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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 13:15:06
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The Gobbler statement posted by McQ is disturbing and does indeed sound like they are attempting some lame arse pyramid type set up. I gotta wonder if perhaps they have been recently taken over by some seedy wannabe mega corporation that has no idea what the frack they are doing.
The other statement made by mettelus about not having their own servers, if true and not speculation, is absolutely outlandish. What the heck kind of serious data storage company would use a third party's servers? Cripes... maybe I should create my own data storage company and host it on freaking GoDaddy. Lololoolololoooollllll!!!1eleventy
Anyway, what despite my own disinclination to use cloud storage for the reasons I stated earlier and others above and beyond I agree with sharke's sentiment that if used correctly and not used as a sole form of backup there are a lot of benefits. Local storage can be wiped out by local catastrophe or media degradation so aside from keeping physical backups in another physical location AND occasionally moving the data around to different media (which could corrupt it in itself) cloud storage is a great idea. So many downsides though and one concern is jerkbag companies all of a sudden hijacking your data and forcing payment to retrieve it which they could bury into lengthy terms of service. When I was first reading about our new Gobbler space it seemed like that was a possibility (the free space would expire and then your data would be locked until you paid) but I do not remember the specifics.
Another thing that makes me paranoid is companies outright snooping around in my crud or sharing it around. I'm a law abiding individual and have nothing to hide but that just skeeves me the heck out.
But these have always been the struggles of data storage throughout the ages. Even before the library at Alexandria information has been vulnerable to manipulation, tragedy, unauthorized dissemination and outright malicious destruction. Fortunately we have far more options than ever that are more accessible to more people than ever but as always nothing is guaranteed, nothing is completely free and due diligence is required.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 13:23:39
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If Mr McCue is correct, I personally think it's only right and proper that CW got back 15% of the subscriptions of all the SONAR users who upgraded from the free account.
After all, they had to go to all the trouble of creating a Control Bar module for it.
It's also extremely marvellous to report that they didn't get a single brass farthing out of me.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 15:10:49
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Data integrity and seamless data migration are two core competencies of any reputable IT company which expects to survive... Just imagine getting such an email from your bank.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 15:16:41
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What I wonder about is that if hackers can hack into a bank (which they did to my bank) what makes people think that putting your data in a cloud will secure it. Also what happens if over time you don't pay your cloud bill? Does the data become the property of the cloud company?
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 15:22:13
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To be honest I took one look at the name "Gobbler", and translated in my head as "gobbles up your data".
Awful marketing.... not that I would use cloud services anyway.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 15:22:51
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I use Gobbler. I also use Box, Dropbox, and a couple other cloud services. Some are paid, some are the free intro accounts.
Even if they ALL closed their doors tomorrow I'd still have all my data, and in fact thanks to cloud storage my data is stored in more places than ever. It is a clear win as far as I am concerned.
Certainly it would be a lot more work for me to keep all my storage synchronized, but the main thing is that I still have all my data. I am not dependent on them for that piece at least.
I think Gobbler made a huge misstep with their announcement about ending Gobbler 1.0. I have no idea what they were thinking, but I'm glad they made the course correction as quickly as they did.
As far as where they store the data, again I could not care less, actually, I think I'd prefer that they focus on the application, and let others who are experts on data centers and data storage take care of that aspect.
It is a huge black eye for Gobbler, although I'm not quite ready to give up on them. It is a smaller black eye for Cakewalk, but they'll survive it.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 15:36:46
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SteveStrummerUK
If Mr McCue is correct, I personally think it's only right and proper that CW got back 15% of the subscriptions of all the SONAR users who upgraded from the free account.
After all, they had to go to all the trouble of creating a Control Bar module for it.
It's also extremely marvellous to report that they didn't get a single brass farthing out of me.
To date I've never been able to work out what that Gobbler control bar thingy did. You turn it on, it's off again when you load the project. There's nothing it doesn't do that can't be done just as easily in the Gobbler app that's in your system tray. I never used it once.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 15:38:00
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John
What I wonder about is that if hackers can hack into a bank (which they did to my bank) what makes people think that putting your data in a cloud will secure it. Also what happens if over time you don't pay your cloud bill? Does the data become the property of the cloud company?
The biggest security breach with most online banking is the user via their passwords. Backdoors are a lot harder to find/penetrate but it still happens. So with something like a cloud storage account again the user password is a breach point but I'd imagine most companies that offer storage to the general public like Gobbler would not have anywhere near the security a bank would. Companies that specialize in high security data storage for other companies (like banks) would be far better but of course you are going to pay far more... and you still have the possibilty the hackers will find a vulnerability. So yeah... as usual anything accessible through the internet can be hacked. I however don't get TOO concerned about someone nosing through my audio data because in the off chance someone would actually go out of their way to steal a song I wrote I've started taking measures to establish when I wrote things. Not full on copyright for each musical brainfart I come up with necessarily (which is "bleeping" expensive) but little things like burning to disc with a timestamp or uploading to places like Soundcloud, putting the ole Copyright info in the tags and setting it to private if I don't want it out in public yet. I also have registered for one of the Canucker songwriters guilds which is free nor costs anything to register music with so they'll have a record of things too. It's all about what you can prove in court.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 15:42:37
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Beepster
Another thing that makes me paranoid is companies outright snooping around in my crud or sharing it around. I'm a law abiding individual and have nothing to hide but that just skeeves me the heck out.
I have a website hosted by Hostgator. A few years ago I was looking in my site directories via an FTP client and happened to notice a folder I didn't recall uploading. Inside was a bunch of HTML files which, when opened, turned out to be the layout and copy of what appeared to be a Russian porn site specializing in incest. It was basically everything except the photos themselves. I immediately called Hostgator and asked them what in the hell they were doing there. They just denied all knowledge and said they had no idea. Ever since then I've been vividly aware that someone could be creeping around your private online space at any time.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 15:51:51
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Beepster
John
What I wonder about is that if hackers can hack into a bank (which they did to my bank) what makes people think that putting your data in a cloud will secure it. Also what happens if over time you don't pay your cloud bill? Does the data become the property of the cloud company?
The biggest security breach with most online banking is the user via their passwords. Backdoors are a lot harder to find/penetrate but it still happens. So with something like a cloud storage account again the user password is a breach point but I'd imagine most companies that offer storage to the general public like Gobbler would not have anywhere near the security a bank would. Companies that specialize in high security data storage for other companies (like banks) would be far better but of course you are going to pay far more... and you still have the possibilty the hackers will find a vulnerability.
So yeah... as usual anything accessible through the internet can be hacked. I however don't get TOO concerned about someone nosing through my audio data because in the off chance someone would actually go out of their way to steal a song I wrote I've started taking measures to establish when I wrote things. Not full on copyright for each musical brainfart I come up with necessarily (which is "bleeping" expensive) but little things like burning to disc with a timestamp or uploading to places like Soundcloud, putting the ole Copyright info in the tags and setting it to private if I don't want it out in public yet. I also have registered for one of the Canucker songwriters guilds which is free nor costs anything to register music with so they'll have a record of things too.
It's all about what you can prove in court.
I agree about the theft of a song but people store all sorts of things. If clouds were simply just a place for music storage it wouldn't be a big enough business to bother. MS has a cloud I'm sure Apple does as well. I doubt people use them for song storage. Heck in this thread the notion of backup is mentioned. Backup of what? If its whole sale backup than all kinds useful data will be in clouds. Its just a matter of if a hacker wants it.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 15:53:12
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sharke
Beepster
Another thing that makes me paranoid is companies outright snooping around in my crud or sharing it around. I'm a law abiding individual and have nothing to hide but that just skeeves me the heck out.
I have a website hosted by Hostgator. A few years ago I was looking in my site directories via an FTP client and happened to notice a folder I didn't recall uploading. Inside was a bunch of HTML files which, when opened, turned out to be the layout and copy of what appeared to be a Russian porn site specializing in incest. It was basically everything except the photos themselves. I immediately called Hostgator and asked them what in the hell they were doing there. They just denied all knowledge and said they had no idea. Ever since then I've been vividly aware that someone could be creeping around your private online space at any time.
Well that's creepy and unnerving. I can't even fathom why someone would do that? Trying to piggyback their site on your account? Hostgator using your account as a storage dump? Weird... either way I'm gonna keep that in mind when I finally pick a host for my crud.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 16:01:00
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John
I agree about the theft of a song but people store all sorts of things. If clouds were simply just a place for music storage it wouldn't be a big enough business to bother. MS has a cloud I'm sure Apple does as well. I doubt people use them for song storage.
Heck in this thread the notion of backup is mentioned. Backup of what? If its whole sale backup than all kinds useful data will be in clouds. Its just a matter of if a hacker wants it.
Yeah, I gotta wonder about storing something like a system image online. If someone snags it and does a bare metal install on another system or something I'd imagine if there was any user history/stored passwords/whatever they'd just be able to do whatever nefarious mayhem they want. This is why I like the whole running an OS from a USB key or disc for any sensitive activities. Even then I've been led to believe these things can be swiped from modems/routers. Meh... best to just operate under the assumption everything you do anywhere at anytime can be watched, heard, accessed, etc unless you are in a locked room with the lights out under a blanket not making any noise. lulz... PROGRESS!
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 16:11:59
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Don't worry they have thermal cameras for that.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 16:24:15
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/11/14 20:46:44
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/14 16:29:16
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John
Don't worry they have thermal cameras for that.
No one wants to see what's going on underneath that blanket.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/15 01:48:08
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In case anyone's wondering when the Windows version of Gobbler 2.0 will be available, I found this on their Facebook page from October 13 in reply to someone who asked them:
"We are working on it! Hopefully in the next 6-8 weeks. We are in the process of looking for a developer to build it for us."
This is a month ago. Not in the process of building it. But looking for a developer to build it. Have they even found a developer yet? Who knows.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/25 03:19:29
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Might not be the correct place for this but I thought it would be interesting for those of us who have used Gobbler and simply aren't happy with what's been going on rather than starting a new thread where some of us who use it might have missed it. Today I was introduced to a possible alternative to Gobber called wavestack.com. It seems to be a hybrid of Gobbler and Soundcloud with the way it's designed. After reading a bit and toying with it and their app, it's looking pretty promising even for being just in beta. You can sign up on there and they are having a bit of a promotion on Reddit for people who beta test it saying they will get "special treatment and freebies". Might be worth some of you guys looking into as well. If it does turn out to be a good product, might be worth Cakewalk looking into options if Gobbler can't get their stuff together.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will [now NOT] be deleted after December 1st
2014/11/25 08:04:51
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I'm lonely here, but I like gobbler and expect to remain a customer.
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Re: Your Gobbler 1.0 files will be deleted after December 1st
2014/12/17 14:58:57
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I cannot use OR get rid of Gobbler 1, it keeps wanting to access a path to a gobbler.msi that does not appear to be on my system. QUITE a rickety piece of software as well, from the looks of the Gobbler web site. I am NOT a happy camper.
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