, multiple Z2's loaded, etc. The highest usage I saw while idling and input monitoring through GR4 was 5%.
Brandon! News, finally Native Instuments made the move to offical support Windows 7 x64 only. I hope Cakewalk will do as all a favor and do the same. All new products and updates would only be supported in Windows 7 X64 or later only. Only release 64bit versions of your softwares would be a great move too. That would take care of alot BUGs problem with compatibility problem with low-end mashines OS running around in this FORUM. Also it will make the programmers have more free OPTION adding new features not need to think of backward compatibility to work in OS like Xp32. There are many technologies and codes that doesn't work in x32 environment or in old XP32, CUDA and so on.... To rap it up! In use of SONAR X1= Majority of all users that use Windows 7 X64 and SONAR X1 x64 only has no stability problems. People that use else have problems. Best Regards Freddie
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 04:45:08
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Freddie - can you (if you tried) explain diferences between using jBridge and implemented bitbridge please?
I still have problems with it... :-/
SONAR bitbridge are from Cakewalk. (Virtual Server x64/x32 model) JBridge, the man behind is a nice guy from Portugal that made an own Bitbridge, using Virtual Server x64/x32 models inside the OS. There are many more OPTIONS in jBridge that you can try out...
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 05:03:40
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and which one is better?
I think I have problems with bitBridge - it runs (look at (CTRL+ALT+DEL) system Processes) virtual servers or something which eats memory and doesn't seem to work too good.
Or maybe there are problems with 32/64 conversion and some functions that disappearing.
I can't explain it more clearly - gotta learn more English :)
And I don't want to test one or second, so I was hoping that there's someone clever and experienced to give me a hand to get rig with it.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 05:44:45
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Yes - but were you using that same EXACT loop that I was using here in Beijing ? If he did and it spiked then it points towards the loop being at fault If he did and his DAW didn't spike then the problem is unique to your machine.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 06:22:17
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Yes - but were you using that same EXACT loop that I was using here in Beijing ?
If he did and it spiked then it points towards the loop being at fault
If he did and his DAW didn't spike then the problem is unique to your machine.
I was only kidding because I was getting a little pissed off.... I am going to build a couple of new DAWs with an i7 960,GB GA-X58A-UD3R MB,12 GB of DDR3 1600 C7 RAM, some SATA 3 HD's and Win 7 Pro x64 in each one... I need a couple of identical DAWs because of my work situation... Clean installs of EVERYTHING.... We'll see what Sonar X1c has to say about it then..... If she still gives me trouble,I'm going to get a new girl
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 06:42:58
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With that setup it'll run like a dream.
Hell - it runs perfectly well on my XP32 machine!!
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 07:42:48
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we've had it explained many times that the "CPU" meter in SONAR can't in any way be compared to the Windows meter.
SONAR's meter is showing the CPU power required to fill and process a buffer of audio data as that relates more to what SONAR itself is doing rather than CPU specifically as while SONAR is running there are many activities that a CPu is undertaking not related to SONAR at all.
i'm only explaining it in laymans as I' dont know enough to explain it technically. Perhaps Noel will chime in.
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 09:44:34
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Ok ... I noticed this too and just did some testing. I think I'm seeing what Digitalboy is seeing. I want to throw this data out there to get some input from someone still running X1B that uses Guitar Rig Pro 4. I can run Guitar Rig Pro 4 in stand alone mode and my Windows Task Manager reports 5% CPU usage. I close it, fire up X1C 32bit and create a new project with 1 wav with Guitar Rig Pro 4 on it and input echo 'Off', and my CPU usage is 5%. I turn Input Echo on and my CPU Meter goes crazy with spikes. Up to 30% across 3 cores and Windows Task Manager reports 15% CPU usage. Can't reproducer this here... Sonar X1c x64 with Guitar Rig 4 x64 MOTU 896HD at 96k (128-sample ASIO buffer size) Load an new project, appy Guitar Rig to an audio track, and select the "80s Solo" preset. Enable input monitoring for this audio track. CPU use is stable 3-5%
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 09:50:53
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Mine was higher than I liked and I lowered the ASIO buffersize down and now I get the same results as Brandon.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 09:52:51
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I had Windows Task Manager open at the time and can confirm there are actual spikes and not just false graphical representations.
Just deleted the MIDI track on the default project... and tested again. CPU use is steady 3-5%
post edited by Jim Roseberry - 2011/08/18 08:49:27
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Re:X1c CRAZY !
2011/08/17 11:37:23
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Brandon! News, finally Native Instuments made the move to offical support Windows 7 x64 only. I hope Cakewalk will do as all a favor and do the same. All new products and updates would only be supported in Windows 7 X64 or later only. Only release 64bit versions of your softwares would be a great move too. That would take care of alot BUGs problem with compatibility problem with low-end mashines OS running around in this FORUM. Also it will make the programmers have more free OPTION adding new features not need to think of backward compatibility to work in OS like Xp32. There are many technologies and codes that doesn't work in x32 environment or in old XP32, CUDA and so on.... To rap it up! In use of SONAR X1= Majority of all users that use Windows 7 X64 and SONAR X1 x64 only has no stability problems. People that use else have problems. Best Regards Freddie Freddie, I think you "have the tiger by the tail" on this one. I think that MANY of the problems with X1, in all its versions are a result of the move of Sonar 8.x to X1 coinciding with the movement of MS from XP to VISTA/W7 and from especially from 32bit to 64 bit (probably the 32 to 64 is the biggest fly in the ointment and W7 has more of an ability to overcome these problems than XP or Vista does). I hope that you will expand on this and put it in it's own thread. At least no one is complaining that they are having problems running X1 on a Windows ME system... WOAH. I think everyone, especially those having problems should give this some thought because I think I have noticed a bit correlation between older systems=more problems, of course there is always someone running XP and X1 who has no trouble, so I don't think it is the "end all" answer but is certainly something well worth considering. I think that in order to use X1 and have it be as stable as it should be, a new computer may be requisite and the computer needs to be carefully speced or, if at all possible. a Studiocat, Creation Station, or some other DAW... from someone who offers good support after the sale. (I think there is another DAW builder I have seen posting here but I cannot remember the name). Again, you seem knowledgeable about this and I hope you will develope this thinking a little more and start a new thread about it. It makes sense..!!! Perhaps, the bakers have actually done an incredible job with X1 considering the mish mash of hardware and OS being used right now. True, some other host programs may work better in this transitional environment but perhaps some other hosts are not as advanced as X1. IMO, Cakewalk is a forward leaning company. That is never easy. Then there is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8 hehe Anyway... GREAT post!! J
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