Beepster
And who the heck buys a defective fridge, car, air gun, etc and just say "Welp, dems the breaks". You return it and get what you paid for. We don't have that option and most of us WANT to use the product. I think it's great when it's working properly. I just want to do my thing without wrestling with glitches and having to find workarounds for every third feature.

chuckebaby

Beepster

twistofate
1-3 could have something to do with the snaps function "last touched" turn it off.2? set it up and save it in screentsets, it saves zoomed settings.4-wiggle my mouse.....next.5 haven't seen this happen yet.6 the crashing, if its crashing 10 times a day, it could be something other than sonar.a soundcard, a plug in, hard drive, ram. 

If you are referring to my post it is none of those things. They have all been confirmed by other users and I've had many a looong thread trying to resolve these problems (some where even bakers showed up). They are glitches with the software and need to be fixed. The graphics and user interaction parts of the program are unstable. It's like a project starts to slowly corrupt over time. Not sure what starts the downward spiral. Wish I did.

benjaminfrog

chuckebaby
 
1-3 could have something to do with the snaps function "last touched" turn it off.
2? set it up and save it in screentsets, it saves zoomed settings.
4-wiggle my mouse.....next.
5 haven't seen this happen yet.
6 the crashing, if its crashing 10 times a day, it could be something other than sonar.
a soundcard, a plug in, hard drive, ram.
 
don't get me wrong, ive had sonar crash just because of sonar before but typically continuous crashes are something other.
 
I do agree though, a little communication from the cakers would be nice.
and the lack of an update (yes even one) is a little concerning.
I cant say im not able to go about my day though and be very productive.
im not being held back by show stoppers, annoyed ? why yes I am.
there are several little quirks about x2 that gets on my nerves.
 
sorry man, not here to crash the party,
we do share some mutual feelings on the issue.
 

Hi Charlie,
 
Thanks for your response.
 
I don't use "last touched", so I doubt 1-3 are a result of it and a screenset to save zoom level seems impractical to me, as I zoom in and out to varying degrees all the time. Additionally, that approach doesn't seem like less of a workaround than zooming back in when it happens. Wiggling the mouse is not that big a deal; however, it's another workaround that wouldn't be necessary if they'd fix the bug, which is all I'm asking.
 
Regarding the crashes, I suppose a piece of hardware could be going; I've had the same setup for 3 years, so I'll keep that in mind. My guess, though, is that it has to do with a 3rd-party plugin or two as I have certain projects that crash frequently and others that never do. Whether that would be Cakewalk's responsibility or the 3rd-party developer's is a matter of debate.
 
I don't find any of these things to be showstoppers either; they're just, as you say, annoyances. Perhaps it's an unrealistic expectation, but I just wish they'd fix a few more bugs along the way. I know folks want them to "get it right", but do they have to get everything right before an update's worthy of release? Why not appease the masses from time to time with their work-in-progress?
 
Ben
 

wizard71
Given the discontent for many surrounding X2, I would be AMAZED if they had the cheek to release a paid upgrade aka X3 before releasing patches for X2 to actually iron out the many known and well documented bugs. How its taken them so long to address this can only be down to re-structuring the company as noted by someone in a previous post..... or at least I hope so, they seem pretty decent guys so im sure there is an explanation.... not that we will ever hear it.
You can bet your backside if the next release ends in 3 and not b then you will be asked to pay for the privilege. I for one can't see that happening, not only would that be morally wrong, it would also encourage many of the already disenchanted people to jump ship for good.
The fact that X2 and its reliability seems to depend just as much on the way you work within it as it does with its hardware compatibilities is a little disconcerting for me. I truly hope that Roland doesn't see cakewalk as an insignificant fish in the sea, because it is a great DAW for all it's faults and needs to be fully realised. If that happens, I can't see any other software touching it.

Bibs

Studious
Yes, all software has bugs.  But a company that communicates with its customers to continuously improve a product already in hand is one that gets my support.

ubuntu
The maintenance updates by Steinberg are much more frequent. Nuendo 6.0.0 was released a few months ago and today  6.0.5 was released. The same applies to Cubase 7, maintenance update 7.0.5 is now available.
So where is the Sonar X2b maintenance update?

--- Build 1493 - Thursday, 27 June 2013 19:55:21 UTC
- bugfixes

--- Build 1492 - Thursday, 27 June 2013 07:44:59 UTC
- sidebar/more machines: drag and drop to create a machine

--- Build 1491 - Wednesday, 26 June 2013 20:13:10 UTC
- bugfixes

--- Build 1490 - Wednesday, 26 June 2013 19:16:26 UTC
- sidebar/more machines progress (try loading an old song with missing machines)
- bugfixes

--- Build 1489 - Wednesday, 26 June 2013 14:55:11 UTC
- sidebar/more machines (preview, does not work yet)

--- Build 1488 - Sunday, 23 June 2013 15:28:29 UTC
- faster file i/o

--- Build 1487 - Tuesday, 11 June 2013 21:04:54 UTC
- optionally preserve gear.xml attributes when switching presets

SteveStrummerUK
 
 
We must be, without doubt, the most loyal and devoted group of customers of any product I can think of. And Cakewalk know it.