Keni
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/14 14:23:27
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stevec
Keni... But with all the lane/zoom issues it took forever fiddling with changing/adjusting zooms repeatedly...
Keni, lane size limitations aside, what zoom issues do you come across on a regular basis? I know you've mentioned zoom adjustments before so I'm just curious.
Hi Steve... First off, I can't zoom large enuf to see well (lanes), and if I use the zoom tool to lasso a specific area I end up with a view that's stretched long, but not tall... To get as close as the new system will allow I must zoom from two places... First I drag the track control area to the tallest it will allow, then move my mouse to the timeline and use the zoom feature there to handle the width... Too much mouse work! (And still not as zoomed as I want/need)... Using zoom doesn't even stay to the single track when zooming and I get a few other tracks as well as the track with lanes... Undo gets lost in a myriad of changing screen sets as well as zooms and with all the multiple commands issued has far too many steps/clicks... I spend far too much time re-sizing my screen between operations than ever before... Often getting lost as I can't figure out where it has taken me.... Away from where I was working... Things were difficult for me in X to begin with and the lanes have caused a non-stop nightmare of workflow for me... Keni
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/14 18:02:57
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Ah.. so it is specifically when lanes are involved? Gotcha. I thought maybe there was some "regular" track work in there somewhere too.
Personally, lane size and what's displayed on the parent track are my two biggest issues with lanes as they are. I've read some other good ideas about how they could be enhanced as well, but I'd take size and visibility over anything else if I had to really narrow it down.
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Keni
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/14 18:56:06
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stevec
Ah.. so it is specifically when lanes are involved? Gotcha. I thought maybe there was some "regular" track work in there somewhere too. Personally, lane size and what's displayed on the parent track are my two biggest issues with lanes as they are. I've read some other good ideas about how they could be enhanced as well, but I'd take size and visibility over anything else if I had to really narrow it down.
Yes Steve... Specifically with lanes... A feature I am not happy about even if they fix it... But something of the sort (layers) has so well suited my work that this new pain of lanes is a major "in my face" issue... I tried using tracks an no lanes, but that has a myriad of issues that makes it not well suited for me anymore... I must use lanes all day long in "frustration"... I've got some good ideas ok... ;-) Keni
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/15 07:31:53
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Oh... and I did not drop a dime into Vista. I tried it. I hated it. I waited and bought 7. I've seen 8 and I know I won't like it so I'll stick with 7. Why would I pay for something that isn't gonna do what I want it to? That's all it comes down to for me. I have loyalty to people (like some of the awesome folks I've met here and even some of the Bakers who have helped me out), not inanimate objects or corporations.
Again... I love X2. It just needs some fixin'.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/15 09:09:46
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Keni can I ask a question about the zoom issue you have?
It sounds like it is vertical zoom you need on the lane right?
Is that because the waveform in the clip is too small because of low recording level?
If so are you aware that you can change the scale of the wave by clicking a dragging up or down on the scale itself for each layer?
This does not change the hight of the lane but zooms vertically in on the clip.
Perhaps this is what you are already doing but I just thought I would mention it in case you were not aware of this feature.
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Keni
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/15 12:07:25
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Tom Riggs
Keni can I ask a question about the zoom issue you have?
It sounds like it is vertical zoom you need on the lane right?
Is that because the waveform in the clip is too small because of low recording level?
If so are you aware that you can change the scale of the wave by clicking a dragging up or down on the scale itself for each layer?
This does not change the hight of the lane but zooms vertically in on the clip.
Perhaps this is what you are already doing but I just thought I would mention it in case you were not aware of this feature.
Thanks Tom... Yeah, I know about the waveform zoom and I do use that often as well... What I'm complaining about along with the zoom limitations is how many steps it takes to get zoomed and how much mouse movement it takes ...along with the issues that creates for going back to the view you were proviously at... I tried working with screensets to find a way around this stuff, but that didn't help either as this zoom stuff happens on the fly and always needs relocating/selecting as the work demands... I'm managing to get my work done so it's not a matter of "I can't", it's a matter of how long it takes to do and how frustrating it is to constantly repeat these actions throughout a project... Keni
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/15 12:34:53
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That was the best survey cakewalk have ever done so far. Much more realistic questions. Hope users will fill it in and I hope Cakewalk will act on it.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/15 13:40:37
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I just got and filled out mine. I just hope Cakewalk will take all of the survey responses seriously.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/15 15:09:56
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I hope so too...
But what "scares" me, is that they're first asking now thinking to do something where I (and most of us) have bben hoping that they already were doing it! <sigh>...
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/17 00:08:12
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Keni
I hope so too...
But what "scares" me, is that they're first asking now thinking to do something where I (and most of us) have bben hoping that they already were doing it! <sigh>...
Keni
I sort of thought of this too, but I think that it may be more that they just realize that they're already really behind the eight ball and just need to see what the majority of customers here want to see get done & finished fairly soon, instead of plowing through all the forums to sort it all out.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/17 11:44:21
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Does anyone remember what Eliot Carver said in the Bond film Tomorrow Never Dies? "Are we ready to release the new software Ms. Jones?
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/17 15:13:23
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I recall that. "It's full of bugs as requested, which will force users to upgrade for years." -silly line. ha
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/17 17:40:43
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Keni
I hope so too...
But what "scares" me, is that they're first asking now thinking to do something where I (and most of us) have bben hoping that they already were doing it! <sigh>...
Keni
More depressing than scary. I can't imagine any feature in a survey hitting the streets for a at least a year - assuming that X3 is is being tested now. It would be unlikely that they could slap a feature onto what I would hope is an existing major release build.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/17 22:20:15
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pbognar
It would be unlikely that they could slap a feature onto what I would hope is an existing major release build.
I don't recall seeing many feature requests in these forums. I see mostly requests for bug fixes. (hey, I can reply once more...)
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/06/17 22:30:40
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simpleman
....Steinberg, Reaper, Studio One etc. they are all coded more independent of the Operating System and thus able to "wrap" the OS around them.
I would think that would make them less efficient. simpleman
...This probably is a weakness of Cakewalk's way of Sonar; being more dependent on the advancement of Windows.
Why would you consider an intimate knowledge of how the operating system works being a weakness?
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 08:55:48
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I will personnaly be really desappointed withou X2b. I am waiting for the correction of the issue with Mux... :(
And I do not want anymore to pay for bugs correction like it was done with automation between X1 and X2!
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 11:10:24
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I know you've mentioned MUX in another thread, but I personally haven't had a problem using it in X2a. Are you using specific presets or modules in MUX? 32 or 64bit? I wonder what's different between what we're doing.
I don't think it's all that popular around here, but I like it. Between its delivered synths and the ability to chain together VSTi's it's a pretty cool plugin.
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chuckebaby
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 12:19:35
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did you apply the quickfix ?
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Keni
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 12:47:56
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So...
Another month slips by and the struggle goes on... When working with Lanes I'm forced to go to 2 different locations on screen to accomplish a zoom that I can work with... Back and forth all day leaves me screaming mad...
...and their survey is first asking if we need/want them to work on fixing lanes as a priority?
Sad...
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 12:59:21
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that's the rub, the whole "we're not allowed to tell" blag - i assume (hope!) they do have a plan but don't want to share because it's not what we want to hear... august is traditionally when the "upgrade now & get the next version for free" kicks in, so it shouldn't be long until the end of this phase of mushroom marketing
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 13:24:40
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I have no problem with Cakewalk not divulging their strategic long range plan or any of the various components that may be a parcel to it. But I note, and not happily so, that other DAW vendors are providing their customers with their plans for updating their software. That strikes me as good customer relations. I'm troubled by Cakewalk's decision to remain mum regarding any updates to X2a.
I am pleased when any of the Calkwalk team chime in on these forums but so far at least they aren't divulging whether or not there is an update coming.
So we wait and watch and make as much music as possible in the meantime.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 13:59:27
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exactly - i'm wondering if there's anything they can tell us yet, albeit in a more curmudgeonly fashion 
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 14:01:49
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I have Cubase4 installed here alongside X2 Producer.
The last time I had Cubase4 installed was on my last PC...I just downloaded the 64bit version recently and tried it out.
The reason I left Cubase was because they didn't fix all the bugs in Version2 before bringing out 3.
They didn't fix all the bugs in Version3 before bringing out 4.
When they brought out Version5 without fixing the bugs in 4 I said goodbye.
All DAWs have bugs, work around them if you can, if not then jump ship.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 14:29:42
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Shambler
I have Cubase4 installed here alongside X2 Producer.
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The reason I left Cubase was because they didn't fix all the bugs in Version2 before bringing out 3.
They didn't fix all the bugs in Version3 before bringing out 4.
When they brought out Version5 without fixing the bugs in 4 I said goodbye.
All DAWs have bugs, work around them if you can, if not then jump ship.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 16:24:28
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That's because of Yamaha, trust me. I think "The Borg" learned some lessons fast.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 17:10:25
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I'm hoping Summer Namm will bring something new.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 20:20:54
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WDI
I really wish cakewalk would fix all issues in a release before moving forward on a new paid for release. It's been my main concern with cakewalk for a long time.
If X3 turns out to a paid release, I would be forced to either not buy or buy into another DAW. I've already vested much cash into Cakewalk and Sonar to just move into another paid upgrade that could turn out to be just as buggy and crash-prone. In my opinion, X3 (if paid) would need to be less than $50.
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 21:33:46
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Of course X3 would be a paid release, there's absolutely nothing in CW's history that would indicate otherwise. Now whether X3 is the next SONAR to be released, that's what we do not yet know. Either way, I'll be using whatever comes next, I always do. I just hope that the difference in general stability and overall issues count that we saw between the X1 and X2 releases (a fairly noticable difference IMO) is again reflected in going X2 to X3. That would be a very good thing. And it makes this forum a nicer place to be. 
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Re: X2b or not to be... Yeah, another
2013/07/11 23:01:33
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2:43AM
If X3 turns out to a paid release,
that's cool ?
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/07/12 02:41:19
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2013/07/11 23:51:04
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brconflict
That's because of Yamaha, trust me. I think "The Borg" learned some lessons fast.
Yamaha in general has excellent support.
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