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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/25 02:25:52
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It looks like a platinum BUG, your audio interface is not responsible.
I'd like to know how you get to this conclusion. He's using a 5 year old driver which is rated for Windows 7 on a Windows 10 system and as MSorrels points out there is a known bug with the version of Play he is using - That he doesn't want to roll back from. If it were my system I'd explore other causes well before I leaped to the conclusion that this is somehow a PLATINUM issue.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/25 03:24:11
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It looks like a platinum BUG, your audio interface is not responsible.
I'd like to know how you get to this conclusion. He's using a 5 year old driver which is rated for Windows 7 on a Windows 10 system and as MSorrels points out there is a known bug with the version of Play he is using - That he doesn't want to roll back from.
If it were my system I'd explore other causes well before I leaped to the conclusion that this is somehow a PLATINUM issue.
If it were a driver or audio interface issue he would be experiencing it everywhere randomly, because he can repo at the same location it is in my opinion more towards a BUG ( inside : PLATINUM related to a instrument or routing or something he has that exposes this crash ). I could be wrong and i encourage rolling back and eliminating a Audio driver as a possible cause and any other suggestions that may help locate the cause of this crash, but i am confident that he may be able to remove the crash/bug by switching off instruments or at least know for sure its not a particular type of instrument causing the crash ! The only way he will solve this is by elimination, if he skips anything he may skip solving the problem !
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/25 17:25:11
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nonw of this is Kontakt. I can't figure that beast out. I'm only using EW Play.
So, I have multiple issues going on, and unfrotunately they've all gotten mushed into a single thread, mostly because I haven't been able to tell what's related and what isn't.
1) The crash I could repro by moving the now time to 18 minutes was indeed solved by splitting the project into two. I can no longer repro that particular issue.
2) The System and compressed memory spike in Task Manager which always portends an upcoming Sonar crash was made less frequent by going from 8 to 12 Gb RAM, but it still happens. I have learned that doing nothing but leaving the project open for a time is enough to cause the spike. (meaning: I can open this project, walk away, come back hours later, and will see SACM way up around 2-3 Gb, after which I will get a crash.) I am this morning in the process of freezing every EW Play track to see if Play is the culprit. Note: This issue was present prior to upgrading to Play 5.
3) My bassoon no longer loads - Play support sent me a new Bassoon folder, which fixed that problem. (Man, the EW support was responsive and helpful. Great experience there.)
4) The non-playing trails is still an issue, now that I know I should downgrad again to 4.3.5, I'll try that.
5) TTS crashes Sonar. After all the helpful comments here, I decided to avoid TTS entirely. I switched to Dim Pro's acoustic bass (thanks @Cactus Music!), but decided I liked the more orchestral-sounding Bass Violin in Play anyway, so I'm back to that. My harmonica was just a reference track prior to my recording live harmonica, so I'm living without it, maybe that will urge me on to get that track recorded sooner :-)
And to think in college I just needed to learn things like how to write a deceptive cadence in E flat....
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/25 17:32:58
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Hi. Regarding the spikes. Do you have Wi-Fi, or a wireless mouse? That could cause these spikes. Did you try LatencyMon from http://www.resplendence.com/downloads ? I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but what kind of AV program do you use? Have you excluded SONAR from beeing scanned? All the best.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/25 19:57:37
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Hi. Regarding the spikes. Do you have Wi-Fi, or a wireless mouse? That could cause these spikes.
Did you try LatencyMon from http://www.resplendence.com/downloads ?
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but what kind of AV program do you use? Have you excluded SONAR from beeing scanned?
All the best.
No wireless mouse, but a wireless solar keyboard, which has been giving me issues (duplicated keystrokes) the past few weeks. Swapped it out just now, rebooted, we'll see. I don't run antivirus software typically. I have one but I only run it manually every once in a while, like after I've downloaded something I'm not entirely comfortable with. OK, so after rebooting, I have my big Sonar project open, with every Play track frozen, and a wired keyboard, and i'm just going to let it stew for a while and see what happens. In a couple hours I'll check back and see if SACM crops up, and then I'll try adding things back in slowly to see what happens. I feel like I'm on the trail. If this were a binge-worthy Netflix show, I feel like I'm about 2 episodes from the end of the season. Let's hope there's no cliffhanger.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/25 22:51:09
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Update: After all this hassle, it looks like the problem may have boiled down to my wireless keyboard, of all things. Thanks to @Zargg! I played the project looped with all the tracks frozen and the SACM stayed low. So I un-froze everything and have been letting it play for an hour or two, it's higher than it was (300 Mb), but it hasn't spiked like it did.
I'm not totally convinced it's not going to spike up again at any moment, so I'm keeping an eye on it for a while, but so far so good.
Now if only I had a job...
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/25 23:02:04
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All hail Zargg! FWIW when you isolate a problem to a hardware component, it's likely that it's also causing other issues that you just haven't identified yet. Now I know why I used wired stuff as much as possible... 
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jkoseattle
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/25 23:30:48
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Spoke too soon. While the keyboard might be related, who knows, the SACM spike is still happening. It's definitely the EW Play instruments causing the trouble. I'm going to see if I can isolate it to a specific instrument, maybe there's something buggy with it, rather than it being a Play problem all up. Stay tuned.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/25 23:59:37
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1) The crash I could repro by moving the now time to 18 minutes was indeed solved by splitting the project into two. I can no longer repro that particular issue.
Can u Please elaborate on exactly what you did to split your project in two, so we can understand the workaround properly. jkoseattle
Update: After all this hassle, it looks like the problem may have boiled down to my wireless keyboard, of all things. Thanks to @Zargg! I played the project looped with all the tracks frozen and the SACM stayed low. So I un-froze everything and have been letting it play for an hour or two, it's higher than it was (300 Mb), but it hasn't spiked like it did.
I'm not totally convinced it's not going to spike up again at any moment, so I'm keeping an eye on it for a while, but so far so good.
Now if only I had a job...
You do have a job........its to hunt this down properly and know for sure whats causing this to happen! I still think you should take Zarggz advice. This is a powerful accurate tool that will let you know if you have PC problems that need attention. A) Run LatencyMon for 1 hour with just the PC on nothing else: Results should be under "800us highest" If its not the case let us know OR If and when that is the case ! B) Run LatencyMon for another hour with your project on loop and everything Unfrozen : Results should be under 800us highest. If its not the case let us know OR If and when that is the case ! C) If everything is still sweet and you want to be sure its the keyboard! Run latencyMon again for another hour with your project on loop and everything Unfrozen this time with the keyboard plugged into the same USB port ? Also if its your wireless keyboard maybe you have an IRQ conflict, which you can eliminate easily also !
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 03:19:59
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I'll run this LatencyMon thing as well.
Sigh... if I ever get this solved, I think my piece is going to be really cool.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 03:29:48
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 http://imgur.com/a/PZSyhRunning LatencyMon on a plain rebooted system with nothing running, I got this after running for about 2 seconds.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 03:42:44
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http://imgur.com/a/PZSyh
Running LatencyMon on a plain rebooted system with nothing running, I got this after running for about 2 seconds.
Please make sure in your BIOS all your memory enhancement options are disabled and intel boost and speed step is disabled . Go to Control panel and disable your LAN + WIFI then Run the test again until it goes into the RED: post results again once done. You have a PC problem that you need to solve: Highest reported should not exceed 1000us Maximum but should stay below 800us once the problem is solved.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 03:52:07
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Can u Please elaborate on exactly what you did to split your project in two, so we can understand the workaround properly.
I copied the project, then simply deleted everything after the split point in one, and everything before the split point in another. For the project with only the second half content in it, I also deleted all the tracks I no longer needed, which included all the EW Play tracks and instruments, since the second half was straightforward Midi outputting to my physical piano.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 04:52:53
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Please make sure in your BIOS all your memory enhancement options are disabled and intel boost and speed step is disabled .
Go to Control panel and disable your LAN + WIFI then Run the test again until it goes into the RED: post results again once done.
You have a PC problem that you need to solve: Highest reported should not exceed 1000us Maximum but should stay below 800us once the problem is solved.
I disabled the entire LAN connection and disabled SpeedStep. As for other "memory enhancement options", I don't know what that might be, so any more specific assistance might be required. Anyway, LatencyMon showed no different results after having done that. Also, if I disable the Local Area connection then I have no internet, so I have to re-enable it to be able to get online. Is that what you meant? There is no Wifi on this computer.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 05:01:37
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taccess
Please make sure in your BIOS all your memory enhancement options are disabled and intel boost and speed step is disabled .
Go to Control panel and disable your LAN + WIFI then Run the test again until it goes into the RED: post results again once done.
You have a PC problem that you need to solve: Highest reported should not exceed 1000us Maximum but should stay below 800us once the problem is solved.
I disabled the entire LAN connection and disabled SpeedStep. As for other "memory enhancement options", I don't know what that might be, so any more specific assistance might be required. Anyway, LatencyMon showed no different results after having done that.
Also, if I disable the Local Area connection then I have no internet, so I have to re-enable it to be able to get online. Is that what you meant? There is no Wifi on this computer.
Network Yes disable your internet cards in control panel then run the LatencyMon test again, You can enable the network card after the test . The NDIS you see in your last latencyMon video results is a network driver so you need to disable it and run the test again to see if there are any other issues causing latency mon to spike. Bios You should have a manual for your motherboard and it will explain all available settings, generally any CPU or Memory bios settings that enhance the PC are big problems for real time audio processing. USB Also i sent you a PM on how to make sure your USB devices are on seperate IRQ's, can you please do that also.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 05:10:55
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Just Make sure you disable network card in device manager before you run LatencyMon again.
Turning off the internet at the task bar is not enough !
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 05:34:32
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Ok, disabling the network makes so that my maximum DPC latency is < 200 after a full minute or two. Re-enabling it makes it shoot back it to ~6000 again. So that tells me that I can't run the internet on this computer if I also want to process audio? Should I be enabling and disabling this connection all the time depending on if I'm working on a Sonar project? I mean, if that's what I have to do I'll do it, but what a hassle. Tell me there's a better way.
I am having to learn about cow anatomy so that I can operate on the cow so that I can repair its lactation system so that it will supply me with enough milk that I can make a souffle. I don't want to know anything about cow anatomy. I just want to make a f--king souffle.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 06:00:25
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Ok, disabling the network makes so that my maximum DPC latency is < 200 after a full minute or two. Re-enabling it makes it shoot back it to ~6000 again. So that tells me that I can't run the internet on this computer if I also want to process audio? Should I be enabling and disabling this connection all the time depending on if I'm working on a Sonar project? I mean, if that's what I have to do I'll do it, but what a hassle. Tell me there's a better way.
I am having to learn about cow anatomy so that I can operate on the cow so that I can repair its lactation system so that it will supply me with enough milk that I can make a souffle. I don't want to know anything about cow anatomy. I just want to make a f--king souffle.
Some people don't and some have to disable network cards, i always disable mine when platinum is running! You need to run the LatencyMon test for 1 hour without any other programs, switch it on and go do something else, just check every now and again to see if its gone into the RED. The reason i say an hour is because 1 hour is as good as all day ! 2 minutes is not ! If LatencyMon runs for 1 hour in the GREEN, then fire up the Platinum project put it on loop playback where a section that uses most midi tracks and run LatencyMon again for another hour. After you get to this point with latencyMon still in the green then your PC is good to go. Remember as soon as it goes into the red its time to stop LatecnyMon find out WHY, in order to find out why you need to do something eg Disable something or update something or Optimize something and run the test again and keep repeating again until it does run in the green. You need to be dedicated to wanting LatencyMon in the green always and you will then achieve it. Keep notes of things you disable or optimze so you can reference to it once you solve this. My LatencyMon runs for 8 hours with platinum running and the highest is 600us on the worst day and 200us on the best. LatencyMon is the first place towards solving your problems because then you can say its not the PC. Please just make sure you check your USB devices are on seperate IRQ's. Good Luck !
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jkoseattle
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 14:42:51
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So I did just that, let my project play overnight with the network card disabled, and LatencyMon stayed in the green all night, though the highest "hard pagefault" scooted way up pretty quickly and was at 28k by morning. Also, SACM was 32 Mb after all night which was encouraging. Do I need to worry about hard pagefaults, or am I only concerned with DPC?
Moments after I re-enabled the network so I could send this, DPC went up to 6000.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 14:47:29
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jkoseattle
So I did just that, let my project play overnight with the network card disabled, and LatencyMon stayed in the green all night, though the highest "hard pagefault" scooted way up pretty quickly and was at 28k by morning. Also, SACM was 32 Mb after all night which was encouraging. Do I need to worry about hard pagefaults, or am I only concerned with DPC?
Moments after I re-enabled the network so I could send this, DPC went up to 6000.
The issue has been located then It might seem like a hassle to disconnect when using SONAR, but will keep SONAR running (hopefully) problem free if you do so 
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 15:13:22
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Somehow this didn't surprise me. Glad you finally figured it out and yes back in time we always told people to shut off the internet when testing.I guess a lot more people get away with leaving it on these days because most up to date hardware can handle the multi tasking. My self I have other computers I use for the internet and my DAW is a recording workstation and that is all it is, so it's off line 99% of its life.
I'm not sure if it's in Sonars documentation but running Latency Monitor should be a recommend practice for getting started with a DAW.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 16:07:08
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Somehow this didn't surprise me. Glad you finally figured it out and yes back in time we always told people to shut off the internet when testing.I guess a lot more people get away with leaving it on these days because most up to date hardware can handle the multi tasking. My self I have other computers I use for the internet and my DAW is a recording workstation and that is all it is, so it's off line 99% of its life.
I'm not sure if it's in Sonars documentation but running Latency Monitor should be a recommend practice for getting started with a DAW.
I agree. It should at least be a sticky.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 16:12:22
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So can this be marked "solve" so other people with a similar problem can find the solution?
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 16:51:57
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I am having to learn about cow anatomy so that I can operate on the cow so that I can repair its lactation system so that it will supply me with enough milk that I can make a souffle. I don't want to know anything about cow anatomy. I just want to make a f--king souffle.
The only thing better than one cow is two cows. Create a separate user profile in windows for going online. That way you don't have to constantly disable items when you want to do audio. You can just switch users. Much easier.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 17:13:25
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I spent a bunch of time this morning trying to automate the enabling and disabling of the NIC, but wasn't successful. I'm just giong to do this:
Windows key-X
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Network adapters
Right click the NIC
Enable or disable
The only remaining question is whether it's ok to stop playback, leave the Sonar project open, and turn on the NIC, do some internet stuff, then disable it again. Just sitting here typing this with the project open but not playing, my System and compressed memory shot up to 2 Gb again, so my project is just about to crash. I guess that answers my question. Exceedingly inconvenient.
Sonar Version: Platinum Audio Interface: M-Audio Delta Computer: Dell i5 3.1 GHz, 12Gb RAM, Windows 10 64-bit Soft Synths: EastWest PLAY Symphonic Orchestra MIDI Controllers: M-Audio 2x2 MidiSport Anniv Edition Settings: 16-Bit, Sample Rate 44.1k, ASIO Buffer Size 128-1024, Record/Playback I/O Buffers play:256k, rec: 64k, Total Round Trip Latency 48 ms Check out my work here
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 17:56:29
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jkoseattle
I spent a bunch of time this morning trying to automate the enabling and disabling of the NIC, but wasn't successful. I'm just giong to do this:
Windows key-X
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Network adapters
Right click the NIC
Enable or disable
The only remaining question is whether it's ok to stop playback, leave the Sonar project open, and turn on the NIC, do some internet stuff, then disable it again. Just sitting here typing this with the project open but not playing, my System and compressed memory shot up to 2 Gb again, so my project is just about to crash. I guess that answers my question. Exceedingly inconvenient.
This should be ok. Edit: I don't have this issue with my studio pc, which is connected permanently by cable.
Ken Nilsen ZarggBBZWin 10 Pro X64, Cakewalk by Bandlab, SPlat X64, AMD AM3+ fx-8320, 16Gb RAM, RME Ucx (+ ARC), Tascam FW 1884, M-Audio Keystation 61es, *AKAI MPK Pro 25, *Softube Console1, Alesis DM6 USB, Maschine MkII Laptop setup: Win 10 X64, i5 2.4ghz, 8gb RAM, 320gb 7200 RPM HD, Focusrite Solo, + *
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 17:59:18
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jkoseattle
I spent a bunch of time this morning trying to automate the enabling and disabling of the NIC, but wasn't successful. I'm just giong to do this:
Windows key-X
M
Network adapters
Right click the NIC
Enable or disable
The only remaining question is whether it's ok to stop playback, leave the Sonar project open, and turn on the NIC, do some internet stuff, then disable it again. Just sitting here typing this with the project open but not playing, my System and compressed memory shot up to 2 Gb again, so my project is just about to crash. I guess that answers my question. Exceedingly inconvenient.
I have an iPad just for browsing so I can keep my DAW off the internet except when updating/downloading new installs etc. An Android tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard can be had for really cheap these days.
Brando
Cakewalk, Studio One Pro, Reaper Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL ASUS Prime Z370-A LGA1151, 32GB DDR4, Intel 8700K i7, 500 GB SSD, 3 x 1TB HDD, Windows 10 Pro 64
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jkoseattle
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 20:21:57
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Zargg
This should be ok.
Edit: I don't have this issue with my studio pc, which is connected permanently by cable.
Oh, this PC is connected permanently by cable, not using wifi. Anyway, I am now unsure if this is resolved. I was working all morning on my piece with the NIC disabled, and for grins I looked in Task Manager, and lo and behold, System and compressed memory is up around 2 Gb, just like it's always been. This, as I've mentioned, is a precursor to a Sonar crash, and now apparently disabling the NIC and swapping out for a hard-wired keyboard did not fix it. At this point I immediately opened LatencyMon, and the DPC is sticking around 200, so all I know for sure now is that disabling the NIC makes LatencyMon happy. Nothing else is really solved yet. Throughout this whole thing, the max hard pagefault time has been very high all along, regardless of the NIC card or Play synths or anything. Is that something I should be looking at?
Sonar Version: Platinum Audio Interface: M-Audio Delta Computer: Dell i5 3.1 GHz, 12Gb RAM, Windows 10 64-bit Soft Synths: EastWest PLAY Symphonic Orchestra MIDI Controllers: M-Audio 2x2 MidiSport Anniv Edition Settings: 16-Bit, Sample Rate 44.1k, ASIO Buffer Size 128-1024, Record/Playback I/O Buffers play:256k, rec: 64k, Total Round Trip Latency 48 ms Check out my work here
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/26 23:47:50
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jkoseattle
and for grins I looked in Task Manager, and lo and behold, System and compressed memory is up around 2 Gb, just like it's always been. This, as I've mentioned, is a precursor to a Sonar crash,
I get it its your go to for a project crash ! But did platinum actually crash "THEN" ? if not then knowing every other time it did crash you can be confident that you have fixed your problem. and your "precursor" was coincidental ! If it did however crash "THEN" ! or you want to sort out the Precursor / hard page faults you can try this ! A)Precrursor 1) Open Resource Monitor 2) Click the memory TAB 3) Click the Hard Faults Processes Mini TAB ( So as maximum is descending ) 4) You can use this as an additional tool to help identify what is responsible for your precursor ! This is a powerful tool to display the nuts and bolts of whats going on in your PC ! B) LatencyMon HardPageFaults My HardPageFaults are 0 all day long everyday ! Now Depending on how much memory your PC has lets assume 16gb, Knowing your project size and knowing you have 40% memory usage. This is what i did: 1) Control panel >System and security>System>advanced system settings>Advanced TAB> "SELECT" back ground services > then click "CHANGE" virtual memory and make sure it is "NONE" / 0MB for any HDDs. See how this goes, run latencyMon for 20min or until you get a hardpagefault. If you do get a HardPageFault : A)You may need to increase your RAM B)You may need to disable programs that you do not need, which will free up more memory, and is highly recommended ! jkoseattle
Oh, this PC is connected permanently by cable, not using wifi.
I also use a different PC / laptop next to me for internet, my z800 has No AntiVirus and No Firewall. Its no big deal to switch something off for Audio Processing and back on again when needed you will get use to it real quick.
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Re: Yet more troubles - now TTS crashes Sonar
2017/08/27 09:21:18
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Zargg
This should be ok.
Edit: I don't have this issue with my studio pc, which is connected permanently by cable.
Oh, this PC is connected permanently by cable, not using wifi.
I just mentioned it, because not everyone has the same issue. Might be down to different HW. Should not be takes as an advice!
Ken Nilsen ZarggBBZWin 10 Pro X64, Cakewalk by Bandlab, SPlat X64, AMD AM3+ fx-8320, 16Gb RAM, RME Ucx (+ ARC), Tascam FW 1884, M-Audio Keystation 61es, *AKAI MPK Pro 25, *Softube Console1, Alesis DM6 USB, Maschine MkII Laptop setup: Win 10 X64, i5 2.4ghz, 8gb RAM, 320gb 7200 RPM HD, Focusrite Solo, + *
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