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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:16:30 (permalink)
Whats reading connecting, im baffled by that
Cj
It should automaticly just connect, what window says connecting
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:21:33 (permalink)
Hmm, I have no clue either.

Man, I really thought this unit was gonna be easy to setup...

The stuff I showed you seemed right?
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:25:22 (permalink)
Yea, its Dead on, But what is saying connecting, because i never seen anything say that before, which leads me to believe something is wrong elsewhare with your config. It is easy to set-up, just a few clicks, thats why im baffled
When you go into tools menu in sonar, does it have Mackie Control 1 listed in the bottom
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:31:14 (permalink)
I got an idea, Go into your TTSSEQ.INI and see if it has your BCF2000 listed in it.. Also, go into your midi registry and make sure the BCF drivers are there
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:31:31 (permalink)
Oh, Well, all i did was just adding Contolller/Surface Status to the toolbar, just so I know if it's connected or not..

Yup, when I click on the Tools menu, I see Mackie Control - 1 at the bottom
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:34:16 (permalink)
Take it off the toolbar, youll know when its connected, the faders will jump into place. Gave me a heart attack the first time i did it. I wasnt expecting it
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:37:58 (permalink)
Okay, I took the status bar out.

But right now it doesn't look like it's connected...
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:38:05 (permalink)
Something is not right, so just follow these step by step. If you do everything this says, it will work. (It should)

Here is the order of events to get a BCF2000 set up with sonar. If your BCF2000 already has V1.07 or higher firmware loaded, you may want to skip to Step #4 below:

1. USB DRIVER INTSTALLATION:

If you are using a Windows computer, start by downloading and installing the latest USB MIDI Driver from our web site: http://www.behringer.com/05_support/bc_download/bc_downloads.cfm?lang=ENG#BCFanker. Macintosh OS X users do not need a driver, OS X already has the necessary USB/MIDI support built in.

2. DOWNLOAD TRANSFER UTILITY SOFTWARE:

Next, download a copy of our BCF2000 "Update Utility" from our website. This software will allow you to transfer the BCF2000 upgrade file into your BCF2000. This Update Utility software is available at the same link as mentioned above: http://www.behringer.com/05_support/bc_download/bc_downloads.cfm?lang=ENG#BCFanker

If you are a Windows user and do not wish to use the Update Utility to load the SysEx operating system firmware update into the BCF2000, you can alternatively download a general tool like MIDI-OX:

http://www.midiox.com

Mac users can use SysEx Librarian or MIDI Dump for this file transfer, which are two popular and free transfer tool options for transferring the upgrade/SysEx file:

http://www.snoize.com/SysExLibrarian
http://www.osxaudio.com/index.php?story=752

3. PERFORM THE UPGRADE FILE TRANSER FROM COMPUTER TO BCF2000:

Now you are ready to transfer the latest firmware into the BCF2000. The latest firmware version for the BCF2000 is the SysEx file V1.10 as of this writing. Again, for Windows platforms, use the Update Utility or MIDI-OX, etc. Mac users, use MIDI Dump or SysEx Librarian as mentioned previously.

If you are using a USB connection, set the BCF2000 to USB Mode #1. See page 8 in the manual for details. If the USB connection does not work for this process, you can use the 5-pin MIDI connection for the file transfer instead.

After the file transfer is complete, you can power up the B-Control in one of the four "emulation modes" - one of which is specifically designed for use with Cubase / Nuendo.

4. LOAD EMULATION MODE FOR SONAR:

Next, configure your BCF2000 for "emulation mode" for Sonar. Emulation modes are a new feature recently added to the BCF2000! This feature is described in detail in the Emulation Modes Quick Guide, and this guide as well as other critical instructions are available at the following link to our website: http://www.behringer.com/05_support/bc_download/bc_downloads.cfm?lang=ENG#BCFanker

***further information is within each download, so we recommend you read these carefully!***

EMULATION MODES:

There are five total modes of operation available for the BCF2000 once V1.07 or higher firmware is installed. FOUR emulation modes are available in addition to the "BC" mode which is the BCF2000's default B-Control mode, for a total of FIVE modes. Accessing emulation modes is a fairly simple process, and exactly how the BCF2000 is configured for this mode for a given software applications is illustrated in the following diagram:


For the various modes, the letters in quotation marks below will appear on the BCF2000 display. These modes are described as follows :

1) "BC"

B-Control Mode> Various: This is the 'default' mode. The BCF2000 functions as described in the owner's manual.

2) "MCC"

Mackie Control> Cubase: This is the emulation mode for Cubase/Nuendo software.

3) "LC"

Logic Control> Logic: This is the emulation mode for Logic software.

4) "MCSo"

Mackie Control> Sonar: This is the emulation mode for Sonar software!

5) "bhuI"

BabyHUI Mode> Pro Tools (and others): This is the emulation mode for some versions of Pro Tools. This is also a more basic alternative to the Mackie Control Emulation Mode for Cubase/Nuendo, etc

For Sonar, you want "MCSo" displayed on your BCF2000 before proceeding. Once you have got this indication showing on the BCF2000 display, you must make one final setting adjustment which varies depending on the software used. For Sonar:

YOU MUST ADD A "MACKIE CONTROL" REMOTE INTERFACE IN THE SONAR SOFTWARE IN ORDER TO ALLOW COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BCF2000 AND SONAR (INSTEAD OF USING THE SOFTWARE'S 'CAKEWALK GENERIC REMOTE' INTERFACE AS IN "BC" MODE).

ONCE THE MACKIE CONTROL INTERFACE FEATURE HAS BEEN ENABLED IN SONAR, THEN 'SELECT' THE BCF2000 AS THE MIDI INPUT/OUTPUT DEVICE FOR THIS 'MACKIE CONTROL' INTERFACE...

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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:46:24 (permalink)
Yup

Just reinstalled the USB driver, updated the firmware again.

Started the unit in NCSo emulation.. (the faders moved back to the bottom position)

Went into Sonar, selected the Midi In/Out, added the control surface once again.

the faders etc didn't lock back to its proper state.... I guess it's still not connected

If I move the faders now, it'll just move back to the bottom position
post edited by amarone - 2007/04/23 23:48:49
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:53:03 (permalink)
Yep, thats what it does if its not connected...You need to delete the other drivers from ini. I think sonar is confused with all the installs and un-installs. After that, i have no idea.
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/23 23:55:33 (permalink)
Which INI file should I be looking for?

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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 00:00:59 (permalink)
TTSSEQ.INI, Delete all the BCF2000's and then start sonar up with the bcf connected
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 00:06:12 (permalink)
CJ

Thanks very much for your time and help but even after wiping out the ini,

the unit is still not connected...
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 03:22:29 (permalink)
I use the BCF2000 as an ACT controller all the time. I use the standard mode, no emulations (bC button on power-up), choose the the BCF2000 preset in the ACT properties page, and select preset #3 on the BCF2000. Also, I know you tried different ports, but for now, don't use a hub at all until you get this sorted out. Many devices seem to pout unless they have a direct USB connection.
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 10:12:12 (permalink)
Anderton,

Oh, but ACT does not provide bi-direction communication right? Meaning the faders will not be motorized?


ya, actually I meant hubs as in different USB outlets on the mobo... not the actual hubs.. the unit is currenly connected to the computer..

Thanks for the advice. I'll try preset 3
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 13:54:45 (permalink)
Correct, ACT is not bi-directional, so forget what I said about preset 3. If you want moving faders, you need to use Mackie Emulation mode. But I feel your pain when you have some piece of high tech gear and it doesn’t work the way you want, so I’ve written up some instructions here. Let me know if this works for you!! I hope it does!

USING THE BCF2000 WITH SONAR

1. Turn on the BCF2000 while holding down the fourth button from the left, upper row. Keep holding this down at least until the software version (1.10) shows in the display.
2. If the display then shows EG, turn the BCF2000 off and turn it back on WITHOUT holding down any buttons. The display should now show MCSo.
3. Check that in the row of LEDs below the four switches below the display, USB Mode is illuminated.
4. If the USB mode light is on and the display says MCSo, you’re ready to open Sonar.
5. Open Sonar
6. Go Options > MIDI Devices.
7. The BCF2000’s MIDI ports will show up as “USB Audio Device.” Check “USB Audio Device” for both the input and output device.
8. Go Options > Controllers/Surfaces.
9. Click on the New button.
10. Under Controller/’Surface, select Mackie Control – NOT Mackie Control XT or Mackie Control C4. Also select USB Audio Device for the Input and Output Port parameters.
11. Verify that in the Controllers/Surfaces window, the Controller Surface field shows Mackie Contrll and the In Port and Out Port show USB Audio Device. Check W as well so the “Where Am I” function is enabled. If all is well, click on Close.
12. Go Views > Toolbars and check “8. Controllers/Surfaces.”
13. In the main Controllers/Surfaces toolbar field, select Mackie Control if it isn’t already.
14. Choose a track that has some audio in it and click on the W (write automation) button.
15. Click on Play and move the BCF2000 fader associated with that track.
16. On playback, the fader should move to reflect your automation moves.

Also note that you can set up the BCF2000 as an ACT controller, and switch between that and Mackie Control emulation in the Controllers/Surfaces toolbar main field. Good luck!
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 14:03:47 (permalink)
Anderton,

Actually I tried all that already but I'll try again as soon as i'm off work and see if I can get it working.
Sonar / Mackie Control just wouldn't connect..
post edited by amarone - 2007/04/24 14:05:52
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 14:38:17 (permalink)
Well...just try going through it one more time, step by step as described above...and if it doesn't work, I think you're likely looking at a mechanical problem or defective unit...unless it works with other programs and such. You do have 6.2.1, right?
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 14:42:18 (permalink)
Actually I'm using 6.2 but I'll upgrade that patch later on when I'm home.

Will definitely try to go through that process you listed and see if it's any better this time. thanks!

Ya I'm pretty sure it's not a mechanical problem.. it works in Adobe Audition 2.0...
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 14:56:38 (permalink)
I think steps 1-3 might be the crucial element here. If the display says EG, it doesn't seem like it can connect. And you want to make sure the USB light is on.
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 15:40:40 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: amarone
For the control surface, I've seleted both in/out with BCF2000 [01]

On the unit, NCSo is in red, and there's a green light for USB mode (no light for Midi IN, A, B, nor Foot SW, Ctrl)

There are also red lights on all rotary knobs.

In Control Panel/Sounds and Audio Devices/Audio, under Midi Music Playback, I've also selected BCF2000 [01]


In Sonar, I've selected Midi inputs/outputs with BCF2000 [01] at the top of my list

Control surfaces, I have Mackie Control -1 for Controller/Surface, in port and outport with BCF2000 [01] (ACT grayed out, WAI checked)


From the pic you posted, everything looks good with the setup under control surfaces.
Everything also looks good under MIDI devices.
All the LEDs on the BCF look good.

The one difference between your setup and mine is the MIDI Music Playback setting in the Windows control panel. This shouldn't be causing your grief, but it's a bad idea. You don't want Windows grabbing your hardware when you don't want it to. Under the Sounds tab, select the scheme 'no sounds', and under the MIDI Music Playback setting, choose anything other than the BCF and/or the M-audio.

Last ditch effort, you could try disconnecting the USB entirely, and go MIDI in and out of your M-audio. I believe you need to set the BCF to MIDI mode to do this. I don't know how to off the top of my head, but it's likely in the manual.


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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 17:27:24 (permalink)
I would love to help him, but he is using Sonar 6 and I haven't experimented with Sonar 6 and the BCF2000 outside of Mackie Mode. I stayed with Sonar 5.2 because of the BCF2000 problems people were having with Sonar 6 initially.

I know there is a newer BCF2000 driver that Behringer has been e-mailing to folks iwth Sonar 6, and I know that the BCF2000 will work with ACT and with Generic Controller mode together becuase others have done it, but I will wait to see what happens with Sonar 7 and my BCF2000.

From what's been posted, it sounds like the BCF2000 is not working properly in Mackie mode or Generic mode either.

Make sure that you have the uint on and the BLUE scribble strip has been opened BEFORE you open Sonar. THAT IS A MUST!

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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 17:34:15 (permalink)
The God has spoken. But the BCf does work eith Sonar6.2.1, with no problems on my side, so maybee there is something wrong with your bcf, but you did get it to work in another program, so that kinda rules that out a bit. Must be something with your pc in combination with sonar or your usb hub or something else, or maybee it everything else, or maybee im just babling, because i have no idea what the hell im talking about.
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 18:49:08 (permalink)
I've been having a little look at this thread and suspect that you have a faulty unit.

Some time ago I had a friends BCF that he could not get working and managed to do all the updates etc. (via MIDI) and also used the 1.2.1.3 drivers that Behringer sent me. I did get the unit working on my PC but when the unit went back to my friend - nothing! We tried everything that has been mentioned here and more. When I brought the unit back here it would no longer work on my PC either. When it would'nt work we both had exactly the same perpetual "connecting" report in the controller dialogue box.

I managed to get Behringer to change the unit FOC even though it was out of warranty! Since then no problems at all on either PC. I have passed on the 1.2.1.3 drivers to a few others and know that they have sorted out one or two similar (but not identical) problems.

If I were you I would get the unit changed out. As far as I am aware only a few users of Sonar 6 have had problems and I have the impression that those are now sorted with 6.2.1. Certainly no problems here, even with 6.0.0 when I had the unit here. My friend is also using 6.2.1 with no problem.
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 20:25:11 (permalink)
Thanks for all the help you guys advocated but the unit is not working with sonar under Mackie Control...

I just have no clue.. I tried everything, including updating the "new driver" but it just doesn't seem to work.
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 20:34:50 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: amarone

Thanks for all the help you guys advocated but the unit is not working with sonar under Mackie Control...

I just have no clue.. I tried everything, including updating the "new driver" but it just doesn't seem to work.



Exchange it for a new unit if possible, I truly believe you've got a lemon. When they work (which seems to be usually), they just work, pretty much right out of the gate. In Mackie mode, they aren't very finicky.

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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/24 20:48:18 (permalink)
Behringer customer support is great, just call them up and they will give you a new one, I know from experience. I had a bad motor on one of my faders and they sent me a new one within 10 days. It was a good experience and its good to know they value their customers. also if there's an authorized dealer near you, they may have the exchange program and then you can just swap it at the store instead of mailing it.
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2007/04/25 01:42:29 (permalink)
Project 5 v2.5 was just released by cakewalk as a free update to my Project 5. It uses ACT and will accept the BCF2000 in mackie mode also. So I will connect my BCF tomorrow evening and see if I can set it up with ACT and the Generic mode to see what happens. This Project 5 v2.5 update is great.

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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2008/07/17 09:51:31 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic

Behringer customer support is great, just call them up and they will give you a new one, I know from experience. I had a bad motor on one of my faders and they sent me a new one within 10 days. It was a good experience and its good to know they value their customers. also if there's an authorized dealer near you, they may have the exchange program and then you can just swap it at the store instead of mailing it.
Cj



hi cj - sorry for bothering you with such an old thread - but since you seem to know much about the bcf2000 i just wanted to post my little question:
how many sets of 8 fadres can be aasigned to the bcf (or does it just depend on the mc-mode....what i want to know - hoe often can i switch the 8 banks? could i automate as many fader i want??? and how does the mc-mode behave if i insert new tracks (lets say in the middle of existing ones) does the inserted track show up as "last" fader or does it "push" all others one position back???

thanks a lot - would be a good fun to control ´volumes like back in the good ole days for just a few bucks
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RE: bcf2000 mackie emulation mode connection problem 2008/07/17 11:33:21 (permalink)
Hey info@tomflair.com - You can assign as many "sets of faders as you want". You can use the bank advance to move amongst 8-channel groupings, or you can "shift-advance" to move the bank a track t a time. For example, in bank mode, you would be on tracks 1-8, bank advance to 9-16, bank advance to 17-24, etc. Or you could "shift-advance" and the selected regions would be shifted by one track, so you'd be controlling tracks 1-8, 2-9, 3-10, etc.

You can automate as many faders as you want and they will animate according to which tracks are currently selected for the Mackie mode to control in Sonar. There is a display beside each track that indicates which channels on the BCF are controlling which Sonar tracks.

If you add a track in Sonar in the middle of an already selected group of tracks to control, the channel will be inserted into the middle and push the others out. The BCF is always linearly tied to the track order in Sonar.

I have a video that I'm working on that shows the installation of the BCF and the use in Sonar with the different modes, but I've not yet completed it. I think it coverws everything you'd want to know when starting out with it. Hopefully I can get it finished and posted so it can either help you make a decision or help you to use it if you've already purchased it. It is a little hard to get your head around at first, but pretty cool to have, nonetheless.

HTH
post edited by Blades - 2008/07/17 11:57:46

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