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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:20:35
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From that thread:
> Since I can't test X3c, I'm relying on information I've been gathering from various threads.
Could you please update your footer like mine to show your system specs, you are confusing me greatly with your scenario.
You need to be running and testing X3D from next week onwards, and not standing back and commenting from a previous version (nobody will take you seriously), otherwise I wouldn't expect too much for the future. So a demo will be coming out soon that will help you perhaps.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:28:21
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
lawp
any danger of a demo version yet?
We'll have more info on demo coming soon. Obviously, we want it to be based on SONAR X3d.
thanks for replying
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:30:04
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CakeAlexS
From that thread:
> Since I can't test X3c, I'm relying on information I've been gathering from various threads.
Could you please update your footer like mine to show your system specs, you are confusing me greatly with your scenario.
You need to be running and testing X3D from next week onwards, and not standing back and commenting from a previous version (nobody will take you seriously), otherwise I wouldn't expect too much for the future. So a demo will be coming out soon that will help you perhaps.
just try running multiple VSTis with MIDI out enabled, that much is obvious from the old posts, you don't need system specs ;-)
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:30:15
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I just read that thread. seems like cake is trying the best they can but understand something. you said it yourself,
"don't you have 1 bug you wish could be fixed"
that is a loaded question, how are you going to please everyone, you cant.
you can please the majority. the reason there are so many daws out there is because people work in different ways.
your never going to please everyone, but making an effort to try and please the majority is a great feat in itself.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:31:12
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SilkTone
The Kiosk ProjectSilkToneTo those people complaining about my posts, I have a serious question for you... Everyone has some set of Sonar bugs that they wish could get fixed. In most cases they are just annoyances and there are ways to work around them. But now imagine there are a few bugs in Sonar that absolutely prevents you from using it altogether, what would you say? Nothing? Now imagine that goes on for 5 years. Now what would you say?
Silkwood, I am genuinely curious about which bugs would TOTALLY prevent you from using Sonar? If you don't mind me saying it all sounds a bit dramatic. I am genuinely prepared to be enlightened. However, if I ever encountered such a situation, I would not keep paying for upgrades for years without checking that whatever 'showstopper' bug or bugs were resolved before shelling out.... Garry Kiosk
Garry, this issue has been rehashed endlessly (if you want to see the gory details, read this thread). The short version is that if you rely on VSTi plugins that send MIDI events out, you will get crosstalk into other tracks when you record on them (say from an external MIDI controller). In addition, if you have more than 1 VSTi sending MIDI events out, Sonar will crash. There are no workarounds for these two issues. I absolutely rely on more than one VSTi sending MIDI events out, and since Sonar can't handle this I'm forced to use another DAW that can.
I do a lot of work with MIDI hardware... Tho I have a few issues with it, I can always find a way to make it work... I'd have to see the exact situations you're referring to but it sounds as tho simply using a second MIDI track with data copied to it might get the job done... Or something along these lines... I do not dismiss that there have been and likely still are some issues related to this, but certainly not enough to stop the program being capable of getting the work done... I have had many simple and many extreme issues with Cakewalk's software over all their' years, but I've always gotten my work done. Currently I scream (inside) most of the day because of zoom issues and lanes (ugh!), but it does not stop my ability to get the work done... Internal as well as external! I remember many girlfriends over the years always telling me how they're personal problems are because their mom/dad did/didn't do something for the first 20 years of their life... All I can say 20 years later is why is it taking you so long to fix something you know about? Shame on you! At least your folks didn't know or understand, or possibly not be capable of...? I say this trying to be gentle as I do not mean to offend you... I would be happy to brainstorm this with you and find a solution...? Please feel free to PM me... Keni
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:32:19
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lawp
CakeAlexS
From that thread:
> Since I can't test X3c, I'm relying on information I've been gathering from various threads.
Could you please update your footer like mine to show your system specs, you are confusing me greatly with your scenario.
You need to be running and testing X3D from next week onwards, and not standing back and commenting from a previous version (nobody will take you seriously), otherwise I wouldn't expect too much for the future. So a demo will be coming out soon that will help you perhaps.
just try running multiple VSTis with MIDI out enabled, that much is obvious from the old posts, you don't need system specs ;-)
I asked politely, knowing what people have when I interact with them is important to me in these forums. Thankyou.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:32:56
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so you won't try to reproduce unless he updates his sig? lol
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:35:05
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CakeAlexS
From that thread:
> Since I can't test X3c, I'm relying on information I've been gathering from various threads.
Could you please update your footer like mine to show your system specs, you are confusing me greatly with your scenario.
You need to be running and testing X3D from next week onwards, and not standing back and commenting from a previous version (nobody will take you seriously), otherwise I wouldn't expect too much for the future. So a demo will be coming out soon that will help you perhaps.
I have not upgraded to a newer version since X1 since I can't use Sonar while these bugs exist, hence relying on other people to verify whether it has been fixed. I did pay for upgrades for 3 years after reporting it based on promises that CW was looking into the bugs and it will be fixed. After 3 years I got tired of doing that just to find out each time that the bugs still have not been fixed. I'm not paying for a single upgrade again until I can verify these bugs have truly been fixed. Is that unreasonable of me? I'm hoping for an X3d demo so I can verify it myself. If not I'll have to rely on what other people report back.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:36:21
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> so you won't try to reproduce unless he updates his sig? lol
Those are your words which I suspect are designed to provoke, I have already politely requested stating my reasons. I don't wish to be confused,
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:37:26
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yeah but the bug is reproducible, sig or no, it seems like an avoidance tactic, take it how you like, it's the internet :)
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 12:38:33
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☄ Helpfulby lawp 2013/12/13 12:59:05
Whatever you say... I'm talking about something else clearly. My polite request still stands. I'm not denying there is a bug and frankly I don't care until X3D comes out.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 14:08:17
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
Silicon AudioWill we need special glasses?
Of course, it's 3d...
Bam! Andrew gets it :)
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 15:38:34
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That Keurig coffee maker was a great investment 
If you like spending more for your coffee.
Not if you buy it - if you invested in it. Really big difference!
Invest in the stocks or the Keurig itself? Who cares about the stocks for the Keurig. I would invest in the K-cups stocks. It's amazing how much people spend on them. You pay roughly 120 percent more for the coffee than the old way. That doesn't even count the damage to the environment the K-cups pose.
Besides, all they do is make coffee and coffee is pretty yuck. I know you can make hot chocolate and tea with the Keurig but they are used to make coffee. That makes them useless. ;-)
The idea is cool and I hope you enjoy your coffee.
It was a joke! I have no idea whether they have a Keurig coffeemaker or not. I was just thinking there might be a correlation between large amounts of caffeine and the frenetic pace of development. Actually, I don't even know if they drink coffee... I'll go back to drummer jokes...
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 15:59:20
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That Keurig coffee maker was a great investment
If you like spending more for your coffee.
Not if you buy it - if you invested in it. Really big difference!
Invest in the stocks or the Keurig itself? Who cares about the stocks for the Keurig. I would invest in the K-cups stocks. It's amazing how much people spend on them. You pay roughly 120 percent more for the coffee than the old way. That doesn't even count the damage to the environment the K-cups pose.
Besides, all they do is make coffee and coffee is pretty yuck. I know you can make hot chocolate and tea with the Keurig but they are used to make coffee. That makes them useless. ;-)
The idea is cool and I hope you enjoy your coffee.
It was a joke! I have no idea whether they have a Keurig coffeemaker or not. I was just thinking there might be a correlation between large amounts of caffeine and the frenetic pace of development. Actually, I don't even know if they drink coffee...
I'll go back to drummer jokes...
HAHA! But it's drum month...
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 16:11:44
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 16:12:50
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I can understand SlikTone's perspective. If the tool does not do the job you need, use another tool. Personally, I've found that the free version of Finale takes care of the issues that I have with the Staff View. I think that it is silly though to condemn an entire product that is usable by everyone except him as defective when it fails to perform such a bizarre function as his MIDI chaining requirements. Hey, it works for the rest of us and it sounds like he has found a solution that works for him.
Can't help but wonder though, if the bakers spent time on his one-off peculiar issues would he would sing another tune.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 16:15:47
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lawp
yeah but the bug is reproducible, sig or no, it seems like an avoidance tactic, take it how you like, it's the internet :)
Why don't you try it yourself? Not wanting to start a flame war but anyone who has interest in this subject are quite capable of doing their own testing yes?
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 16:29:30
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gcolbert
I can understand SlikTone's perspective. If the tool does not do the job you need, use another tool. Personally, I've found that the free version of Finale takes care of the issues that I have with the Staff View. I think that it is silly though to condemn an entire product that is usable by everyone except him as defective when it fails to perform such a bizarre function as his MIDI chaining requirements. Hey, it works for the rest of us and it sounds like he has found a solution that works for him.
Can't help but wonder though, if the bakers spent time on his one-off peculiar issues would he would sing another tune.
Glen
LOL, no. This is basic MIDI routing 101, and expecting a DAW to properly route MIDI from a VSTi plugin into another MIDI track hardly qualifies as " a bizarre MIDI routing requirement" nor a " one-off peculiar issue". Or doing something "bizarre" as recording MIDI from an external keyboard while a completely unrelated VSTi is feeding MIDI into a softsynth on a completely unrelated track. Or doing something "bizarre" as using, say, two instances of Catanya or two instances of any VSTis sending MIDI out. I'm not sure how you believe any of those qualify as "bizarre" or "one-off peculiar".
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 16:55:35
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The Email is here and it does have a lot of good deals. Thanks CW.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 16:57:08
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I'm not sure how you believe any of those qualify as "bizarre" or "one-off peculiar".
Well, over three years, I can remember a handful of posts related to MIDI output from VSTis. Seems to be a rather peculiar requirement to me. About as big a show stopper as not being able to edit the full staff in Staff View. It sounds like you have found a tool that does this for you, but it does not seem to be something that the vast majority of Sonar users need. Glen
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 17:13:04
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Well, over three years, I can remember a handful of posts related to MIDI output from VSTis. Seems to be a rather peculiar requirement to me.
Nevertheless appears valid assuming it is reproducible. If Sonar can't do something it is supposed to do I see no argument. I've given up arguing against edge use cases, most people perceive an edge use case as the way they personally don't want to do it or have never perceived it to be. If it is a valid workflow it is a valid workflow. This seems a little more major than not being able to edit something in a view, although that issue is quite valid as well (but as I don't use that facility every day I am not the one to ask).. It doesn't effect me right now but it might effect me tomorrow, I'm not looking for barriers in my creativity.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 17:20:49
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Bristol_Jonesey
Why don't you try it yourself?
there is no demo version yet
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 17:21:43
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Great job Cakewalk, keep up the good work! Sonar keeps getting better. X3 is awesome.
I know it's late to be expressing my wishes, after the patches have already been released, but here are my top two wishes:
1) When I start up X3 I'd like the audio engine to start up without me having to press space bar (to play) then 'P' (to load preferences) and Enter (to accept and dismiss preferences). This a minor inconvenience for me, and it adds about a minute to my start up time.
2) In PRV, provide more contrast to the active track in the track list on the right. It's definitely better than it was before X2, but It would be even better if a clashing color was used on the active track.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 17:38:25
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When I start up X3 I'd like the audio engine to start up without me having to press space bar (to play) then 'P' (to load preferences) and Enter (to accept and dismiss preferences). This a minor inconvenience for me, and it adds about a minute to my start up time.
I can just load a project and press spacebar and it works, so this seems to be your specific issue. I suggest you create a new thread for this.
In PRV, provide more contrast to the active track in the track list on the right. It's definitely better than it was before X2, but It would be even better if a clashing color was used on the active track.
I think the only way you are going to get that point across is to create a mockup image (before/afterwards compared), again another thread.
Cheers...
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 17:51:00
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SilkTone
gcolbertI can understand SlikTone's perspective. If the tool does not do the job you need, use another tool. Personally, I've found that the free version of Finale takes care of the issues that I have with the Staff View. I think that it is silly though to condemn an entire product that is usable by everyone except him as defective when it fails to perform such a bizarre function as his MIDI chaining requirements. Hey, it works for the rest of us and it sounds like he has found a solution that works for him. Can't help but wonder though, if the bakers spent time on his one-off peculiar issues would he would sing another tune. Glen
LOL, no. This is basic MIDI routing 101, and expecting a DAW to properly route MIDI from a VSTi plugin into another MIDI track hardly qualifies as "a bizarre MIDI routing requirement" nor a "one-off peculiar issue". Or doing something "bizarre" as recording MIDI from an external keyboard while a completely unrelated VSTi is feeding MIDI into a softsynth on a completely unrelated track. Or doing something "bizarre" as using, say, two instances of Catanya or two instances of any VSTis sending MIDI out. I'm not sure how you believe any of those qualify as "bizarre" or "one-off peculiar".
+1 this is basic stuff.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 18:27:31
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
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Anderton
That Keurig coffee maker was a great investment
If you like spending more for your coffee.
Not if you buy it - if you invested in it. Really big difference!
Invest in the stocks or the Keurig itself? Who cares about the stocks for the Keurig. I would invest in the K-cups stocks. It's amazing how much people spend on them. You pay roughly 120 percent more for the coffee than the old way. That doesn't even count the damage to the environment the K-cups pose.
Besides, all they do is make coffee and coffee is pretty yuck. I know you can make hot chocolate and tea with the Keurig but they are used to make coffee. That makes them useless. ;-)
The idea is cool and I hope you enjoy your coffee.
It was a joke! I have no idea whether they have a Keurig coffeemaker or not. I was just thinking there might be a correlation between large amounts of caffeine and the frenetic pace of development. Actually, I don't even know if they drink coffee...
I'll go back to drummer jokes...
HAHA! But it's drum month...
I guess I must be a drummer! ;-)
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 18:47:36
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lawp
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Why don't you try it yourself?
there is no demo version yet
Yes there is. It's $599 for shipping though.
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 18:55:24
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Still no email here. 
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 19:03:54
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mixmkr
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Re: X3D to be released next week!!
2013/12/13 19:06:21
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....... Wadda ya mean I have to stick the bass guitar on an edge track??... I wanna put it where I want to and not be told..... The glass is half full, not half empty. :-)
post edited by mixmkr - 2013/12/13 19:14:29
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