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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 00:42:25
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 00:47:35
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Anyone check out the current no-brainer Bias PitchCraft? Its the full version, not the lite.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 01:51:37
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Is it good? or better yet, is it very good? Searched for reviews, not much out there about it. EDIT: Sorry, there appears to a few active topics in this thread. I'm referring to this BIAS Pitchcraft? ($20) Thanks.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 08:01:53
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TheSteven
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mine is the same way - I can load the 670 on its own, but only my EQ is showing up in the shell - I should have the Classic EQ, the Classic Comp and the 670 available to load in the shell, but only the EQ is there.
Make sure that the VST for the 670 is located in the same folder as the T-RackS 3 Shell.
I inadvertently installed mine in a different folder (odd how IK doesn't install it in the correct folder automatically) and had the same problem.
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Steve, apparently you missed the post where I said later that I resolved it
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 08:05:21
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I thought the last thing I needed was another compression plug-in. This thing ROCKS on the mix bus!
Ok, so let's see what's the next crazy deal. :P
It's already posted:
http://www.audiomidi.com/cust_search/PitchCraft-No-Brainer-P16363.aspx
and the KVR post:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=323030
HTH
I saw the bias pitchcraft email this morning. for $20 I thought about getting it, but I don't even use my melodyne that I paid good money for, so I'm not sure why I really want this... regarding the KVR post - I must be stupid or something but I really don't understand the "culture" on that forum. or better yet, I really don't understand a da#$ thing they're saying until later in the thread where I finally "get" that they're complaining that it's not worth buying. I guess it's "beneath" them or something? I don't know, suffice it to say I just don't understand the mentality there. I never have.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 10:18:31
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Saw it. But the only vocalist I record is my fiancée and she has a built-in autotune. ;) Or then myself, and that's beyond repair.
Oh well, I'll keep the money and buy 2 of the next.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 10:20:15
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I just don't understand the mentality there I feel the same way about the Coffee House. But you know, it's still good to experience foreign cultures, even if it means eating something weird once in a while.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 11:01:32
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bitflipper
I just don't understand the mentality there
I feel the same way about the Coffee House. But you know, it's still good to experience foreign cultures, even if it means eating something weird once in a while.
Shirley you don't mean "becan"!!!!
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 20:04:31
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bitflipper
How would you describe the tone the 670 imparts on audio?
I would say it's a fast limiter that does a good job preserving transients. I'd say it's capable of compressing mid and side components independently.
Of course, acknowledging that many people who buy plugins are clueless about how they work or what they do, I'd then add that it has an undefinable mojo that {insert well-known celebrity endorsee} describes as "musical". I'd also try to work in "warm", "character", "vintage", "smooth" and "U2" somehow.
I agree with your description but you make it sound like an entirely clean compressor. The 670 definitely adds a bit of character to the sound.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 20:36:59
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IK Obi
I agree with your description but you make it sound like an entirely clean compressor. The 670 definitely adds a bit of character to the sound.
Absolutely. I already had Logic's compressor set up as an insert on a few tracks and one set to emulate the SSL bus on the mix buss. While it's good at emulating the behavior of various classic compressors (FET, Opto, etc), on it's own, it doesn't really add anything interesting to the sound. So when I replaced the compressor that was on the mix buss with the 670, even with very very subtle settings, it's like all the individual compressors on each track suddenly came to life. The 670 definitely added something to the equation.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 22:56:17
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The 670 definitely adds a bit of character to the sound No, it adds some pleasant harmonic distortion to the sound. "Character" is about as informative as "mojo". I have been described as a "character", and it wasn't meant to be a compliment.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 23:03:00
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Didn't get a chance to get the shell but I got the 670.......just like a fine wine- sweet with a little edge, only in the aural spectrum and not the taste one. You guys will need to forgive me, Ive spent way too much time in the CH.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 23:24:49
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Is PitchCraft a real product?
I searched for a review in all the usual places and found nothing...
Either it's a sleeper or it's really bad.
Anybody?
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Glyn Barnes
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/09 23:53:19
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M@ B
I searched for a review in all the usual places and found nothing...
There is a review of the EZ version here http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug10/articles/pitchcraft.htm The SOS article give the list price of EZ as 70 pounds ($112, dump the VAT and its $93 ). The list price of the full version AudioMidi is selling is $149.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 00:52:19
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Thanks Glyn, I came across that one too. I was hoping to see what the general consensus is among users. those reviews seem to be non existent. That suggests two things to me, either it's unknown and might be good or it's known to be bad. But the strange thing is that there's no bad reviews either. I found this review of the full version of PitchCraft, though it's part of the review of BIAS Master Perfection Suite: http://www.soundonsound.c...8/articles/biasmps.htm
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 01:28:02
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Well, between Autotune and Melodyne, and considering that most DAW software now offer their own pitch-correction plug-in, there isn't a lot of room left for good/average.
The last 2 sentences pretty much sum it up: "If your DAW doesn’t have built-in pitch correction, the most obvious rival for PitchCraft EZ is Antares’ Auto-Tune EFX, which is likewise a simplified version designed for ease of use. If you need something more precise that requires some off-line work, Celemony’s Melodyne is still the one to beat."
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 01:46:47
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Yeah, I was trying to find out how it sizes up to Melodyne myself.
But according to the thread at KVR, where a few people actually bought it and others DL'd the trial version, it was mainly negative; a few 'ok/good', a couple of 'not good' and a couple of 'stay away/sucks/don't waste your money/use freeware instead.'
I guess that's enough for me...
I'll pass.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 13:03:46
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bitflipper
"Character" is about as informative as "mojo". I have been described as a "character", and it wasn't meant to be a compliment.
Beyond the knowledge shared/gained, it's nuggets like this that make online forums so enjoyable. Kudos, bitflipper.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 14:17:08
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...the most obvious rival for PitchCraft EZ is Antares’ Auto-Tune EFX... Another close rival would be Kerovee, which is a freebee. It's primary application is T-Pain/Cher yodelling.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 17:53:21
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IK Obi
I agree with your description but you make it sound like an entirely clean compressor. The 670 definitely adds a bit of character to the sound.
Absolutely. I already had Logic's compressor set up as an insert on a few tracks and one set to emulate the SSL bus on the mix buss. While it's good at emulating the behavior of various classic compressors (FET, Opto, etc), on it's own, it doesn't really add anything interesting to the sound. So when I replaced the compressor that was on the mix buss with the 670, even with very very subtle settings, it's like all the individual compressors on each track suddenly came to life. The 670 definitely added something to the equation.
Yeah it definitely adds some weight to the sound. Harmonic distortion of course. :)
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 20:46:13
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This is a little off-topic but if anyone can help, that would be great. Would a plug-in like the 670 help with a situation where the song has been recorded and it sounds muddy or like it has some static (it's a hard rock song with a lot of distortion)? Is this something that can be taken care of in post-production or is this something that has to be taken care during the recording process?
Thanks for any help you can offer.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 20:56:36
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That's not the sort of thing the 670 would help with. Once a track has been distorted, you're stuck with it and there is very little you can do after the fact. You might want to post a short section for us to hear, and we might have some advice based on that.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 21:08:38
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+1 completely agree with dave. once a cake has been baked, you can't take out the eggs.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 21:19:00
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Well, that's kinda what I thought but I figured I'd ask.
Thanks for the help guys...I really appreciate it.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/10 22:15:51
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kurrykid
This is a little off-topic but if anyone can help, that would be great. Would a plug-in like the 670 help with a situation where the song has been recorded and it sounds muddy or like it has some static (it's a hard rock song with a lot of distortion)? Is this something that can be taken care of in post-production or is this something that has to be taken care during the recording process?
Thanks for any help you can offer.
If there is distortion in the recording that is an artifact of bad recording, then your stuck with it. If the distortion is not there when the track is solo'd, then you can fix things. Back down levels. To clear up mud or congestion, use your eq and free up bandwidth for certain instruments to use certain frequencies. This one is tricky because first you have to eq the instrument if need be (corrective eq). Then you need to eq parts or sections again so each part or section has it's own space. To me, this is the hardest part. You have to make room so everything has it's own frequency sweet spot and can be heard. The graph would have peaks and dips. Trial and error. Sometimes to much reverb can congest a mix up.
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/11 10:25:10
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How does the 670 compare to the Black_76 ?
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/11 10:54:59
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They are both two different flavors of compressors. You can download both to demo them for a few days to compare if you'd like. :)
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/11 12:32:50
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Thanks Obi, I was planning on demo'ing the Black 76 (I already have the 670) as I have about a 100 jam points and wondered if the 76 is worth getting.
Does anyone use the 76 as your "goto" compressor or....?
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/11 14:29:06
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I use the black 76 but I can't say it's a "goto" yet. All three, the white, black, 670 have their own characteristics. The verdict is still not out but I do like the white on the drum bus.
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IK Obi
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Re:audioMIDI no brainer!
2011/07/12 11:43:35
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I love the black on vocals! I have been reaching for it more and more when I was testing it and now its in just about every project. Really shines on vocals, drums, guitars and bass too!
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